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can someone cite me a source for this: "Faster-burning powder, however, produce less projectile velocity, which reduces both the accuracy and lethality of the weapon." seems to me that a faster burning powder would increase velocity, but also increase the chamber pressure, resulting in the possibility of burst brass or barrels. Qleem 01:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Yaf, pleaese stop reverting to the previous version. The way I wrote it is neutral and accurate. Your reversion is neither. CynicalMe 07:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I suggest moving this article to "flash hider." In my experience the term "flash hider" is much more common than "flash suppressor". Addittionally, this article seems to be confusing with the plain "suppressor" article and a name change would make them more distinct. Any opinions? -- Askaggs 16:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I tagged both articles mergewith. As far as I can tell, flash suppressors do not necessarily do anything for sound, and suppressors (silencers) usually reduce muzzle flash. -- Christopherlin 16:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
What are those things on the end of some tank barrels (they look kinda like flash suppressors) that have transverse holes? Just wondering what their true function is. Here's a link to a pic:
http://www.d-daytanks.org.uk/images/tanks/sherman_firefly2.jpg
thank you
-Al
Answering my own question, it turns out it's a muzzle brake, which reduces recoil by venting a portion of the propellant gases sideways.
— Addressing the original article; modern (smokeless powder) firearms virtually consume the whole of the powder charge prior to the exit of the projectile from the muzzle. The incandescent particles commonly known as 'muzzle flash' are the residue of the burnt powder particles, having been heated to the chamber temperature of the firearm. Temperature is directly proportional to chamber pressure. In center fire rifles, this pressure measures on the order of 55,000 - 65,000 pounds per square inch (PSI) with a temperature in the range of 3,500 to 4,500 degrees F. [1]
Flash suppressors function by vibrating and essentially breaking up the particles which lose their heat more rapidly. At least, that is the explanation given in U. S. Armed Forces training manuals regarding the M14 and M16 rifles and M60 machine gun.
Touching on other subjects already mentioned, sound suppressors - silencers or mufflers - if properly constructed have the additional benefit of suppressing flash as well. By the way, the reason firearms with flash suppressors or sound suppressors show a flash in the movies is they are fired with blank ammunition. The burning characteristics of blank powder is radically different from normal canister powder, and the lack of a projectile also changes the burning characteristics. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by OldManMontgomery ( talk • contribs) 05:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
From the article:
Anti-gun lobbies often attempt to depict flash suppressors incorrectly as devices which conceal the shooter from visibility by an observing party. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence falsely describes a flash suppressor as a device which "allows the shooter to remain concealed when shooting at night" in their "Mass Produced Mayhem" literature published in October of 2008.
Yet the first paragraph states:
This is useful from a tactical standpoint because it reduces the chance that the shooter's position will be given away . . .
Also:
...flash suppressors are designed to reduce the muzzle flash from the shooter to preserve the shooter's night vision . . . and to reduce the flash visible to the enemy.
So, would it be fair to say that a flash suppressor IS used to help remain concealed? How is the statement from the Brady Center an "incorrect" or "false" depiction? While a simplified explanation it does not seem out of line with the role a flash suppressor preforms.
If no one objects I will remove the entire section I first quoted above after a week or two. Please discuses any suggestions, objections or anything like that related to this article here and not on my talk page. Thank you. Lando242 ( talk) 14:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
This does still need to be changed. The primary purbose of most flash suppressors is to disperse the flash away from the shooter's line of vision. While such dispersion could conceivably aid in concealment from certain angles, it is not of consequence in the purpose of the device. Duckbill suppressors were actually originally devised to help conceal the firer's position, not by concealing the flash but rather by reducing dust kicked up by the gasses escaping from the muzzle when the firearm is fired from a prone position. They give an additional benefit by directing the gases upward of reducing muzzle rise, acting as a sort of crude compensator. I can also state from first-hand experience that the common birdcage suppressors usually increase the overall diameter of the muzzle flash which would hardly help in concealment. The point is that the flash is only hidden (somewhat) from the firer and observers in certain directions (mostly behind the firer), not from anyone being fired at. This needs to be reflected more clearly in the article.-- SEWalk ( talk) 00:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
A reader provided an image of a flash suppressor that may be useful for this article. File:Vortex Flash Hider.jpg-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 16:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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can someone cite me a source for this: "Faster-burning powder, however, produce less projectile velocity, which reduces both the accuracy and lethality of the weapon." seems to me that a faster burning powder would increase velocity, but also increase the chamber pressure, resulting in the possibility of burst brass or barrels. Qleem 01:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Yaf, pleaese stop reverting to the previous version. The way I wrote it is neutral and accurate. Your reversion is neither. CynicalMe 07:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I suggest moving this article to "flash hider." In my experience the term "flash hider" is much more common than "flash suppressor". Addittionally, this article seems to be confusing with the plain "suppressor" article and a name change would make them more distinct. Any opinions? -- Askaggs 16:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I tagged both articles mergewith. As far as I can tell, flash suppressors do not necessarily do anything for sound, and suppressors (silencers) usually reduce muzzle flash. -- Christopherlin 16:42, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
What are those things on the end of some tank barrels (they look kinda like flash suppressors) that have transverse holes? Just wondering what their true function is. Here's a link to a pic:
http://www.d-daytanks.org.uk/images/tanks/sherman_firefly2.jpg
thank you
-Al
Answering my own question, it turns out it's a muzzle brake, which reduces recoil by venting a portion of the propellant gases sideways.
— Addressing the original article; modern (smokeless powder) firearms virtually consume the whole of the powder charge prior to the exit of the projectile from the muzzle. The incandescent particles commonly known as 'muzzle flash' are the residue of the burnt powder particles, having been heated to the chamber temperature of the firearm. Temperature is directly proportional to chamber pressure. In center fire rifles, this pressure measures on the order of 55,000 - 65,000 pounds per square inch (PSI) with a temperature in the range of 3,500 to 4,500 degrees F. [1]
Flash suppressors function by vibrating and essentially breaking up the particles which lose their heat more rapidly. At least, that is the explanation given in U. S. Armed Forces training manuals regarding the M14 and M16 rifles and M60 machine gun.
Touching on other subjects already mentioned, sound suppressors - silencers or mufflers - if properly constructed have the additional benefit of suppressing flash as well. By the way, the reason firearms with flash suppressors or sound suppressors show a flash in the movies is they are fired with blank ammunition. The burning characteristics of blank powder is radically different from normal canister powder, and the lack of a projectile also changes the burning characteristics. [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by OldManMontgomery ( talk • contribs) 05:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
From the article:
Anti-gun lobbies often attempt to depict flash suppressors incorrectly as devices which conceal the shooter from visibility by an observing party. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence falsely describes a flash suppressor as a device which "allows the shooter to remain concealed when shooting at night" in their "Mass Produced Mayhem" literature published in October of 2008.
Yet the first paragraph states:
This is useful from a tactical standpoint because it reduces the chance that the shooter's position will be given away . . .
Also:
...flash suppressors are designed to reduce the muzzle flash from the shooter to preserve the shooter's night vision . . . and to reduce the flash visible to the enemy.
So, would it be fair to say that a flash suppressor IS used to help remain concealed? How is the statement from the Brady Center an "incorrect" or "false" depiction? While a simplified explanation it does not seem out of line with the role a flash suppressor preforms.
If no one objects I will remove the entire section I first quoted above after a week or two. Please discuses any suggestions, objections or anything like that related to this article here and not on my talk page. Thank you. Lando242 ( talk) 14:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
This does still need to be changed. The primary purbose of most flash suppressors is to disperse the flash away from the shooter's line of vision. While such dispersion could conceivably aid in concealment from certain angles, it is not of consequence in the purpose of the device. Duckbill suppressors were actually originally devised to help conceal the firer's position, not by concealing the flash but rather by reducing dust kicked up by the gasses escaping from the muzzle when the firearm is fired from a prone position. They give an additional benefit by directing the gases upward of reducing muzzle rise, acting as a sort of crude compensator. I can also state from first-hand experience that the common birdcage suppressors usually increase the overall diameter of the muzzle flash which would hardly help in concealment. The point is that the flash is only hidden (somewhat) from the firer and observers in certain directions (mostly behind the firer), not from anyone being fired at. This needs to be reflected more clearly in the article.-- SEWalk ( talk) 00:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
A reader provided an image of a flash suppressor that may be useful for this article. File:Vortex Flash Hider.jpg-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 16:33, 17 May 2013 (UTC)