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On 13 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to List of flags of the U.S. states and territories. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
@ Reywas92: I don't agree with your revert. To a casual reader, your version looks like a hundred links to the article Flag - see WP:EASTEREGG. Readers shouldn't have to hover over a link to see where it goes - and that's even tougher on mobile where you have to long-press the link. A simple, non piped link to Flag of Some State makes it very clear what the readers will get if they click. This article is "Flags of the U.S. states and territories" (not List of states and territories of the United States) so the individual flag articles are the most important links; they should be prominent and hard to miss. Meanwhile, the top-level articles on the states themselves are low-value links; they're common words readers will be familiar with per WP:OVERLINK, and a bunch of irrelevant links makes it harder to find the relevant links. In the unlikely scenario of someone genuinely wanting a link to the top-level Michigan article, they'll find it in the first paragraph of Flag of Michigan. I really don't see what the value add for the state links is here. SnowFire ( talk) 06:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Add design shown at Flag_of_Maryland#Previous_design to Flags_of_the_U.S._states_and_territories#Former_state_flags ? 97.94.200.48 ( talk) 13:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
The flag of the state of Utah is not the most recent state flag to be adopted. The current flag of the state of New York was, for example, more recently adopted (2020).
VectorEyes ( talk) 05:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, state flags originate with the American Civil War, when secessionist Southern Democrat (an ideology which, along with the rest of that time's Democratic party, held the primacy of states as sovereign entities over the federal government) states chose the flags to represent their new nations in confederacy. The article glosses over that and attributes State flags to the World's fair, which appears to be true of several states, but apparently not any in the former CSA. There seems to be movement in other articles which imply that state flags, like the New York State Seal article (there is no state flag article), originate with state seals. Obviously, not the case. Regardless of the reason for all this, it should be made clear that the first state flags were created for the CSA's member states. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 06:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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The US state flag map has not been updated to include the current Mississippi flag. -- Wikidid.do ( talk) 00:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
The page List of flags of the United States#Uninhabited territory flags claims that flags for Johnston Atoll, Midway Atoll, Navassa Island, and Wake Island are in use, while this page had all of the flags but Midway. All of them are unofficial, and though some may have more credibility than others, I don't see why Midway is less so than others. From https://nava.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/NAVANews_2000_vol33no1.pdf, it has been "officially introduced on the atoll", while the flags for Howland Island, Navassa Island, Kingman Reef, and Palmyra Atoll are unsourced. Looking into it, from https://nava.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/NAVANews_2010_no206.pdf, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service "agreed to allow his flag torepresent the island on an unofficial basis", and from https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/um-kngmn.html, the flags for Kingman Reef and Howland Island (the flag for which also represents Baker Island and Jarvis Island) have no official support, though I'd still say they meet the criteria for being unofficial flags. The Palmyra Atoll flag has a much longer history but could use https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/um-plmyr.html as a source. Why does the flag for Midway not qualify for this page? Geobica ( talk) 23:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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I'm trying to use these SVG files in a web page directly (not using `<img>` tags) and scaling them to fit the container width (preserving aspect ratio). This involves removing the `width` and `height` attributes (if specified), setting `width="100%"`, and if the `viewBox` attribute is missing, setting it to `0 0 {oldWidth} {oldHeight}`. For example, for Rhode Island, I change `<svg height="580" width="660">` to `<svg width="100%" viewBox="0 0 660 580">`.
This works for most flags, but there are a few states where something in the metrics is "off," causing portions of the flags to be missing or scaled incorrectly:
How is the US State flags section organized? It isn't alphabetically, it doesn't appear to be by date of origin. What am I missing here? It appears to me that it's just randomly ordered ... could that be fixed? Could it be sorted by some system that would be helpful to readers, or at least make sense? Dbrain64 ( talk) 14:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 16:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Flags of the U.S. states and territories → List of flags of the U.S. states and territories – This works make the list easier to search for and consistent with other lists. Aaron Liu ( talk) 14:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc. talk 18:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
MAYBE worth mentioning now in the article, but if not, someone should set your calendar to check the status.
Source : [1] https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/19/new-minnesota-flag-final-design Vollink ( talk) 18:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Looks like the hero image is a .png rather than an .svg, and I can't seem to find an .svg version of the new map. Would be good if we could adapt this one. Looks like @ lumap15 was the first to upload a map including territories, maybe they'd have the .svg sources they used to make the .png? TheTaraStark ( talk) 16:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Kentucky's flag is outdated. The flag used here has some kind of Arial/Helvetica text across the top , when the one used nowadays has a serif-stretched out font. Please update!!! 199.66.15.8 ( talk) 20:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
The Historic State Flag of Utah needs to be added. (Oregon has two images; Utah has two flags). Ablanchard57 ( talk) 05:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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On 13 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to List of flags of the U.S. states and territories. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
@ Reywas92: I don't agree with your revert. To a casual reader, your version looks like a hundred links to the article Flag - see WP:EASTEREGG. Readers shouldn't have to hover over a link to see where it goes - and that's even tougher on mobile where you have to long-press the link. A simple, non piped link to Flag of Some State makes it very clear what the readers will get if they click. This article is "Flags of the U.S. states and territories" (not List of states and territories of the United States) so the individual flag articles are the most important links; they should be prominent and hard to miss. Meanwhile, the top-level articles on the states themselves are low-value links; they're common words readers will be familiar with per WP:OVERLINK, and a bunch of irrelevant links makes it harder to find the relevant links. In the unlikely scenario of someone genuinely wanting a link to the top-level Michigan article, they'll find it in the first paragraph of Flag of Michigan. I really don't see what the value add for the state links is here. SnowFire ( talk) 06:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Add design shown at Flag_of_Maryland#Previous_design to Flags_of_the_U.S._states_and_territories#Former_state_flags ? 97.94.200.48 ( talk) 13:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
The flag of the state of Utah is not the most recent state flag to be adopted. The current flag of the state of New York was, for example, more recently adopted (2020).
VectorEyes ( talk) 05:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, state flags originate with the American Civil War, when secessionist Southern Democrat (an ideology which, along with the rest of that time's Democratic party, held the primacy of states as sovereign entities over the federal government) states chose the flags to represent their new nations in confederacy. The article glosses over that and attributes State flags to the World's fair, which appears to be true of several states, but apparently not any in the former CSA. There seems to be movement in other articles which imply that state flags, like the New York State Seal article (there is no state flag article), originate with state seals. Obviously, not the case. Regardless of the reason for all this, it should be made clear that the first state flags were created for the CSA's member states. -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 06:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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The US state flag map has not been updated to include the current Mississippi flag. -- Wikidid.do ( talk) 00:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
The page List of flags of the United States#Uninhabited territory flags claims that flags for Johnston Atoll, Midway Atoll, Navassa Island, and Wake Island are in use, while this page had all of the flags but Midway. All of them are unofficial, and though some may have more credibility than others, I don't see why Midway is less so than others. From https://nava.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/NAVANews_2000_vol33no1.pdf, it has been "officially introduced on the atoll", while the flags for Howland Island, Navassa Island, Kingman Reef, and Palmyra Atoll are unsourced. Looking into it, from https://nava.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/NAVANews_2010_no206.pdf, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service "agreed to allow his flag torepresent the island on an unofficial basis", and from https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/um-kngmn.html, the flags for Kingman Reef and Howland Island (the flag for which also represents Baker Island and Jarvis Island) have no official support, though I'd still say they meet the criteria for being unofficial flags. The Palmyra Atoll flag has a much longer history but could use https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/um-plmyr.html as a source. Why does the flag for Midway not qualify for this page? Geobica ( talk) 23:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
References
I'm trying to use these SVG files in a web page directly (not using `<img>` tags) and scaling them to fit the container width (preserving aspect ratio). This involves removing the `width` and `height` attributes (if specified), setting `width="100%"`, and if the `viewBox` attribute is missing, setting it to `0 0 {oldWidth} {oldHeight}`. For example, for Rhode Island, I change `<svg height="580" width="660">` to `<svg width="100%" viewBox="0 0 660 580">`.
This works for most flags, but there are a few states where something in the metrics is "off," causing portions of the flags to be missing or scaled incorrectly:
How is the US State flags section organized? It isn't alphabetically, it doesn't appear to be by date of origin. What am I missing here? It appears to me that it's just randomly ordered ... could that be fixed? Could it be sorted by some system that would be helpful to readers, or at least make sense? Dbrain64 ( talk) 14:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 16:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Flags of the U.S. states and territories → List of flags of the U.S. states and territories – This works make the list easier to search for and consistent with other lists. Aaron Liu ( talk) 14:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc. talk 18:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
MAYBE worth mentioning now in the article, but if not, someone should set your calendar to check the status.
Source : [1] https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/12/19/new-minnesota-flag-final-design Vollink ( talk) 18:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Looks like the hero image is a .png rather than an .svg, and I can't seem to find an .svg version of the new map. Would be good if we could adapt this one. Looks like @ lumap15 was the first to upload a map including territories, maybe they'd have the .svg sources they used to make the .png? TheTaraStark ( talk) 16:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Kentucky's flag is outdated. The flag used here has some kind of Arial/Helvetica text across the top , when the one used nowadays has a serif-stretched out font. Please update!!! 199.66.15.8 ( talk) 20:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
The Historic State Flag of Utah needs to be added. (Oregon has two images; Utah has two flags). Ablanchard57 ( talk) 05:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)