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Edits to this article as well as Floyd D. Rose by a non-registered user ( 82.40.107.245) adds a section to the article about claims by Eddie Van Halen that he was the one who came up with the idea for the fine tuners on the bridge. Van Halen made these claims in a recent interview with Total Guitar (see page 8/12 for the specific claim). Until we have further sources for this claim, I see no reason to include it in the article, all we have is Van Halen's talking about how he was the one who invented it. There doesn't seem to be any sources indicating that there's for example patent litigation going on. Cheers, Nettrom ( talk) 17:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
I added it as a controversy because it is. Something doesn't have to be a lawsuit to be a controversy. For example it's disputed that Dave Mustaine wrote "Leper Messiah" on Master of Puppets, this has been mentioned on the album article despite Mustaine only claiming it and not taking legal action. My section wasn't stating it was truth it was stating that a notable individual and early user and endorser of the bridge has made such a claim. Again this isn't just a nobody making an outrageous claim, this is someone whose name actually means something in the guitar world. 82.40.107.245 ( talk) 19:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
article states that there was a $100M suit against kahler but it's not mentioned over on the kahler trem page, where it says that kahler were one of the licensees of the FR design. this needs clarification on both pages.
the court finding:
JUDGMENT AND ORDER: by Judge Gary L. Taylor against defendant American Precision, defendant Gary Kahler . terminating case jointly & severally In the amount of $ 101,501,121.00 plus post-jgm int, Jgm on APM's counterclaim is ent in favor of counter-dfts Floyd D. Rose & Lerner, David, Littenberg, Krumholz & Metnlik & agnst counter-clm American Precision Metal Works & all of APM's 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, & 7th causes of actn are dism w/prej; dfts are permanently enjoined, Rose & LDLK&M are awarded costs. (ENT 11/9/94) MD JS 6 (cc: all counsel) (lisp) (Entered: 11/09/1994)
duncanrmi ( talk) 06:35, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
as gary kahler notes on his company website, there was a period during the heyday of these trem devices where there were a great many patent disputes going back & forth, over things like the fine-tuners fitted to the locking tremolo tailpiece/bridge assemblies... here are a couple I looked at briefly- in this first, kahler & mccabe appear to be the plaintiffs, complaining that the earlier invention.. 'prior art'... of fine-tuners has been illegally patented & licensed by FR, at cost to kahler & others:
https://insight.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/9158262
but then there's this (scroll down to the entry for 11/8/1994 for the big number), which you may need to log-in or download to extract further detail from-
& gary himself (on the company website) says- "There are over 1,382,000 Kahler tremolos out there right now... That adds up to over $300,000,000 at retail value."
so I'm guessing that at the time of the $101M judgement against him, this pretty much cleaned him out.
I have only a passing interest in this, as the owner of several (bass) kahler devices, but I do have a sense of injustice where there's misattribution for the sake of profit, & the 'fine tuners' case seems to be such a case. I'll let you decide how this might fit into the article!
duncanrmi ( talk) 11:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
No mention of the Rockinger tru tune Tremolo? KhlavKhalash ( talk) 15:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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Whilst I appreciate that somebody has made a diagram to help demonstrate the FR tremolo system, I have to say that this image is so abstracted that it is difficult to make sense of. I have played many guitars with these tremolo systems, and yet I find the diagram on this page hard to decipher. I can only imagine how confusing this diagram would be for somebody who has looked up this page because they are completely unfamiliar with the FR tremolo. A less abstracted diagram (or even a sequence of labelled photos) would be more helpful. 14.202.157.32 ( talk) 03:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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Edits to this article as well as Floyd D. Rose by a non-registered user ( 82.40.107.245) adds a section to the article about claims by Eddie Van Halen that he was the one who came up with the idea for the fine tuners on the bridge. Van Halen made these claims in a recent interview with Total Guitar (see page 8/12 for the specific claim). Until we have further sources for this claim, I see no reason to include it in the article, all we have is Van Halen's talking about how he was the one who invented it. There doesn't seem to be any sources indicating that there's for example patent litigation going on. Cheers, Nettrom ( talk) 17:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
I added it as a controversy because it is. Something doesn't have to be a lawsuit to be a controversy. For example it's disputed that Dave Mustaine wrote "Leper Messiah" on Master of Puppets, this has been mentioned on the album article despite Mustaine only claiming it and not taking legal action. My section wasn't stating it was truth it was stating that a notable individual and early user and endorser of the bridge has made such a claim. Again this isn't just a nobody making an outrageous claim, this is someone whose name actually means something in the guitar world. 82.40.107.245 ( talk) 19:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
article states that there was a $100M suit against kahler but it's not mentioned over on the kahler trem page, where it says that kahler were one of the licensees of the FR design. this needs clarification on both pages.
the court finding:
JUDGMENT AND ORDER: by Judge Gary L. Taylor against defendant American Precision, defendant Gary Kahler . terminating case jointly & severally In the amount of $ 101,501,121.00 plus post-jgm int, Jgm on APM's counterclaim is ent in favor of counter-dfts Floyd D. Rose & Lerner, David, Littenberg, Krumholz & Metnlik & agnst counter-clm American Precision Metal Works & all of APM's 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, & 7th causes of actn are dism w/prej; dfts are permanently enjoined, Rose & LDLK&M are awarded costs. (ENT 11/9/94) MD JS 6 (cc: all counsel) (lisp) (Entered: 11/09/1994)
duncanrmi ( talk) 06:35, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
as gary kahler notes on his company website, there was a period during the heyday of these trem devices where there were a great many patent disputes going back & forth, over things like the fine-tuners fitted to the locking tremolo tailpiece/bridge assemblies... here are a couple I looked at briefly- in this first, kahler & mccabe appear to be the plaintiffs, complaining that the earlier invention.. 'prior art'... of fine-tuners has been illegally patented & licensed by FR, at cost to kahler & others:
https://insight.rpxcorp.com/litigation_documents/9158262
but then there's this (scroll down to the entry for 11/8/1994 for the big number), which you may need to log-in or download to extract further detail from-
& gary himself (on the company website) says- "There are over 1,382,000 Kahler tremolos out there right now... That adds up to over $300,000,000 at retail value."
so I'm guessing that at the time of the $101M judgement against him, this pretty much cleaned him out.
I have only a passing interest in this, as the owner of several (bass) kahler devices, but I do have a sense of injustice where there's misattribution for the sake of profit, & the 'fine tuners' case seems to be such a case. I'll let you decide how this might fit into the article!
duncanrmi ( talk) 11:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
No mention of the Rockinger tru tune Tremolo? KhlavKhalash ( talk) 15:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedians
Whilst I appreciate that somebody has made a diagram to help demonstrate the FR tremolo system, I have to say that this image is so abstracted that it is difficult to make sense of. I have played many guitars with these tremolo systems, and yet I find the diagram on this page hard to decipher. I can only imagine how confusing this diagram would be for somebody who has looked up this page because they are completely unfamiliar with the FR tremolo. A less abstracted diagram (or even a sequence of labelled photos) would be more helpful. 14.202.157.32 ( talk) 03:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)