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This page is quite US-centric. Definitely needs reference to the Levellers - they triggered a huge wave of interest in folk-punk in the late '80s/'90s in the UK. Shall I add a reference? Shinji nishizono
I don't think I've seen the anarchy heart used by any other folk punk bands except Bombs and Beating Hearts. I know we did not invent it. I'm just saying I don't see how it is a significant symbol in folk punk.
also, I would like to see more about Patrik Fitzgerald and some other early folk punks. I put that he may be the first folk punk, just because I thought it was worth being in there. but i do not like it's positioning in the article, and I think there should be more to the origins of the genre included. Bombsandbeatinghearts 17:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The new Disarm! Disarm! layout makes use of the Anarchy Heart, and nearly all the folk punk kids I know (including myself) do as well. Wishing Well folks tend to, though our website doesn't show it. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 08:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I was always told that it was the image used for FolkAnarchism, from the likes of Crimethinc and the Curious George Brigade. I could be wrong. I originally included the A heart because I had seen it used by local groups and bands, most of which were members of or affiliated with Plan-it-X.
Finding the origins of the "anarchy heart" seems futile but, wherever it comes from, as someone who tours regularly within "folk punk" circles nationally in the United States I can assure you that is has gained popularity as symbolism among members of that scene. I am certain the image predates folk punk, as it started gaining popularity as a patch and stencil graffiti image in my town (Brattleboro, VT) before acoustic or folk punk musicians were touring through it regularly. Personally I find the image to be pretty silly, but it is part of the aesthetics of the scene documented in this article. (Pat The Bunny) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.94.72 ( talk) 21:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
how can a folk-punk page not mention the pogues? possibly in my opinion the most famous punk/folk band. is there any criteria i dont know of? just curious DR Sloganx
Spoonboy does not consider himself folk. He is acoustic pop-punk.
as far as i know, patrik fitzgerald was the firt guy to really do folk punk. someone took that out of the article. can someone put it back in and do a good job about it? maybe in an origins section?
all i have is his greatest hits on Cherry Red Records which says the dates that they were all recorded and they are very early. like 77-78. um. can't find much about him on the internet. his site right now is myspace.com/patrikfitzgerald
This article contains far too many instances of external links appearing directly in running text; this is not proper Wikipedia format. Links in the body of the article are to be internal links to other Wikipedia articles. If a band named in the article isn't notable enough to have its own article, then it isn't notable enough to be named in this article — especially not when the article has somehow managed to completely ignore more patently obvious notables such as Phranc or The Weakerthans. Bearcat 10:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
For the record, Team Losing is not from Greensburg, PA. They're from Lancaster, PA, almost 600 miles away from Greensburg. I have a feeling someone wrote that from Greensburg, as Greensburg is in the middle of nowhere and not a good representative town of the state of Pennsylvania. I'm changing that right now. Wesweaver 01:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I know we all want to see our favorite bands on Wikipedia, but when there are entire blocks of text that are just lists of bands, it's tedious to read and not very informative in terms of the actual genealogy and state of folk punk as a whole. I propose creating a list of folk-punk bands elsewhere, linking to it, and deleting any reference to a band, collective, or label that isn't described in at least a modicum of detail. Unless anyone objects, I'll do this in a few days. Pstinchcombe 00:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I cleaned this article up significantly. It still needs alot of sourcing (although much of the article seems to speak for itself). Regardless, I'd be happy to discuss the changes I made, although I do want to be clear on one point: This is not a place for you to list your favorite bands. I'm sorry, I wish it were, I'd list all my favorites. But honestly, the article looked like crap before the clean up. Now it's small, concise, and readable - more importantly, it isn't full of bands who do not meet WP:N. -- Cheeser1 04:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Why isnt riot folk (www.riotfolk.org) mentioned in this article? theyre one of the largest and most important groups of folk punk musicians around right now. almost everyone who considers themselves a folk punker knows and loves riot folk. i think riot folk should definitely be mentioned in the article. (it should also have its own wikipedia article, it used to i dont know what happened) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.199.78.109 ( talk)
Chumbawamba, The Mob, The Astronauts, Blyth Power, The Apostles, Karma Sutra, Ian Stuart/Skrewdriver, TV Smith.
Agreed? Stutley ( talk) 08:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Someone mentions that the page is US-centric. I disagree. There is no mention of US pioneers like Violent Femmes, who preceded the Pogues, and drew from American folk music, country and western, and blues. This article seens quite one-dimensional just touching on the UK contribution to the genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maicocpa ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
How many kinds of punk music are there? Let me count: pop punk, cyberpunk, hardcore punk, garage punk, proto-punk, Christian punk, celtic punk, post-punk, anarcho-punk, daft punk, ska punk, dance-punk, art punk, glam punk, crust punk, horror punk, punk jazz, punk metal, nazi punk, Punk pathetique (Ha!), noise punk, cowpunk, Guerrilla punk...
...and now folk punk. It's pretty clear that the word "punk" as it applies to musical genres is meaningless. And this is especially true of "folk punk." The British rock press invented this term in the 1980s, back when it applies the word "punk" to just about everything. But can you really bridge folk and punk music? I don't think so. This genre doesn't really exist. This article should be deleted. 207.158.4.236 ( talk) 18:22, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
a lot of this only seems to have a tertiary relevance to punk/folk. Edward II(band) and Oysterband in particular, didn't sound like, dress like, or hang out with punks. their art wasn't punk. they weren't widely listened to by punk communities/scenes then or now, these artists more belong in world music or folk rock pages with artists like steeleye span etc.. Punk doesn't just mean "with attitude". This isn't relevant and I'll delete them again soon if nobody has anything else to say about it. Carrionist ( talk) 21:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
you haven't seen a guitar, banjo, washboard, and washtub bass play punk rock songs on a street corner?!? you guys fail.. GO OUTSIDE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.173.112.106 ( talk) 13:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Regarding the change from The Raspberries to The Violent Femmes as the article's opening example of a burgeoning folk-punk band for the United States: Temporally folk punk is considered to be "born" in the late seventies and early 80s (generally designated as early 80s), making the Pogues an excellent British example who formed in 1982 (Shane MacGowan, of course, was active in the punk scene throughout the seventies, with bands such as the Nipple Erectors/The Nips and others) but The Raspberries are a terrible example for the US, who were a band only active in the early seventies (disbanded in '75 and reunited from 2004-2005), so they are not only temporally a bad example but moreover they were mostly known as a somewhat "mod" pop-rock band whose influences were much more mainstream to classify as folk-punk, especially given the time they were active and and are still considered to be far too pop-rock to even be classified as folk-punk, let alone act as a primary example for popularizing the genre, if only one band is to be listed in the opening of the article as an example of popularizing early U.S. folk-punk. The violent Femmes are used as the first example in the 1980s section, which is very appropriate as they are not only categorized as folk-punk but are often considered by many to be "the fathers" of folk punk, along with the Pogues, so are an appropriate correction from the bad choice of The Raspberries. If it is consensus that it should be changed to reflect an earlier band, I really don't care, as long as it not be changed back to The Raspberries!!! Soco_79 —Preceding undated comment added 01:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
The anti-folk page needs a lot of work. I see enough similarities/crossover in the genre's to place them under one article, folk punk being the bigger genre. Maybe at the top put (also known as rogue folk), anti-folk, cowpunk etc.). I would also import all of the bands, descriptions, etc. from the Anti-Folk Article. -- Wesborden ( talk) 08:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Robvanvee I don't get the issue with the image the demonstration is a popular folk punk demonstration which anarchists get together on a farm and have a festival it screams folk punk. Images don't need sources if you know it's obvious, you don't need to cite the sky is blue. Vallee01 ( talk) 06:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
"the Moldy Peaches" (e. g.) looks stupid from my point of view. I would prefer "The Moldy Peaches". 46.114.141.212 ( talk) 00:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
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I've thought for a while about mentioning in the page how the term "folkpunk" is sort of one label that encompasses two different genres- acoustic (mostly American) folkpunk and electric (mostly European) folkpunk. Acoustic folkpunk would be bands such as Pat the Bunny and his projects, Days N' Daze, etc., mostly from America, which play unamplified music in the singer-songwriter tradition that expresses punk themes and values (similar to acoustic punk rock). It rarely interacts with traditional folk music, but is heavily influenced by alternative country and such. Electric folkpunk would be bands such as The Dreadnoughts, Flogging Molly, Kultur Shock, etc., mostly from Europe and Canada, which play traditional folk music (and songs heavily influenced by traditional folk music) in an amplified punk rock style. This category includes the celtic punk and gypsy punk, which often have very little in common with the acoustic folkpunk style of Pat the Bunny for instance. In short, acoustic folkpunk is playing punk music in a folk style and electric folkpunk is playing folk music in a punk style.
This delineation is something I see being worth mentioning, because even though they are both mixes of folk and punk music, they are very different styles. I haven't found sources to support this yet but I am 100% confident that they exist. What are people's thoughts on this? Zhuvelo ( talk) 21:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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any ideas?
This page is quite US-centric. Definitely needs reference to the Levellers - they triggered a huge wave of interest in folk-punk in the late '80s/'90s in the UK. Shall I add a reference? Shinji nishizono
I don't think I've seen the anarchy heart used by any other folk punk bands except Bombs and Beating Hearts. I know we did not invent it. I'm just saying I don't see how it is a significant symbol in folk punk.
also, I would like to see more about Patrik Fitzgerald and some other early folk punks. I put that he may be the first folk punk, just because I thought it was worth being in there. but i do not like it's positioning in the article, and I think there should be more to the origins of the genre included. Bombsandbeatinghearts 17:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The new Disarm! Disarm! layout makes use of the Anarchy Heart, and nearly all the folk punk kids I know (including myself) do as well. Wishing Well folks tend to, though our website doesn't show it. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 08:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I was always told that it was the image used for FolkAnarchism, from the likes of Crimethinc and the Curious George Brigade. I could be wrong. I originally included the A heart because I had seen it used by local groups and bands, most of which were members of or affiliated with Plan-it-X.
Finding the origins of the "anarchy heart" seems futile but, wherever it comes from, as someone who tours regularly within "folk punk" circles nationally in the United States I can assure you that is has gained popularity as symbolism among members of that scene. I am certain the image predates folk punk, as it started gaining popularity as a patch and stencil graffiti image in my town (Brattleboro, VT) before acoustic or folk punk musicians were touring through it regularly. Personally I find the image to be pretty silly, but it is part of the aesthetics of the scene documented in this article. (Pat The Bunny) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.94.72 ( talk) 21:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
how can a folk-punk page not mention the pogues? possibly in my opinion the most famous punk/folk band. is there any criteria i dont know of? just curious DR Sloganx
Spoonboy does not consider himself folk. He is acoustic pop-punk.
as far as i know, patrik fitzgerald was the firt guy to really do folk punk. someone took that out of the article. can someone put it back in and do a good job about it? maybe in an origins section?
all i have is his greatest hits on Cherry Red Records which says the dates that they were all recorded and they are very early. like 77-78. um. can't find much about him on the internet. his site right now is myspace.com/patrikfitzgerald
This article contains far too many instances of external links appearing directly in running text; this is not proper Wikipedia format. Links in the body of the article are to be internal links to other Wikipedia articles. If a band named in the article isn't notable enough to have its own article, then it isn't notable enough to be named in this article — especially not when the article has somehow managed to completely ignore more patently obvious notables such as Phranc or The Weakerthans. Bearcat 10:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
For the record, Team Losing is not from Greensburg, PA. They're from Lancaster, PA, almost 600 miles away from Greensburg. I have a feeling someone wrote that from Greensburg, as Greensburg is in the middle of nowhere and not a good representative town of the state of Pennsylvania. I'm changing that right now. Wesweaver 01:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I know we all want to see our favorite bands on Wikipedia, but when there are entire blocks of text that are just lists of bands, it's tedious to read and not very informative in terms of the actual genealogy and state of folk punk as a whole. I propose creating a list of folk-punk bands elsewhere, linking to it, and deleting any reference to a band, collective, or label that isn't described in at least a modicum of detail. Unless anyone objects, I'll do this in a few days. Pstinchcombe 00:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
I cleaned this article up significantly. It still needs alot of sourcing (although much of the article seems to speak for itself). Regardless, I'd be happy to discuss the changes I made, although I do want to be clear on one point: This is not a place for you to list your favorite bands. I'm sorry, I wish it were, I'd list all my favorites. But honestly, the article looked like crap before the clean up. Now it's small, concise, and readable - more importantly, it isn't full of bands who do not meet WP:N. -- Cheeser1 04:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Why isnt riot folk (www.riotfolk.org) mentioned in this article? theyre one of the largest and most important groups of folk punk musicians around right now. almost everyone who considers themselves a folk punker knows and loves riot folk. i think riot folk should definitely be mentioned in the article. (it should also have its own wikipedia article, it used to i dont know what happened) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.199.78.109 ( talk)
Chumbawamba, The Mob, The Astronauts, Blyth Power, The Apostles, Karma Sutra, Ian Stuart/Skrewdriver, TV Smith.
Agreed? Stutley ( talk) 08:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Someone mentions that the page is US-centric. I disagree. There is no mention of US pioneers like Violent Femmes, who preceded the Pogues, and drew from American folk music, country and western, and blues. This article seens quite one-dimensional just touching on the UK contribution to the genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maicocpa ( talk • contribs) 17:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
How many kinds of punk music are there? Let me count: pop punk, cyberpunk, hardcore punk, garage punk, proto-punk, Christian punk, celtic punk, post-punk, anarcho-punk, daft punk, ska punk, dance-punk, art punk, glam punk, crust punk, horror punk, punk jazz, punk metal, nazi punk, Punk pathetique (Ha!), noise punk, cowpunk, Guerrilla punk...
...and now folk punk. It's pretty clear that the word "punk" as it applies to musical genres is meaningless. And this is especially true of "folk punk." The British rock press invented this term in the 1980s, back when it applies the word "punk" to just about everything. But can you really bridge folk and punk music? I don't think so. This genre doesn't really exist. This article should be deleted. 207.158.4.236 ( talk) 18:22, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
a lot of this only seems to have a tertiary relevance to punk/folk. Edward II(band) and Oysterband in particular, didn't sound like, dress like, or hang out with punks. their art wasn't punk. they weren't widely listened to by punk communities/scenes then or now, these artists more belong in world music or folk rock pages with artists like steeleye span etc.. Punk doesn't just mean "with attitude". This isn't relevant and I'll delete them again soon if nobody has anything else to say about it. Carrionist ( talk) 21:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
you haven't seen a guitar, banjo, washboard, and washtub bass play punk rock songs on a street corner?!? you guys fail.. GO OUTSIDE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.173.112.106 ( talk) 13:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Regarding the change from The Raspberries to The Violent Femmes as the article's opening example of a burgeoning folk-punk band for the United States: Temporally folk punk is considered to be "born" in the late seventies and early 80s (generally designated as early 80s), making the Pogues an excellent British example who formed in 1982 (Shane MacGowan, of course, was active in the punk scene throughout the seventies, with bands such as the Nipple Erectors/The Nips and others) but The Raspberries are a terrible example for the US, who were a band only active in the early seventies (disbanded in '75 and reunited from 2004-2005), so they are not only temporally a bad example but moreover they were mostly known as a somewhat "mod" pop-rock band whose influences were much more mainstream to classify as folk-punk, especially given the time they were active and and are still considered to be far too pop-rock to even be classified as folk-punk, let alone act as a primary example for popularizing the genre, if only one band is to be listed in the opening of the article as an example of popularizing early U.S. folk-punk. The violent Femmes are used as the first example in the 1980s section, which is very appropriate as they are not only categorized as folk-punk but are often considered by many to be "the fathers" of folk punk, along with the Pogues, so are an appropriate correction from the bad choice of The Raspberries. If it is consensus that it should be changed to reflect an earlier band, I really don't care, as long as it not be changed back to The Raspberries!!! Soco_79 —Preceding undated comment added 01:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
The anti-folk page needs a lot of work. I see enough similarities/crossover in the genre's to place them under one article, folk punk being the bigger genre. Maybe at the top put (also known as rogue folk), anti-folk, cowpunk etc.). I would also import all of the bands, descriptions, etc. from the Anti-Folk Article. -- Wesborden ( talk) 08:11, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
Robvanvee I don't get the issue with the image the demonstration is a popular folk punk demonstration which anarchists get together on a farm and have a festival it screams folk punk. Images don't need sources if you know it's obvious, you don't need to cite the sky is blue. Vallee01 ( talk) 06:39, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
"the Moldy Peaches" (e. g.) looks stupid from my point of view. I would prefer "The Moldy Peaches". 46.114.141.212 ( talk) 00:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 29 August 2022 and 12 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
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— Assignment last updated by Other Friend, Different Hat ( talk) 02:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
I've thought for a while about mentioning in the page how the term "folkpunk" is sort of one label that encompasses two different genres- acoustic (mostly American) folkpunk and electric (mostly European) folkpunk. Acoustic folkpunk would be bands such as Pat the Bunny and his projects, Days N' Daze, etc., mostly from America, which play unamplified music in the singer-songwriter tradition that expresses punk themes and values (similar to acoustic punk rock). It rarely interacts with traditional folk music, but is heavily influenced by alternative country and such. Electric folkpunk would be bands such as The Dreadnoughts, Flogging Molly, Kultur Shock, etc., mostly from Europe and Canada, which play traditional folk music (and songs heavily influenced by traditional folk music) in an amplified punk rock style. This category includes the celtic punk and gypsy punk, which often have very little in common with the acoustic folkpunk style of Pat the Bunny for instance. In short, acoustic folkpunk is playing punk music in a folk style and electric folkpunk is playing folk music in a punk style.
This delineation is something I see being worth mentioning, because even though they are both mixes of folk and punk music, they are very different styles. I haven't found sources to support this yet but I am 100% confident that they exist. What are people's thoughts on this? Zhuvelo ( talk) 21:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)