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Hi. About this one:
"The flowers are arranged in
cymose determinate
inflorescences at the extremity of a
scape, sometimes compacted and similar to
umbels—for which they are called "pseudoumbels"—rarely reduced to solitary flowers."
Does it mean:
"The flowers are arranged in
cymose that determinate
inflorescences at the extremity of a
scape. These inflorescences are sometimes compacted and similar to
umbels, and in that case are called "pseudoumbels". They are rarely reduced to solitary flowers."
or does it mean something else?
And this one:
The involucral
bracts, those enclosing the flower buds, may be present or absent.
"those" is ambiguous. Can mean :
"The involucral
bracts, which enclose the flower buds, may be present or absent."
Meaning there are no other bracts than those enclosing the flower buds.
or
"The involucral
bracts which enclose the flower buds, may be present or absent."
Meaning that there may be other bracts apart from the ones that may be present around the flower buds.
Thank you for making that clear and understandable. 91.164.158.11 ( talk) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Tips: 1) all sentences should treat of one and only one idea/concept/etc, and they should be kept short. 2) Choose "being understandable" before "looking erudite". Example : "the bracts of the involucre" is better understandable / clearer / more easily pictured / more memorable than "the involucral bracts". "erudite" is related to "to instruct"; if you choose complicated constructions / words / etc over simple ones, you may look erudite but that's just a fake.
Checking a translation of Darwin's The effects of cross and self-fertilisation in the vegetable kingdom; p. 372 I find "ray-florets". Can't find that anywhere in here: ( Glossary of botanical terms, Flower, Umbel, "what else?").
The Glossary of botanical terms gives at "floret": "A small flower, usually referring to the individual true flowers clustered within an inflorescence, particularly those of the Poaceae grasses and the pseudanthia of family Asteraceae." So, nothing on "ray floret/s". Suspecting (quite rightly) that it'll be easier to find with google;
Here:
Control of Floret Symmetry by RAY3, SvDIV1B, and SvRAD in the Capitulum of Senecio vulgaris, I find:
"Asteraceae species are characterized by having a capitulum, which is a compressed inflorescence consisting of two types of flowers: ray and disc florets. In the capitulum, disc florets are positioned in the center, surrounded by ray florets at the margin (Fig. 1, A–D). A disc floret has five evenly sized petals with radial symmetry (actinomorphic; Fig. 1G), while a ray floret has bilateral symmetry (zygomorphic; Fig. 1F) with three fused and elongated ventral petals and two reduced dorsal petals (Trow, 1912)."
Ok, so thanks to that i look up "capitulum" in the glossary, and that opens on the page
Pseudanthium. "ray florets" is mentioned in there, but no explanation and no link. There is a link on "ray flower" - and on "disc flower", both of which open the page
Asteraceae#Floral heads. Where I read:
"The "petals" or "sunrays" in a sunflower head are actually individual strap-shaped[10] flowers called ray flowers or ray florets, and the "sun disk" is made of smaller circular shaped individual flowers called disc flowers or disk florets." Ok, that's almost good enough, apart from that the "strap-shaped" requires an explanation - all the more so because the ref that goes with it is not accessible. So, almost good enough but the path from "what's ray florets" to that is not good enough by far.
After all these circumvolutions, i get the idea of searching the Glossary of botanical terms for "ray florets".
+: In the "See also" section or "Floral morphology" there should be either links to all pages that describe the different parts of the various flowers, or/and a link to the category page that gathers them all. But there is not way i would have had the idea of looking at a page called " Pseudanthium" for 'ray florets', so the 'See also' or/and the category page should definitely include " Capitulum".
Thank you. 91.164.158.11 ( talk) 13:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Forgot: so, if i understand correctly, these 'ray florets' are what we commonly call "petals" on daisies, sunflowers and such. If that's true, it should be mentioned right beside the 'ray florets' thing. And if it is mentioned somewhere, why is it so hard to find that I did not see it despite the rather thorough search I just wasted one hour on? 91.164.158.11 ( talk) 13:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
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This article contains a translation of Morfología floral from es.wikipedia. |
Hi. About this one:
"The flowers are arranged in
cymose determinate
inflorescences at the extremity of a
scape, sometimes compacted and similar to
umbels—for which they are called "pseudoumbels"—rarely reduced to solitary flowers."
Does it mean:
"The flowers are arranged in
cymose that determinate
inflorescences at the extremity of a
scape. These inflorescences are sometimes compacted and similar to
umbels, and in that case are called "pseudoumbels". They are rarely reduced to solitary flowers."
or does it mean something else?
And this one:
The involucral
bracts, those enclosing the flower buds, may be present or absent.
"those" is ambiguous. Can mean :
"The involucral
bracts, which enclose the flower buds, may be present or absent."
Meaning there are no other bracts than those enclosing the flower buds.
or
"The involucral
bracts which enclose the flower buds, may be present or absent."
Meaning that there may be other bracts apart from the ones that may be present around the flower buds.
Thank you for making that clear and understandable. 91.164.158.11 ( talk) 10:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Tips: 1) all sentences should treat of one and only one idea/concept/etc, and they should be kept short. 2) Choose "being understandable" before "looking erudite". Example : "the bracts of the involucre" is better understandable / clearer / more easily pictured / more memorable than "the involucral bracts". "erudite" is related to "to instruct"; if you choose complicated constructions / words / etc over simple ones, you may look erudite but that's just a fake.
Checking a translation of Darwin's The effects of cross and self-fertilisation in the vegetable kingdom; p. 372 I find "ray-florets". Can't find that anywhere in here: ( Glossary of botanical terms, Flower, Umbel, "what else?").
The Glossary of botanical terms gives at "floret": "A small flower, usually referring to the individual true flowers clustered within an inflorescence, particularly those of the Poaceae grasses and the pseudanthia of family Asteraceae." So, nothing on "ray floret/s". Suspecting (quite rightly) that it'll be easier to find with google;
Here:
Control of Floret Symmetry by RAY3, SvDIV1B, and SvRAD in the Capitulum of Senecio vulgaris, I find:
"Asteraceae species are characterized by having a capitulum, which is a compressed inflorescence consisting of two types of flowers: ray and disc florets. In the capitulum, disc florets are positioned in the center, surrounded by ray florets at the margin (Fig. 1, A–D). A disc floret has five evenly sized petals with radial symmetry (actinomorphic; Fig. 1G), while a ray floret has bilateral symmetry (zygomorphic; Fig. 1F) with three fused and elongated ventral petals and two reduced dorsal petals (Trow, 1912)."
Ok, so thanks to that i look up "capitulum" in the glossary, and that opens on the page
Pseudanthium. "ray florets" is mentioned in there, but no explanation and no link. There is a link on "ray flower" - and on "disc flower", both of which open the page
Asteraceae#Floral heads. Where I read:
"The "petals" or "sunrays" in a sunflower head are actually individual strap-shaped[10] flowers called ray flowers or ray florets, and the "sun disk" is made of smaller circular shaped individual flowers called disc flowers or disk florets." Ok, that's almost good enough, apart from that the "strap-shaped" requires an explanation - all the more so because the ref that goes with it is not accessible. So, almost good enough but the path from "what's ray florets" to that is not good enough by far.
After all these circumvolutions, i get the idea of searching the Glossary of botanical terms for "ray florets".
+: In the "See also" section or "Floral morphology" there should be either links to all pages that describe the different parts of the various flowers, or/and a link to the category page that gathers them all. But there is not way i would have had the idea of looking at a page called " Pseudanthium" for 'ray florets', so the 'See also' or/and the category page should definitely include " Capitulum".
Thank you. 91.164.158.11 ( talk) 13:20, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Forgot: so, if i understand correctly, these 'ray florets' are what we commonly call "petals" on daisies, sunflowers and such. If that's true, it should be mentioned right beside the 'ray florets' thing. And if it is mentioned somewhere, why is it so hard to find that I did not see it despite the rather thorough search I just wasted one hour on? 91.164.158.11 ( talk) 13:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)