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Although my background knowledge on this picture is somewhat limited, I couldn't help but notice that the positioning of the people in the photograph (notably the children) shares very stong resemblance to a famous colour print by William Blake titled The Night of Enitharmon's Joy. Is there any evidence to suggest that the print had an effect on the shoot (ie. was it organised as such), or is it just pure coincidence? 60.242.210.126 ( talk) 02:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says "the car timing chain snapped...." It's a minor detail to be sure, but that is very unlikely as hardly any cars had timing chains in the 1930's. Andyyso ( talk) 15:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyyso ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The article seems to insinuate that Florence was an adulteress, but doesn't come out and say it. What's that about? Also she sure doesn't look like a 100% cherokee... ( Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:54, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
A full blood Cherokee Indian, from Oklahoma, Florence, in 1917, married Cleo Owens, a farmer. Cleo lost his job in 1931 and the family moved to Oroville in Northern California, where Cleo joined his sisters and brothers working in the fields picking peaches. Cleo died soon after moving, at age 32, from a high fever and was buried there. At Cleo's death Florence was expecting a child. During the next two years, Florence stayed around Oroville while her husband's family followed the crops around the state returning to winter at Oroville. In 1933, Florence informed them that she was expecting. The whole family was in a uproar, but Florence never told who the father was.
Link to Smithsonian article no longer works. | Mr. Darcy talk 04:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is says that she was born in Oklahoma. . .The problem is that Oklahoma did not become a state of the union until November 16th, 1907 which would mean that she was actually born in Oklahoma territory vs. Oklahoma the state. -- Mcnarysims 22:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Why does the page not discuss further details, like her life after the Depression (it says she lived till '83), perhaps how she died? This seems like a stub to me. -- 137.28.224.138 01:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
The article says she is a full-blooded native american, which is obviously not the case as you can see in the picture. The citations used to support this claim are from newspaper articles, which have no way of verifying her genetic background. Given that they so conflict with what the picture shows, these cannot be considered reliable sources for the claim. One of the citations seems to mean that she was full-blooded for the purposes of tribal rights, not that she was literally full-blooded. If you'll check the dictionary you'll see that full-blooded means pure. This sort of claim could only be verified with genetic testing. Fixentries ( talk) 23:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
The third citation you offered gives the following explanation: "Both of her parents claimed Cherokee blood rights to the land making her a full blooded Native American of the Cherokee Nation". This logic does not make for a claim that she is a "full-blooded" (dictionary says it means "pure") Native American. Could we possibly change the wording to something more like this source? Fixentries ( talk) 15:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Who gives a flying F***K what she was?? Frankly, it's the photo that carries the weight of history NOT the woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 ( talk) 09:16, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I've protected the article for three days in lieu of blocking users who have been performing a lot of reverts and making borderline personal attacks.
Please discuss the article, and when it comes off of unprotection in three days, know a block will be waiting the involved editors if they so much as sneeze across the article. Please focus on the content and do it here, not by fighting over the article. tedder ( talk) 07:06, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
The photo is what's notable, not Thompson herself. Prezbo ( talk) 02:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
A Library of Congress page has a caption in quotes stating "These people had just sold their tent in order to buy food" ( http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/list/128_migm.html). Although at the beginning of this LOC page is a different quote which says "tires", which is an account that is referenced as "Popular Photography, Feb. 1960".
The quote in this Wikipedia article ("These people had just sold their tires to buy food.") is referenced to a New Times article which says the quote is from Lange's field notes. But the quote from the Library of Congress page looks very much like field notes. Does anyone know for sure whether the field notes has "tires"? Maybe in an interview with Popular Phototgraphy, Lange forgot and said "tires" in place of "tent". Or is the Library of Congress trying to make amends? 99.181.133.121 ( talk) 14:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of article it lists Florence's husband as a Jim Hill, but he is not listed as a spouse in the sidebar. Did she have two husbands, or three? 11/12/12
Apparently a common-law husband.
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There are reputable secondary sources using the name "Florence Owens Thompson", given without explanation, and this or Florence Owens-Thompson seem to be the most common versions of her name given--not sure if Wikipedia may have itself influenced search results at least. But is there any evidence that she ever actually used her combined her first and third husbands' names in this fashion? Her gravestone says Florence Leona Thompson. NTK ( talk) 10:00, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Mid-way through the section "Iconic photo" it states "Although Thompson became a famous symbol of White motherhood, her heritage is Native American." No source is provided for the rather odd claim that Thompson symbolized "White motherhood" as opposed to any other specific category of motherhood, or no sub-category at all. From reading Lange's notes, and from reading Thompson's comments, I cannot find anything that supports the notion that any specific ethnicity was intended to be communicated to the viewer. To me, that sort of specificity looks like WP:OR and as such, it should either be backed up by proper sources, or removed. Bricology ( talk) 03:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
A draft entitled Draft:Migrant Mother has been submitted for review. The draft contains useful information that is not in this article and probably should be in Wikipedia. This raises a question concerning naming and splitting. There has been previous discussion of whether this article should be renamed Migrant Mother, the name of the photograph. The question should be considered as follows. Should we have:
Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
I hope everyone that voted here, also votes the same for every person listed in [Category:People notable for being the subject of a specific photograph], you know since Thompson is the most iconic photo portrait figure. We wouldn't wanna be bias. Same for figures like Lisa del Giocondo. Or is Thompson the exception? Also worth noting that on Wikidata, 20 other wikis have the Thompson article and only 3 the photograph, should the English wiki set the standard, should we try on the other language wikis too? We have three articles related to the We Can Do It! poster, the poster itself and Naomi Parker Fraley and Geraldine Doyle. Iconic posters, photos and paintings tend to have an article both, it's a established rule, if this was to change we need a more formal discussion than this and every article has to be discussed, otherwise we change the most known and the unknown ones are not held to the same standard, which is bad form for a encyclopedia to be so inconsistent. GuzzyG ( talk) 01:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Although my background knowledge on this picture is somewhat limited, I couldn't help but notice that the positioning of the people in the photograph (notably the children) shares very stong resemblance to a famous colour print by William Blake titled The Night of Enitharmon's Joy. Is there any evidence to suggest that the print had an effect on the shoot (ie. was it organised as such), or is it just pure coincidence? 60.242.210.126 ( talk) 02:46, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says "the car timing chain snapped...." It's a minor detail to be sure, but that is very unlikely as hardly any cars had timing chains in the 1930's. Andyyso ( talk) 15:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyyso ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The article seems to insinuate that Florence was an adulteress, but doesn't come out and say it. What's that about? Also she sure doesn't look like a 100% cherokee... ( Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:54, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
A full blood Cherokee Indian, from Oklahoma, Florence, in 1917, married Cleo Owens, a farmer. Cleo lost his job in 1931 and the family moved to Oroville in Northern California, where Cleo joined his sisters and brothers working in the fields picking peaches. Cleo died soon after moving, at age 32, from a high fever and was buried there. At Cleo's death Florence was expecting a child. During the next two years, Florence stayed around Oroville while her husband's family followed the crops around the state returning to winter at Oroville. In 1933, Florence informed them that she was expecting. The whole family was in a uproar, but Florence never told who the father was.
Link to Smithsonian article no longer works. | Mr. Darcy talk 04:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Here is says that she was born in Oklahoma. . .The problem is that Oklahoma did not become a state of the union until November 16th, 1907 which would mean that she was actually born in Oklahoma territory vs. Oklahoma the state. -- Mcnarysims 22:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Why does the page not discuss further details, like her life after the Depression (it says she lived till '83), perhaps how she died? This seems like a stub to me. -- 137.28.224.138 01:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
The article says she is a full-blooded native american, which is obviously not the case as you can see in the picture. The citations used to support this claim are from newspaper articles, which have no way of verifying her genetic background. Given that they so conflict with what the picture shows, these cannot be considered reliable sources for the claim. One of the citations seems to mean that she was full-blooded for the purposes of tribal rights, not that she was literally full-blooded. If you'll check the dictionary you'll see that full-blooded means pure. This sort of claim could only be verified with genetic testing. Fixentries ( talk) 23:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
The third citation you offered gives the following explanation: "Both of her parents claimed Cherokee blood rights to the land making her a full blooded Native American of the Cherokee Nation". This logic does not make for a claim that she is a "full-blooded" (dictionary says it means "pure") Native American. Could we possibly change the wording to something more like this source? Fixentries ( talk) 15:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Who gives a flying F***K what she was?? Frankly, it's the photo that carries the weight of history NOT the woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.233 ( talk) 09:16, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
I've protected the article for three days in lieu of blocking users who have been performing a lot of reverts and making borderline personal attacks.
Please discuss the article, and when it comes off of unprotection in three days, know a block will be waiting the involved editors if they so much as sneeze across the article. Please focus on the content and do it here, not by fighting over the article. tedder ( talk) 07:06, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
The photo is what's notable, not Thompson herself. Prezbo ( talk) 02:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
A Library of Congress page has a caption in quotes stating "These people had just sold their tent in order to buy food" ( http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/list/128_migm.html). Although at the beginning of this LOC page is a different quote which says "tires", which is an account that is referenced as "Popular Photography, Feb. 1960".
The quote in this Wikipedia article ("These people had just sold their tires to buy food.") is referenced to a New Times article which says the quote is from Lange's field notes. But the quote from the Library of Congress page looks very much like field notes. Does anyone know for sure whether the field notes has "tires"? Maybe in an interview with Popular Phototgraphy, Lange forgot and said "tires" in place of "tent". Or is the Library of Congress trying to make amends? 99.181.133.121 ( talk) 14:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
In the first paragraph of article it lists Florence's husband as a Jim Hill, but he is not listed as a spouse in the sidebar. Did she have two husbands, or three? 11/12/12
Apparently a common-law husband.
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There are reputable secondary sources using the name "Florence Owens Thompson", given without explanation, and this or Florence Owens-Thompson seem to be the most common versions of her name given--not sure if Wikipedia may have itself influenced search results at least. But is there any evidence that she ever actually used her combined her first and third husbands' names in this fashion? Her gravestone says Florence Leona Thompson. NTK ( talk) 10:00, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
Mid-way through the section "Iconic photo" it states "Although Thompson became a famous symbol of White motherhood, her heritage is Native American." No source is provided for the rather odd claim that Thompson symbolized "White motherhood" as opposed to any other specific category of motherhood, or no sub-category at all. From reading Lange's notes, and from reading Thompson's comments, I cannot find anything that supports the notion that any specific ethnicity was intended to be communicated to the viewer. To me, that sort of specificity looks like WP:OR and as such, it should either be backed up by proper sources, or removed. Bricology ( talk) 03:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
A draft entitled Draft:Migrant Mother has been submitted for review. The draft contains useful information that is not in this article and probably should be in Wikipedia. This raises a question concerning naming and splitting. There has been previous discussion of whether this article should be renamed Migrant Mother, the name of the photograph. The question should be considered as follows. Should we have:
Robert McClenon ( talk) 20:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
I hope everyone that voted here, also votes the same for every person listed in [Category:People notable for being the subject of a specific photograph], you know since Thompson is the most iconic photo portrait figure. We wouldn't wanna be bias. Same for figures like Lisa del Giocondo. Or is Thompson the exception? Also worth noting that on Wikidata, 20 other wikis have the Thompson article and only 3 the photograph, should the English wiki set the standard, should we try on the other language wikis too? We have three articles related to the We Can Do It! poster, the poster itself and Naomi Parker Fraley and Geraldine Doyle. Iconic posters, photos and paintings tend to have an article both, it's a established rule, if this was to change we need a more formal discussion than this and every article has to be discussed, otherwise we change the most known and the unknown ones are not held to the same standard, which is bad form for a encyclopedia to be so inconsistent. GuzzyG ( talk) 01:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)