![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | → | Archive 15 |
It's not clear waht this sentece in the "other developments in the 1850s" section is trying to say. Clearly the clubs didn't merge with the rules. Did the Sheffield FA merge with the FA? Did the clubs simply adopt FA rules? JPD ( talk) 09:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I have serious problems with the paragraph as it stands. It implies that the Sheffield clubs played their own version of football for 20 years then swaped over to the FA rules. This is a gross inaccuracy. Many of the features of the Sheffield game were incorperated into the FA rules in the years leading up to 1978, including free kicks, crossbars, corners and the abolishment of hacking. While it is accurate to say that sheffield clubs adopted the FA rules in 1978, this ignores the previous 8 years of compremise between the 2 organisations. josh ( talk) 18:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Here's some passages from Football in Sheffield.
I haven't any reliable sources yet but it also seems that Sheffield Rules were also played by a number of teams outside south Yorkshire, which is why having the two codes became such a major issue. The article currently seriously underplays the influence of the Sheffield Rules. josh ( talk) 13:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw the edits changing Australian to Victorian and have warned the user about that. At this point I am going to Wikipedia:Assume good faith and take it no further unless they persist in the change. I would ask that nobody start putting sockpuppet notices on their talk/user page. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The creator of this article: Add this photo where you mention old Episkyros http://www.expertfootball.com/history/history/greek.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ellinas arkas ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 3 July 2006.
I have a doubt .i know this must be discussed numerous number of times over here .But since when has football (for the non American users) has ever been referred to as 'Association football'?According to the article , one is bound to think that if somebody goes to England and decides to see an Arsenal game , he will be watching an Association football game?
Come on guys , be less biased .i know there will be a lot of American users overe here in wikipedia which is why we see such an inherent bias in the article .But lets be realistic .You go to any part of the world and say you want to play football , it means only one kind of football and thats the one which had its world cup in Germany recently .
i would recommend a page like this for the article on football .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket
Especially this part 'For the insect, see Cricket (insect). For other uses, see Cricket (disambiguation)'
Change that sentence to 'For the American version, see football (America). For other meanings, see football (disambiguation)'
And talk about football/soccer for the rest of the article .
Hahahaha1 21:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Firstly where did you all get the idea that Association football is the correct official name for the sport .It might be the official name for that sport in America just like how in the rest of the world , the official name for the kind of football played in America is American football .
But obviously rest of the world is a bigger domain than America - so the general consensus should be what most people in the world feel .
Secondly people do refer to football as soccer in UK - no one is denying that .But if people say that they are going to watch a football match , it obviously means a soccer match - not a rugby match .
Just because a very small minority in the world feels football refers to some other sport- why should we insult the beautiful game by not devoting the page on football to football as the world knows it?
Majority of the world refers to Osama Bin Laden as a terrorist .But there are still many people in the world who refers to Osama as a freedom fighter .So does that mean we say Osama Bin Laden is a freedom fighter? No.
When you have 6 billion people in the world and more than 5 billion refer to football as the FIFA version which is a very very large majority (the fact that FIFa has more members than the UN and the fact that FIFA has the word football in it should justify that fact) , then shouldnt the general consensus swerve towards the majority .
Anyways nice to know that we have a lot of American users here.
Hahahaha1 20:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Who, in the progressive, rich, prosperous, enlightened and most intelligent, English speaking countries refers to soccer as football apart from the brainwashed and easily manipulated English and Scottish peasants? who having been oppressed by the class system for a hundred generations, mimick the absurd mutations of football and its playing, created by the FA lords and private school boys in 1863.
We, in the free nations of Australia, U.S.A., Canada, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, with real football, know what football is. Why should we allow this absurd English cultural imperialism to be forced onto us by a minority with no concept about football and possession?
If anything, in line with the majority of the world's Anglo-Celts who invented football, we should demand that soccer(that poofter's game) should be removed entirely from the football section, as only an insignificant rump of Anglo-Celtics would even consider that game lacking any real concept of possession or courage as football. Unlike Rugby or Australian Rules or American football or Gaelic football which the majority of Anglo-Celt English speakers could easily understand upon watching as a type of football, that aberration that can only be described as "Volley-kick-ball", a perversion of football to reinforce the class system. 05:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)~~
I notice that this style of football is not mentioned in the history section on football: (from Football in Scotland)
There was a distinct clash of styles in 1872 when Scotland drew 0-0 with England in the world's first football international. England played a 1-1-8 formation, in which whoever had the ball would dribble at the opponents and kick it up field before he was tackled. One of the seven forwards, following behind, would then chase the ball.
Scotland played with a 2-2-6 system, with three banks of forwards divided into pairs. Each pair of players - in defence, midfield and attack - knew who their partner was and their job was to pass to them when possible. This revolutionary tactic of 'passing and running' was known as the combination game
The rules of football in England were decided in the public schools where individualism was an important factor. In Scotland, it was a societal thing. There was no class bias in football and everyone grew up playing the game in the streets. Queen's Park were made up of 13 young men from between Aberdeen and Inverness who came to Glasgow to get white-collar work in banks and commerce. They formalised the team in July 1867, a time when Clydeside was producing one quarter of the world's ships and railways.
After the game, English players returned home to tell of Scotland's combination game. Soon hundreds of Scots - known as 'Scotch Professors' - were playing in England. Preston North End fielded eight Scots in one team while Liverpool were founded in 1892 with eleven Scots.
I'd like to add this somewhere as it seems like it was a fairly important development in the sport. Does anyone have any suggestions where it should go in the article? I would also like to see some references which are sorly missing. -- OoberMick 12:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 12:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Football to football (games). This should be moved to football (games) and football should become a disambiguation page referring to the various meanings of the word "football". Voortle 13:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if there had ever been any previous problems with inter-wikis, as Football on the English wiki is a page which focuses on a number of varieties, whereas a lot of other wikis would just have Football as purely soccer article, so has there ever been a mix-up between where the interwikis should goto? I'm just asking because I believe there is a problem like this at rugby football...in a lot of places around the world, rugby means rugby union. This is a problem because there are currently only 8 other wikis at rugby union, but well over 20 at rugby football. This cannot be right, as the Rugby (union) World Cup has double the amount rugby union has. I have checked a few out, and some of them are actually about rugby union not rugby football, but some do mention rugby league and rugby sevens at the bottom or something...so to get to the point, has there ever been any similar problems...and yeah. I may not have been totally clear as to what Iam saying, but I have posted this in other places, and no one really said anything, so if anyone knows how to deal with this kind of thing, any comments would be greatly appreciated. Cheers. Cvene64 15:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
French rl club that refers to itself as a football club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9zignan_Sangliers, might be relevant.
I'd just like to say that it was VERY difficult to find links to U.S. and Canadian football in this article. They were hidden in the first paragraph and in that section near the bottom or wherever it is. -- MPD01605 ( T / C) 05:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Bold text
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | → | Archive 15 |
It's not clear waht this sentece in the "other developments in the 1850s" section is trying to say. Clearly the clubs didn't merge with the rules. Did the Sheffield FA merge with the FA? Did the clubs simply adopt FA rules? JPD ( talk) 09:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I have serious problems with the paragraph as it stands. It implies that the Sheffield clubs played their own version of football for 20 years then swaped over to the FA rules. This is a gross inaccuracy. Many of the features of the Sheffield game were incorperated into the FA rules in the years leading up to 1978, including free kicks, crossbars, corners and the abolishment of hacking. While it is accurate to say that sheffield clubs adopted the FA rules in 1978, this ignores the previous 8 years of compremise between the 2 organisations. josh ( talk) 18:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Here's some passages from Football in Sheffield.
I haven't any reliable sources yet but it also seems that Sheffield Rules were also played by a number of teams outside south Yorkshire, which is why having the two codes became such a major issue. The article currently seriously underplays the influence of the Sheffield Rules. josh ( talk) 13:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw the edits changing Australian to Victorian and have warned the user about that. At this point I am going to Wikipedia:Assume good faith and take it no further unless they persist in the change. I would ask that nobody start putting sockpuppet notices on their talk/user page. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The creator of this article: Add this photo where you mention old Episkyros http://www.expertfootball.com/history/history/greek.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ellinas arkas ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 3 July 2006.
I have a doubt .i know this must be discussed numerous number of times over here .But since when has football (for the non American users) has ever been referred to as 'Association football'?According to the article , one is bound to think that if somebody goes to England and decides to see an Arsenal game , he will be watching an Association football game?
Come on guys , be less biased .i know there will be a lot of American users overe here in wikipedia which is why we see such an inherent bias in the article .But lets be realistic .You go to any part of the world and say you want to play football , it means only one kind of football and thats the one which had its world cup in Germany recently .
i would recommend a page like this for the article on football .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket
Especially this part 'For the insect, see Cricket (insect). For other uses, see Cricket (disambiguation)'
Change that sentence to 'For the American version, see football (America). For other meanings, see football (disambiguation)'
And talk about football/soccer for the rest of the article .
Hahahaha1 21:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Firstly where did you all get the idea that Association football is the correct official name for the sport .It might be the official name for that sport in America just like how in the rest of the world , the official name for the kind of football played in America is American football .
But obviously rest of the world is a bigger domain than America - so the general consensus should be what most people in the world feel .
Secondly people do refer to football as soccer in UK - no one is denying that .But if people say that they are going to watch a football match , it obviously means a soccer match - not a rugby match .
Just because a very small minority in the world feels football refers to some other sport- why should we insult the beautiful game by not devoting the page on football to football as the world knows it?
Majority of the world refers to Osama Bin Laden as a terrorist .But there are still many people in the world who refers to Osama as a freedom fighter .So does that mean we say Osama Bin Laden is a freedom fighter? No.
When you have 6 billion people in the world and more than 5 billion refer to football as the FIFA version which is a very very large majority (the fact that FIFa has more members than the UN and the fact that FIFA has the word football in it should justify that fact) , then shouldnt the general consensus swerve towards the majority .
Anyways nice to know that we have a lot of American users here.
Hahahaha1 20:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Who, in the progressive, rich, prosperous, enlightened and most intelligent, English speaking countries refers to soccer as football apart from the brainwashed and easily manipulated English and Scottish peasants? who having been oppressed by the class system for a hundred generations, mimick the absurd mutations of football and its playing, created by the FA lords and private school boys in 1863.
We, in the free nations of Australia, U.S.A., Canada, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, with real football, know what football is. Why should we allow this absurd English cultural imperialism to be forced onto us by a minority with no concept about football and possession?
If anything, in line with the majority of the world's Anglo-Celts who invented football, we should demand that soccer(that poofter's game) should be removed entirely from the football section, as only an insignificant rump of Anglo-Celtics would even consider that game lacking any real concept of possession or courage as football. Unlike Rugby or Australian Rules or American football or Gaelic football which the majority of Anglo-Celt English speakers could easily understand upon watching as a type of football, that aberration that can only be described as "Volley-kick-ball", a perversion of football to reinforce the class system. 05:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)~~
I notice that this style of football is not mentioned in the history section on football: (from Football in Scotland)
There was a distinct clash of styles in 1872 when Scotland drew 0-0 with England in the world's first football international. England played a 1-1-8 formation, in which whoever had the ball would dribble at the opponents and kick it up field before he was tackled. One of the seven forwards, following behind, would then chase the ball.
Scotland played with a 2-2-6 system, with three banks of forwards divided into pairs. Each pair of players - in defence, midfield and attack - knew who their partner was and their job was to pass to them when possible. This revolutionary tactic of 'passing and running' was known as the combination game
The rules of football in England were decided in the public schools where individualism was an important factor. In Scotland, it was a societal thing. There was no class bias in football and everyone grew up playing the game in the streets. Queen's Park were made up of 13 young men from between Aberdeen and Inverness who came to Glasgow to get white-collar work in banks and commerce. They formalised the team in July 1867, a time when Clydeside was producing one quarter of the world's ships and railways.
After the game, English players returned home to tell of Scotland's combination game. Soon hundreds of Scots - known as 'Scotch Professors' - were playing in England. Preston North End fielded eight Scots in one team while Liverpool were founded in 1892 with eleven Scots.
I'd like to add this somewhere as it seems like it was a fairly important development in the sport. Does anyone have any suggestions where it should go in the article? I would also like to see some references which are sorly missing. -- OoberMick 12:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 12:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Football to football (games). This should be moved to football (games) and football should become a disambiguation page referring to the various meanings of the word "football". Voortle 13:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I was wondering if there had ever been any previous problems with inter-wikis, as Football on the English wiki is a page which focuses on a number of varieties, whereas a lot of other wikis would just have Football as purely soccer article, so has there ever been a mix-up between where the interwikis should goto? I'm just asking because I believe there is a problem like this at rugby football...in a lot of places around the world, rugby means rugby union. This is a problem because there are currently only 8 other wikis at rugby union, but well over 20 at rugby football. This cannot be right, as the Rugby (union) World Cup has double the amount rugby union has. I have checked a few out, and some of them are actually about rugby union not rugby football, but some do mention rugby league and rugby sevens at the bottom or something...so to get to the point, has there ever been any similar problems...and yeah. I may not have been totally clear as to what Iam saying, but I have posted this in other places, and no one really said anything, so if anyone knows how to deal with this kind of thing, any comments would be greatly appreciated. Cheers. Cvene64 15:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
French rl club that refers to itself as a football club http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9zignan_Sangliers, might be relevant.
I'd just like to say that it was VERY difficult to find links to U.S. and Canadian football in this article. They were hidden in the first paragraph and in that section near the bottom or wherever it is. -- MPD01605 ( T / C) 05:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Bold text