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"In the United Kingdom, and in most other English-speaking countries, "football" usually refers to Association football."
After listing Canada, USA, New Zealand and Australia, and explaining that none of these countries refer to soccer as football, the above statement seems to be blatantly incorrect. Where are all these 'other' english speaking countries?
Oh and this...
"Of the 48 national FIFA affiliates in which English is an official or primary language"
Is a cop out.
Firstly, they can get away with referring to all EU countries, for instance, as english speaking countries because the EU official language is English. That doesn't make them english speaking countries.
And Finally, there are 3 types of lies. White lies, big lies and statistics! The above statistic is a carefully designed to make it look as though most of the english speaking world don't use the word soccer. How about a stat showing the sum of the populations of all english speaking countries (countries who's people speak english primarily) who use the word soccer in comparison to those that don't?
Secondly the same paragraph seems to ignore the fact that Australian people use the term 'soccer' and so do Irish people.
No. Because i'm Australian and therefore don't follow the sport or call it football.
>Depends where you are in each country
Not in Australia. The vast majority of people who attend soccer matches in Australia are immigrants or the children of immigrants. No matter where you are in Australia, Soccer is not football.
I lived in Australia for 25 years of my life and have not once heard anybody refer to soccer as football unless they were explaining the fact that in England it is called football.
Most football people in Australia do call the sport football, not soccer. I hear it called football all of the time. This will all be irrelevant soon as the national association is now called Football Federation Australia and most of the major media outlets are falling into line.
I made a change "In UK, and in most other English speaking countries 'football' refers to association football" to "... and in most countries not otherwise mentioned here..." because otherwise the section contradicts itself. I'm assuming that what I wrote is what the original author actually meant. DJ Clayworth 17:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Most football people in Australia do call the sport football, not soccer. I hear it called football all of the time. This will all be irrelevant soon as the national association is now called Football Federation Australia and most of the major media outlets are falling into line.
This is a debate I've heard through-out the world where more than one football code is played. To clarify the Irish POV, the word football is used contextually. If for example, I where to say "I've got football practice tonight" the people I'd be talking to would either know that gaelic training for me is on a Friday or would ask if it was soccer. Usually when comparing sports the terms gaelic, soccer or rugby are used. To contradict someone above, Gaelic football is often refered to as GAA, pronounced as in the ga in gag; there is no confucion with Hurling. Very rarely is rugby called football, though you may describe a ruby player as a good footballer. Soccer is only used to differentiate it from gaelic. The other "foreign" codes are usually given their full titles like American Football and Aussie Rules. Afn 10:35, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Added a minor anecdote in the "reform of american football" section that i originally learned from an english professor and harvard alum teacher of mine and provided an external link to a harvard website to site. Unsure if thats the purpose of external links but i felt that the note itself was relevant and factual.
A wikiportal ( Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Association football) has been started by Johan Elisson. -- Phoenix2 21:12, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I just ran a google query on "Ameriball". None of the hits returned in the first 2 pages pointed to this sport.
I think that qualifies as "nobody refers to it that way".
-- Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:05, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I just ran this [1] on Dictionary.com
-- Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
The convention decided that, in the US game, four touchdowns would be worth one goal; in the event of a tied score, a goal converted from a touchdown would take precedence over four touch-downs. Clarify by what converted means... - Iopq 11:56, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know why, but this article seems to be underseige by vandals atm. Every day I check my watchlist someone is reverting vandalism. What's going on? Does this article need to be protected for a few days? Jooler 23:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
A query regarding the most recent edit: is it really the case that the word "footy" is commonly used in the USA to mean only Australian rules? And not other codes? Grant65 | Talk 11:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Football incorporates an enormous number of sports, which can be extremely confusing due to the country where the word is used. In the US, it refers to American football; in Europe and South America it refers to soccer; in Australia it refers to Australian rules football. I think the content should be merged into different articles, and the page should be deleted and replaced with a disambiguation. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I've read this thing about football, being originally called that because it is played on foot rather than with the foot before, but frankly I don't believe it, and I think I may have even read something refuting it. Any reliable source for this? Jooler 07:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
FOOT-BALL.
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"In the United Kingdom, and in most other English-speaking countries, "football" usually refers to Association football."
After listing Canada, USA, New Zealand and Australia, and explaining that none of these countries refer to soccer as football, the above statement seems to be blatantly incorrect. Where are all these 'other' english speaking countries?
Oh and this...
"Of the 48 national FIFA affiliates in which English is an official or primary language"
Is a cop out.
Firstly, they can get away with referring to all EU countries, for instance, as english speaking countries because the EU official language is English. That doesn't make them english speaking countries.
And Finally, there are 3 types of lies. White lies, big lies and statistics! The above statistic is a carefully designed to make it look as though most of the english speaking world don't use the word soccer. How about a stat showing the sum of the populations of all english speaking countries (countries who's people speak english primarily) who use the word soccer in comparison to those that don't?
Secondly the same paragraph seems to ignore the fact that Australian people use the term 'soccer' and so do Irish people.
No. Because i'm Australian and therefore don't follow the sport or call it football.
>Depends where you are in each country
Not in Australia. The vast majority of people who attend soccer matches in Australia are immigrants or the children of immigrants. No matter where you are in Australia, Soccer is not football.
I lived in Australia for 25 years of my life and have not once heard anybody refer to soccer as football unless they were explaining the fact that in England it is called football.
Most football people in Australia do call the sport football, not soccer. I hear it called football all of the time. This will all be irrelevant soon as the national association is now called Football Federation Australia and most of the major media outlets are falling into line.
I made a change "In UK, and in most other English speaking countries 'football' refers to association football" to "... and in most countries not otherwise mentioned here..." because otherwise the section contradicts itself. I'm assuming that what I wrote is what the original author actually meant. DJ Clayworth 17:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Most football people in Australia do call the sport football, not soccer. I hear it called football all of the time. This will all be irrelevant soon as the national association is now called Football Federation Australia and most of the major media outlets are falling into line.
This is a debate I've heard through-out the world where more than one football code is played. To clarify the Irish POV, the word football is used contextually. If for example, I where to say "I've got football practice tonight" the people I'd be talking to would either know that gaelic training for me is on a Friday or would ask if it was soccer. Usually when comparing sports the terms gaelic, soccer or rugby are used. To contradict someone above, Gaelic football is often refered to as GAA, pronounced as in the ga in gag; there is no confucion with Hurling. Very rarely is rugby called football, though you may describe a ruby player as a good footballer. Soccer is only used to differentiate it from gaelic. The other "foreign" codes are usually given their full titles like American Football and Aussie Rules. Afn 10:35, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Added a minor anecdote in the "reform of american football" section that i originally learned from an english professor and harvard alum teacher of mine and provided an external link to a harvard website to site. Unsure if thats the purpose of external links but i felt that the note itself was relevant and factual.
A wikiportal ( Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Association football) has been started by Johan Elisson. -- Phoenix2 21:12, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I just ran a google query on "Ameriball". None of the hits returned in the first 2 pages pointed to this sport.
I think that qualifies as "nobody refers to it that way".
-- Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:05, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I just ran this [1] on Dictionary.com
-- Sebastian Kessel Talk 18:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
The convention decided that, in the US game, four touchdowns would be worth one goal; in the event of a tied score, a goal converted from a touchdown would take precedence over four touch-downs. Clarify by what converted means... - Iopq 11:56, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't know why, but this article seems to be underseige by vandals atm. Every day I check my watchlist someone is reverting vandalism. What's going on? Does this article need to be protected for a few days? Jooler 23:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
A query regarding the most recent edit: is it really the case that the word "footy" is commonly used in the USA to mean only Australian rules? And not other codes? Grant65 | Talk 11:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Football incorporates an enormous number of sports, which can be extremely confusing due to the country where the word is used. In the US, it refers to American football; in Europe and South America it refers to soccer; in Australia it refers to Australian rules football. I think the content should be merged into different articles, and the page should be deleted and replaced with a disambiguation. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I've read this thing about football, being originally called that because it is played on foot rather than with the foot before, but frankly I don't believe it, and I think I may have even read something refuting it. Any reliable source for this? Jooler 07:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
FOOT-BALL.