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Yellow represent the skin color of Vietnamese people
The flags of the present Socialist Republic of Vietnam and the former Democratic Republic of Vietnam are the same, why do two image files exist on Wikimedia Commons, why are the colours different, and if the pantone>>RGBA were unofficially calculated by wiki editors, then perhaps we should delete one of the files? -- 70.21.18.134 18:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Thare not the same and the main "Article" page explains when the North and South reunified they changed from DRV to SRV and adopted the second flag with smaller star, straightened some parts and if the truth be known set out more to match the Communist Flag colors, just as Le Anh Huy says below. On another point I suggest a correction to the "Article" Page where they sho the 'Viet Cong' flag it should read as Wikipedia Article 'Republic of Vietnam' which was the name of the Southern parftner revolutionary Government of the day. It may be true they were 'Viet cong' but so too were those fighting to liberate Central Vietnam and it was not a name meaning a Government. At one time the name was even a derogatory word to many people of the World. On the other hand it was the same Madam Nguyen Thi Binh who was foreign Minister of the Republic of South Vietnam who later attended the Paris Peace talks to negotiate the ROV surender and end of any USA intervention, and the very same lady who is alive today and still very active in defending the Sovereignty and National security in SRV the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Sure she has retired from her final post of Deputy President of the SRV Nation a few years ago. But she is none the less a heroine and former Minister of the ROSV to which this 2 striped red top half, blue bottom half, and central same gold star of the then DRV and now SRV. perhaps cross reference these pages to this point.-- 203.99.251.254 ( talk) 02:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
From what I understand, only the second flag is correct with the colours. Vietnam's flag was never a "yellow and red" one, but a "gold and crimson" one. Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 09:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I note the comment that Gia Long's flag was used in 1885 during the Can Vuong uprising. But what was the historical flag of Annam between 1840 and 1885, i.e. during the reigns of Minh Mang, Thieu Tri, Tu Duc, Hiep Hoa, Kien Phuc and Ham Nghi? As a student of the Cochinchina Campaign (1860s) and the Sino-French War (1880s), I was under the impression that it was plain yellow (this would explain the later French protectorate flag, which places a tricolour in the canton of an otherwise plain yellow flag). I note that a plain yellow flag has been included in the infoboxes for some of the battles of the Tonkin campaign and the Sino-French War, while Gia Long's flag has been used for the Cochinchina Campaign. Can anyone confirm what the historical flag of Annam was at this period?
Djwilms ( talk) 01:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Could some one reduce this sector's size. The current contents are somewhat offtopic and might have some problems as following:
1/This article's topic is flag of Vietnam; not Vietnamese flag. Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag is a community flag; or flag of oversea Vietnamese. If we include this, we should include Vietnamese political flags as well (such as Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang) to maintain NOPV.
2/This sector is undue because most of this sector's contents is better written in Flag of South Vietnam and its size is 1/4 size of historical flags sector.-- AM ( talk) 17:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Most of the present Vietnam and former South Vietnam sources suggested that the yellow flag is designed by the artist Le Van De in 1948 for the Bao Dai's pro-French government. So where is this "Thanh Thai" thing came from? This is an exceptional claim that nobody know about. It shouldn't be include in a Wikipedia page without some reliable sources. 198.214.186.128 ( talk) 23:09, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
In general, there is no reason we have to call a subject by the name that it was called at the time. We can talk about Vietnamese kings who lived hundreds of years ago, although the word "Vietnam" was not common or official until the 1940s. "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" was never a common name for the communist state, either before or after 1954. Until 1954, it was generally called the Vietminh. It was a state located in the northern part of Vietnam, so I don't really see a problem with "North Vietnam". I'm fine with "Vietminh Provisional Government" as well. However, this name is also anachronistic since officially the provisional government lasted from August 1945 to February (or November) 1946. IMO, putting so many long-form names in the chart makes it quite long-winded. As these names are rarely used, they mislead the reader as to what these entities are usually called. The long-form names can be mentioned in the text, but I don't think there is a need to give them repeatedly. Kauffner ( talk) 04:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kauffner! I appreciate your contributions to the article Flag of Vietnam. But please do not link the (current) Vietnamese flag to any Chinese flags without solid proofs! Considering the delicate relation between Vietnam and China, such contents are highly sensitive and might be offending. Only publish those contents if you have convincing and reliable sources, but not because the flags look similar. Thanks! Thachx ( talk) 16:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Wikipedia requires WP:RS sources to assert something that may be controversial. The connection between the Chinese and Vietnamese flags is obviously controversial, so a reliable source should be provided. Thus far, that has not happened, so the connection should be removed. If the connection is as obvious as Kauffner asserts, it should not be difficult to find a PUBLISHED (not a blog article, or a translated letter) source making the connection, until then the removal of this content is justified. ReformedArsenal ( talk) 12:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC) |
Viet Tan is not a "blog site", its an organization and party advocating for democracy and human rights, just as sources from Hanoi government sites derive from the Vietnamese Communist Party. And, the Republic of Vietnam flag, the co vang ba soc do, was designed by the nationalist Emperor Thanh Thai in 1890 who was trying to resist the French, and it was one of the first original flags to represent Vietnam, north to south, so one can't understand how the origins of this flag can be questioned. I would guess that Hanoi says it's influenced by the American flag because of the 3 stripes representing the 3 Vietnamese regions (North, Central, South). Then if this is the case, why are the stripes on the co vang are of a brighter tone of red instead of the dark red/burgundy used on the U.S. flag? Why are the 3 stripes not alternating in colour like the American flag? Why not 10 to 15 or 13 stripes? Where did the yellow came from? Nguyen1310 ( talk) 00:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
"The flag first appeared in the southern uprising (Nam Kỳ Khởi nghĩa) of November 23, 1940 against French rule in southern Vietnam" This statement is only based on the source of "talks" from the Vietnamese government. There is no picture, no photo of southern uprising in 1940 that has a red flag and a golden star. Dieu Hoang ( talk) 03:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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Yellow represent the skin color of Vietnamese people
The flags of the present Socialist Republic of Vietnam and the former Democratic Republic of Vietnam are the same, why do two image files exist on Wikimedia Commons, why are the colours different, and if the pantone>>RGBA were unofficially calculated by wiki editors, then perhaps we should delete one of the files? -- 70.21.18.134 18:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Thare not the same and the main "Article" page explains when the North and South reunified they changed from DRV to SRV and adopted the second flag with smaller star, straightened some parts and if the truth be known set out more to match the Communist Flag colors, just as Le Anh Huy says below. On another point I suggest a correction to the "Article" Page where they sho the 'Viet Cong' flag it should read as Wikipedia Article 'Republic of Vietnam' which was the name of the Southern parftner revolutionary Government of the day. It may be true they were 'Viet cong' but so too were those fighting to liberate Central Vietnam and it was not a name meaning a Government. At one time the name was even a derogatory word to many people of the World. On the other hand it was the same Madam Nguyen Thi Binh who was foreign Minister of the Republic of South Vietnam who later attended the Paris Peace talks to negotiate the ROV surender and end of any USA intervention, and the very same lady who is alive today and still very active in defending the Sovereignty and National security in SRV the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Sure she has retired from her final post of Deputy President of the SRV Nation a few years ago. But she is none the less a heroine and former Minister of the ROSV to which this 2 striped red top half, blue bottom half, and central same gold star of the then DRV and now SRV. perhaps cross reference these pages to this point.-- 203.99.251.254 ( talk) 02:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
From what I understand, only the second flag is correct with the colours. Vietnam's flag was never a "yellow and red" one, but a "gold and crimson" one. Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 09:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I note the comment that Gia Long's flag was used in 1885 during the Can Vuong uprising. But what was the historical flag of Annam between 1840 and 1885, i.e. during the reigns of Minh Mang, Thieu Tri, Tu Duc, Hiep Hoa, Kien Phuc and Ham Nghi? As a student of the Cochinchina Campaign (1860s) and the Sino-French War (1880s), I was under the impression that it was plain yellow (this would explain the later French protectorate flag, which places a tricolour in the canton of an otherwise plain yellow flag). I note that a plain yellow flag has been included in the infoboxes for some of the battles of the Tonkin campaign and the Sino-French War, while Gia Long's flag has been used for the Cochinchina Campaign. Can anyone confirm what the historical flag of Annam was at this period?
Djwilms ( talk) 01:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Could some one reduce this sector's size. The current contents are somewhat offtopic and might have some problems as following:
1/This article's topic is flag of Vietnam; not Vietnamese flag. Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag is a community flag; or flag of oversea Vietnamese. If we include this, we should include Vietnamese political flags as well (such as Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang) to maintain NOPV.
2/This sector is undue because most of this sector's contents is better written in Flag of South Vietnam and its size is 1/4 size of historical flags sector.-- AM ( talk) 17:05, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Most of the present Vietnam and former South Vietnam sources suggested that the yellow flag is designed by the artist Le Van De in 1948 for the Bao Dai's pro-French government. So where is this "Thanh Thai" thing came from? This is an exceptional claim that nobody know about. It shouldn't be include in a Wikipedia page without some reliable sources. 198.214.186.128 ( talk) 23:09, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
In general, there is no reason we have to call a subject by the name that it was called at the time. We can talk about Vietnamese kings who lived hundreds of years ago, although the word "Vietnam" was not common or official until the 1940s. "Democratic Republic of Vietnam" was never a common name for the communist state, either before or after 1954. Until 1954, it was generally called the Vietminh. It was a state located in the northern part of Vietnam, so I don't really see a problem with "North Vietnam". I'm fine with "Vietminh Provisional Government" as well. However, this name is also anachronistic since officially the provisional government lasted from August 1945 to February (or November) 1946. IMO, putting so many long-form names in the chart makes it quite long-winded. As these names are rarely used, they mislead the reader as to what these entities are usually called. The long-form names can be mentioned in the text, but I don't think there is a need to give them repeatedly. Kauffner ( talk) 04:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kauffner! I appreciate your contributions to the article Flag of Vietnam. But please do not link the (current) Vietnamese flag to any Chinese flags without solid proofs! Considering the delicate relation between Vietnam and China, such contents are highly sensitive and might be offending. Only publish those contents if you have convincing and reliable sources, but not because the flags look similar. Thanks! Thachx ( talk) 16:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Wikipedia requires WP:RS sources to assert something that may be controversial. The connection between the Chinese and Vietnamese flags is obviously controversial, so a reliable source should be provided. Thus far, that has not happened, so the connection should be removed. If the connection is as obvious as Kauffner asserts, it should not be difficult to find a PUBLISHED (not a blog article, or a translated letter) source making the connection, until then the removal of this content is justified. ReformedArsenal ( talk) 12:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC) |
Viet Tan is not a "blog site", its an organization and party advocating for democracy and human rights, just as sources from Hanoi government sites derive from the Vietnamese Communist Party. And, the Republic of Vietnam flag, the co vang ba soc do, was designed by the nationalist Emperor Thanh Thai in 1890 who was trying to resist the French, and it was one of the first original flags to represent Vietnam, north to south, so one can't understand how the origins of this flag can be questioned. I would guess that Hanoi says it's influenced by the American flag because of the 3 stripes representing the 3 Vietnamese regions (North, Central, South). Then if this is the case, why are the stripes on the co vang are of a brighter tone of red instead of the dark red/burgundy used on the U.S. flag? Why are the 3 stripes not alternating in colour like the American flag? Why not 10 to 15 or 13 stripes? Where did the yellow came from? Nguyen1310 ( talk) 00:51, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
"The flag first appeared in the southern uprising (Nam Kỳ Khởi nghĩa) of November 23, 1940 against French rule in southern Vietnam" This statement is only based on the source of "talks" from the Vietnamese government. There is no picture, no photo of southern uprising in 1940 that has a red flag and a golden star. Dieu Hoang ( talk) 03:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
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