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Reverting addition of "Josh Ladd" ...again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.182.9 ( talk) 21:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Reverting 81.205.28.135's 9 December 2004 edit:
"..., but, alcohol remains the #1 rape drug"
Be that as it may, that statistic is a non-sequitur here. It would be better suited for a " Date Rape" article.
I think Roche has since added something to the pill form that makes it so the fluid turns blue when you put it in, to help prevent it in facilitation with date rape. Nathan J. Yoder 19:26, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
The article lists Chemical Side Effects including: "Unwanted intercourse in the vaginal region, and all other forms of sodomization" Ummmm, i don't know much about Flunitrazepam and am no pharmacologist, but I would seriously want to see a source listing that as a side effect of the drug before putting it on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.104.97.194 ( talk • contribs) 12:25, November 8, 2007
How about a section on drugs that can be used to counteract its effects and thereby avert date rape -- even if it's to say there aren't any? -- EB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.134.167.78 ( talk) 00:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Something should be said about its legal uses.
Where is it legal, and what is the scheduling of it?
This article seems to focus almost entirely on its legal status in the United States.
Be that as it may, that statistic is a non-sequitur here. It would be better suited for a "Date Rape" article. Kalmia 06:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Roche has since added something to the pill form that makes it so the fluid turns blue when you put it in, to help prevent it in facilitation with date rape. Nathan J. Yoder 19:26, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
A dye has been added to make drinks change colour, as well as taste salty. It is difficult to impossible to use as a date-rape drug unless a)your "victim" doesn't have taste buds, and b)doesn't even glance at the drink before taking it. This makes it very hard for those of us who are being treated for genuine medical conditions with this drug - it is in the same class as Morphine in Australia, and doctors are very hesitant to prescribe it - I have confirmed with a doctor that it was only classed the same as Morphine due to its notoriety.
The reason the above is not true is because of the popularity of cola. From what I can gather the dye added is deap blue. In clubs it's very dark generally so cola looks exactly the same as cola with blue dye. The strong taste of phoric acid masks any salty taste, as will the alcoholic drink.
It's a sad fact but some people will take what they cant have
Blonde2max
19:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
This article should be rewritten.
>It would be better suited for a " Date Rape" article.
I agree
21 April 2006
There have been rumours that rohypnol sterlizes the victim permanently... what is the real scene?
Pure speculation, accoarding to my doctor.
from what i can gather the only diffrence between the two is one flourine atom. What are the diffrencies between the two that give such a diffrent effect as a date rape drug.
MEDIA HYPE. America never calls them Nitrazepam or Flunitrazepam or Diazepam - it's all brand names, which the consumer doesn't even know belong to one family. More to the point, there are plenty of medications that produce near-instant incapacitation or loss of consciousness when mixed with any quantity of alcohol whatsoever, and they're *NOT* benzodiazepines. Or even sedatives. I'd name a few particularly notorious substances, but I don't want to tip off our dear wannabe-rapists and poisoners out there. Eastern Europeans over the age of 80, from law enforcement backgrounds, who have been to rehab, or who have run afoul of prostitutes with sticky fingers will most definitely know of the most famous one, but there are far more. 208.127.80.59 ( talk) 11:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The article states that flunitrazepam was "never approved for medical use in the United States", and immediately afterwards states that it was temporarily placed in "Schedule IV" and was then moved to "Schedule III". Supposedly, it is *considered* for Schedule I classification. Please note that only substances which have no recognized medical use by the FDA are placed in Schedule I, therefore, if flunitrazepam "was never approved for medical use in the United States", it could *never* have been classified in any schedule lower than Schedule I, and it would federally be Schedule I at this time (which the article implies is not the case).
Conclusion: unless someone can cite that either:
I will *remove* the passage which states that flunitrazepam "...was never approved for medical use...", as this sentence renders the entire paragraph self-contradictory --( Patrick 01:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
I suggest there is a difference between "FDA approval" for a drug and "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States" (see Controlled Substances Act#Schedule I drugs). Is the latter criteria even decided by the FDA (as you suggest)? Think for example, about drugs that have no licence for children (yet are used/prescribed for such) or drugs that are licenced elsewhere (e.g. Europe, Mexico, Canada) but not (yet) in the US. Colin° Talk 08:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
In October 2005 I was prescribed flunitrazepam, under the name Rohypnol, with the Roche logo on the blister pack. This was in Japan, and I while I assume the 2mg pills are still manufactured, I cannot find any verification of this. It is also available in Japan in 1mg tablets under the name Silece(サイレース), manufactured by Eisai Co., Ltd.
Can it make the user forget memory from the period immediately before the pill was taken? I ask because this is how it is used on Arrested Development.
So under Anastasia or in cases of duster huffing and otherwise and extreme drunkenness who the hell are we or what exactly happens in memory blackouts and how long can they last? Is the men in black involved? Carsoncannon ( talk) 03:48, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Can I decide and Carry out whatever operations I imagine? Shouldn't I be able to set up npc copies of individuals or slight alterations to not infringe on personal likleyness? Carsoncannon ( talk) 03:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it like a deep fake or like do we no clip out of reality into the car realm? Carsoncannon ( talk) 04:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Or is it like dajavu back to the past when we dreamed about the future? Carsoncannon ( talk) 04:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Is there a drug or medical device that produces these effects? Carsoncannon ( talk) 04:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
For the record I mean cat realm or cat city not car realm but I guess either are appropriate or fuck ford can I trade my piece of shit van into or repair it into a my neighbor Totoro cat bus? I mean as far as vehicles and what's possible with VR technology and robotics this van is absolutely not worth $30000 grand or whatever the remaining payments are unless it comes or I can repair it's lack of a complimentary sexy drivers assistant that actually fucks you or lets you fuck her and supplies drugs on demand then fuck you ford motor company your now in debt to me for 13.50 bitch pay up or watch ads' Carsoncannon ( talk) 05:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
same as this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Date_rape_drug#weasel_words...
^^^POV warrior
Why is the neutrality disputed when you clarified with your citation that alcohol is much more commonly used in date rape than pharmaceuticals? Nobody disputed your citation. I removed the tags from the article as there is no dispute and as far as I am concerned your citation and data you added is correct and a productive addition to the article.-- Literaturegeek | T@1k? 13:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Flunitrazepam is cheap. Now the drug used to facilitate sexual assault is Seroquel. Take a look at the price. Pharmaceutical industry doesn't care about sexual assault or health. They want money. So, Seroquel instead of Rohypnol.-- Justana ( talk) 01:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
The section "Sleep depth" says that flunitrazepam causes a decrease in delta sleep. It also states that an increase in delta sleep causes poorer sleep quality. Therefore, the statement that flunitrazepam decreases sleep quality seems to contradict the other information in this section. Tones of Proudness ( talk) 18:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
It should have said increaded delta activity reflects better sleep. Someone must have altered the text or else the original author (might have been me can't remember) miswrote the sentence. I reread over the reference and fixed the sentence accordingly and removed the banner.-- Literaturegeek | T@1k? 19:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
At the end of the lead is the following sentence:
I find this ambiguous. Taken literally, it means 1% of all date rape cases, regardless of whether any drug was used. Since the vast majority of date rapes don't involve a secret incapacitating drug, 1% could actually be seen as a very high number (if you are just comparing to levels of similar purpose drugs). And, does the source actually limit itself to "date rape" as opposed to "sexual assault" which the title of the source implies. Is the source used just for the 1% figure, or is also used for the opinion that this is a small level, and popular belief is contradicted. -- Rob ( talk) 17:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
OTHER substances are used FAR more often and to greater effect. It's 50% the media being idiots, and 50% conscientious folks not wanting to give perverts, muggers & poisoners info about far more accessible, effective, and dangerous incapacition agents... also, the western media hasn't really caught on (or doesn't wish to acknowledge) that the "spiked drink, unwitting unconscious party taken advantage of" scenario of date night actually most often occurs with a male victim, a prostitute or female criminal posing as a potential one-night-stand doing the spiking, and the John's wallet and valuables the target. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.80.59 ( talk) 12:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I have looked most places and have been unable to find an answer to this question. Is there anything that will counteract the effects of flunitrazepam after it has been ingested? Many date rapes go unreported so the actual statistics are quite a bit higher than given in reports. The "Blue" color is actually noticeable in most colas and semi-dark soft drinks as it changes the appearance and either makes the drink seem much darker or it gives the drink a bluish hue. however there is always a salty after taste to the soft drink but in alcohol it is much less noticeable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdtheAminal ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The article barely talks about the therapeutic uses of Flunitrazepam, except for a single sentence in the lead. This is something that is in dire need of correction. I have reassessed the article from a B-class to a C-class article for this reason.
Acebulf ( talk) 05:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
"While 80% of flunitrazepam that is taken orally is absorbed...". This does not agree with the infobox. Scott McNay ( talk) 04:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
"Flunitrazepam and other sedative hypnotic drugs are detected frequently...". And how often is frequently"? 5%? 95%? If the source material uses that word and no better source is available, then please put it in quotes to indicate that the source, not the article editor, is vague. Scott McNay ( talk) 05:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
"About 20 years ago...". Surely that depends upon when the sentence was written, and was not intended to be a floating date. Scott McNay ( talk) 05:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
roofies Dawhoda ( talk) 13:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand the status of this drug in the US (I'm British). I've always assumed this was primarily a US market drug, and there is a whole subculture around them there (the 'roofies' thing - there was even a Family Guy episode about it). However, the article states it's not licensed there. It's certainly not widely used in the UK, so where in the world is it used? Is the 'roofies' date rape thing just an urban myth? -- Ef80 ( talk) 21:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Drugs become well known the world over whether they were ever licensed for clinical use or not and flunitrazepam was never licensed in the US nor was it in Australia. It has been withdrawn in France (I think 2014 - first in pharmacies and then in hospital use). It was available in Spain in 2015 as a tablet of 1 mg and as an injectable solution. In the UK it was introduced as a 1mg and 2mg tablet and then the 2 mg was withdrawn and all tablets were dyed following Daily Mail medical opinion that it was being used as a date-rape drug. All countries where it is still available require special prescribing protocols. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.219.43 ( talk) 14:05, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, the medication is said to be used "early in anesthesia." The subsequent reference does not support this. I suggest removing this indication, or adding an appropriate reference. Korey Pesicka ( talk) 00:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
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Reverting addition of "Josh Ladd" ...again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.182.9 ( talk) 21:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Reverting 81.205.28.135's 9 December 2004 edit:
"..., but, alcohol remains the #1 rape drug"
Be that as it may, that statistic is a non-sequitur here. It would be better suited for a " Date Rape" article.
I think Roche has since added something to the pill form that makes it so the fluid turns blue when you put it in, to help prevent it in facilitation with date rape. Nathan J. Yoder 19:26, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
The article lists Chemical Side Effects including: "Unwanted intercourse in the vaginal region, and all other forms of sodomization" Ummmm, i don't know much about Flunitrazepam and am no pharmacologist, but I would seriously want to see a source listing that as a side effect of the drug before putting it on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.104.97.194 ( talk • contribs) 12:25, November 8, 2007
How about a section on drugs that can be used to counteract its effects and thereby avert date rape -- even if it's to say there aren't any? -- EB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.134.167.78 ( talk) 00:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Something should be said about its legal uses.
Where is it legal, and what is the scheduling of it?
This article seems to focus almost entirely on its legal status in the United States.
Be that as it may, that statistic is a non-sequitur here. It would be better suited for a "Date Rape" article. Kalmia 06:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I think Roche has since added something to the pill form that makes it so the fluid turns blue when you put it in, to help prevent it in facilitation with date rape. Nathan J. Yoder 19:26, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
A dye has been added to make drinks change colour, as well as taste salty. It is difficult to impossible to use as a date-rape drug unless a)your "victim" doesn't have taste buds, and b)doesn't even glance at the drink before taking it. This makes it very hard for those of us who are being treated for genuine medical conditions with this drug - it is in the same class as Morphine in Australia, and doctors are very hesitant to prescribe it - I have confirmed with a doctor that it was only classed the same as Morphine due to its notoriety.
The reason the above is not true is because of the popularity of cola. From what I can gather the dye added is deap blue. In clubs it's very dark generally so cola looks exactly the same as cola with blue dye. The strong taste of phoric acid masks any salty taste, as will the alcoholic drink.
It's a sad fact but some people will take what they cant have
Blonde2max
19:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
This article should be rewritten.
>It would be better suited for a " Date Rape" article.
I agree
21 April 2006
There have been rumours that rohypnol sterlizes the victim permanently... what is the real scene?
Pure speculation, accoarding to my doctor.
from what i can gather the only diffrence between the two is one flourine atom. What are the diffrencies between the two that give such a diffrent effect as a date rape drug.
MEDIA HYPE. America never calls them Nitrazepam or Flunitrazepam or Diazepam - it's all brand names, which the consumer doesn't even know belong to one family. More to the point, there are plenty of medications that produce near-instant incapacitation or loss of consciousness when mixed with any quantity of alcohol whatsoever, and they're *NOT* benzodiazepines. Or even sedatives. I'd name a few particularly notorious substances, but I don't want to tip off our dear wannabe-rapists and poisoners out there. Eastern Europeans over the age of 80, from law enforcement backgrounds, who have been to rehab, or who have run afoul of prostitutes with sticky fingers will most definitely know of the most famous one, but there are far more. 208.127.80.59 ( talk) 11:57, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
The article states that flunitrazepam was "never approved for medical use in the United States", and immediately afterwards states that it was temporarily placed in "Schedule IV" and was then moved to "Schedule III". Supposedly, it is *considered* for Schedule I classification. Please note that only substances which have no recognized medical use by the FDA are placed in Schedule I, therefore, if flunitrazepam "was never approved for medical use in the United States", it could *never* have been classified in any schedule lower than Schedule I, and it would federally be Schedule I at this time (which the article implies is not the case).
Conclusion: unless someone can cite that either:
I will *remove* the passage which states that flunitrazepam "...was never approved for medical use...", as this sentence renders the entire paragraph self-contradictory --( Patrick 01:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC))
I suggest there is a difference between "FDA approval" for a drug and "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States" (see Controlled Substances Act#Schedule I drugs). Is the latter criteria even decided by the FDA (as you suggest)? Think for example, about drugs that have no licence for children (yet are used/prescribed for such) or drugs that are licenced elsewhere (e.g. Europe, Mexico, Canada) but not (yet) in the US. Colin° Talk 08:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
In October 2005 I was prescribed flunitrazepam, under the name Rohypnol, with the Roche logo on the blister pack. This was in Japan, and I while I assume the 2mg pills are still manufactured, I cannot find any verification of this. It is also available in Japan in 1mg tablets under the name Silece(サイレース), manufactured by Eisai Co., Ltd.
Can it make the user forget memory from the period immediately before the pill was taken? I ask because this is how it is used on Arrested Development.
So under Anastasia or in cases of duster huffing and otherwise and extreme drunkenness who the hell are we or what exactly happens in memory blackouts and how long can they last? Is the men in black involved? Carsoncannon ( talk) 03:48, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Can I decide and Carry out whatever operations I imagine? Shouldn't I be able to set up npc copies of individuals or slight alterations to not infringe on personal likleyness? Carsoncannon ( talk) 03:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it like a deep fake or like do we no clip out of reality into the car realm? Carsoncannon ( talk) 04:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Or is it like dajavu back to the past when we dreamed about the future? Carsoncannon ( talk) 04:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Is there a drug or medical device that produces these effects? Carsoncannon ( talk) 04:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
For the record I mean cat realm or cat city not car realm but I guess either are appropriate or fuck ford can I trade my piece of shit van into or repair it into a my neighbor Totoro cat bus? I mean as far as vehicles and what's possible with VR technology and robotics this van is absolutely not worth $30000 grand or whatever the remaining payments are unless it comes or I can repair it's lack of a complimentary sexy drivers assistant that actually fucks you or lets you fuck her and supplies drugs on demand then fuck you ford motor company your now in debt to me for 13.50 bitch pay up or watch ads' Carsoncannon ( talk) 05:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
same as this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Date_rape_drug#weasel_words...
^^^POV warrior
Why is the neutrality disputed when you clarified with your citation that alcohol is much more commonly used in date rape than pharmaceuticals? Nobody disputed your citation. I removed the tags from the article as there is no dispute and as far as I am concerned your citation and data you added is correct and a productive addition to the article.-- Literaturegeek | T@1k? 13:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Flunitrazepam is cheap. Now the drug used to facilitate sexual assault is Seroquel. Take a look at the price. Pharmaceutical industry doesn't care about sexual assault or health. They want money. So, Seroquel instead of Rohypnol.-- Justana ( talk) 01:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
The section "Sleep depth" says that flunitrazepam causes a decrease in delta sleep. It also states that an increase in delta sleep causes poorer sleep quality. Therefore, the statement that flunitrazepam decreases sleep quality seems to contradict the other information in this section. Tones of Proudness ( talk) 18:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
It should have said increaded delta activity reflects better sleep. Someone must have altered the text or else the original author (might have been me can't remember) miswrote the sentence. I reread over the reference and fixed the sentence accordingly and removed the banner.-- Literaturegeek | T@1k? 19:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
At the end of the lead is the following sentence:
I find this ambiguous. Taken literally, it means 1% of all date rape cases, regardless of whether any drug was used. Since the vast majority of date rapes don't involve a secret incapacitating drug, 1% could actually be seen as a very high number (if you are just comparing to levels of similar purpose drugs). And, does the source actually limit itself to "date rape" as opposed to "sexual assault" which the title of the source implies. Is the source used just for the 1% figure, or is also used for the opinion that this is a small level, and popular belief is contradicted. -- Rob ( talk) 17:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
OTHER substances are used FAR more often and to greater effect. It's 50% the media being idiots, and 50% conscientious folks not wanting to give perverts, muggers & poisoners info about far more accessible, effective, and dangerous incapacition agents... also, the western media hasn't really caught on (or doesn't wish to acknowledge) that the "spiked drink, unwitting unconscious party taken advantage of" scenario of date night actually most often occurs with a male victim, a prostitute or female criminal posing as a potential one-night-stand doing the spiking, and the John's wallet and valuables the target. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.80.59 ( talk) 12:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I have looked most places and have been unable to find an answer to this question. Is there anything that will counteract the effects of flunitrazepam after it has been ingested? Many date rapes go unreported so the actual statistics are quite a bit higher than given in reports. The "Blue" color is actually noticeable in most colas and semi-dark soft drinks as it changes the appearance and either makes the drink seem much darker or it gives the drink a bluish hue. however there is always a salty after taste to the soft drink but in alcohol it is much less noticeable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdtheAminal ( talk • contribs) 22:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The article barely talks about the therapeutic uses of Flunitrazepam, except for a single sentence in the lead. This is something that is in dire need of correction. I have reassessed the article from a B-class to a C-class article for this reason.
Acebulf ( talk) 05:13, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
"While 80% of flunitrazepam that is taken orally is absorbed...". This does not agree with the infobox. Scott McNay ( talk) 04:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
"Flunitrazepam and other sedative hypnotic drugs are detected frequently...". And how often is frequently"? 5%? 95%? If the source material uses that word and no better source is available, then please put it in quotes to indicate that the source, not the article editor, is vague. Scott McNay ( talk) 05:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
"About 20 years ago...". Surely that depends upon when the sentence was written, and was not intended to be a floating date. Scott McNay ( talk) 05:13, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
roofies Dawhoda ( talk) 13:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand the status of this drug in the US (I'm British). I've always assumed this was primarily a US market drug, and there is a whole subculture around them there (the 'roofies' thing - there was even a Family Guy episode about it). However, the article states it's not licensed there. It's certainly not widely used in the UK, so where in the world is it used? Is the 'roofies' date rape thing just an urban myth? -- Ef80 ( talk) 21:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Drugs become well known the world over whether they were ever licensed for clinical use or not and flunitrazepam was never licensed in the US nor was it in Australia. It has been withdrawn in France (I think 2014 - first in pharmacies and then in hospital use). It was available in Spain in 2015 as a tablet of 1 mg and as an injectable solution. In the UK it was introduced as a 1mg and 2mg tablet and then the 2 mg was withdrawn and all tablets were dyed following Daily Mail medical opinion that it was being used as a date-rape drug. All countries where it is still available require special prescribing protocols. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.219.43 ( talk) 14:05, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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In the first paragraph, the medication is said to be used "early in anesthesia." The subsequent reference does not support this. I suggest removing this indication, or adding an appropriate reference. Korey Pesicka ( talk) 00:22, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
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