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On this page, the leopards are on the first quarter of the St-George cross. But I have many photos (some on official buidings) where we can see that the leopards are supposed to cross over the red bars, like this : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Sark-flag-sized.png/120px-Sark-flag-sized.png. The main picture should be changed (like it was before)
The article for the flag of Normandy describes both that flag and the flag of Sark as containing leopards, not lions. Could some clarification or sourcing be found on this? 75.154.110.206 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC).
Answer : Leopard is the word to name the lion in heraldic when it's walking and the head is facing (but english prefer to use lion passant gardant)
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To ALT1: I couldn't find it sourced that the Island Games where in 1985, I wikipediad (per googling) it myself. To me it's fine. For ALT0: That it is flown for the 450th anniversary that is sourced, but annually not. Could you adapt that in the article or provide another source? I prefer ALT1, it really seemed notable to me as I read the article and sources on it.
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As there have been a lot of changes lately (due to the new version of the flag of Sark), a lot of informations was getting mixed up, and the history of the flag was becoming difficult to understand.
So I tried to structure the page, with of course precise sources for all the elements cited.
Certain parts concerning the history of the island do not seem useful to me on a page devoted to the flag, apart from those directly linked to the history of the flag.
It seems useful to me to have a section devoted to the traditional flag (Seigneur's flag which became the flag of Sark in 1987), making it clear that on this flag, the lions overflow on the cross.
So I'm opening this topic here to discuss about possible changes or improvements. Oedipe23 ( talk) 17:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
To explain the changes:
It is incorrect to say that the current Sark flag was created by Herbert Pitt. There is no source indicating that the flag with the 'little lions' was used as the flag of Sark before its royal grant.
The College of Arms (and the Queen) only approved a version of the flag (with little lions) proposed by the Seigneur, but it is a new design. So it is not possible to write that the flag existing since 1938 was officially "granted" in 2020.
Before 2020, the flag with the 'big lions' could be considered official. What makes a flag official is its use. And there are many official uses before 2020: The big lion flag was officially displayed in Parliament Square, flown on the island's official buildings (Chief Pleas & Senechal's court), was used for official commemorations, was used when Prince Charles came to the island in 2012 (he even held it), was used as the 'Sark flag' on official Islands Games documents, was recognized as such in Flag Institute documentation and of the Flags and Heraldry Committee, and the 2004 BBC article written with the previous Seigneur clearly states It was adopted as the Sark Flag.
Everything I write is sourced. I have other documents in reserve if I need to further prove these elements. But if you change the meaning of the sentences in the article, please explain why. Oedipe23 ( talk) 19:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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On this page, the leopards are on the first quarter of the St-George cross. But I have many photos (some on official buidings) where we can see that the leopards are supposed to cross over the red bars, like this : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Sark-flag-sized.png/120px-Sark-flag-sized.png. The main picture should be changed (like it was before)
The article for the flag of Normandy describes both that flag and the flag of Sark as containing leopards, not lions. Could some clarification or sourcing be found on this? 75.154.110.206 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC).
Answer : Leopard is the word to name the lion in heraldic when it's walking and the head is facing (but english prefer to use lion passant gardant)
The result was: promoted by
Schwede66 (
talk)
05:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
5x expanded by The C of E ( talk). Self-nominated at 17:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC). General eligibility:
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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|
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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|
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall:
To ALT1: I couldn't find it sourced that the Island Games where in 1985, I wikipediad (per googling) it myself. To me it's fine. For ALT0: That it is flown for the 450th anniversary that is sourced, but annually not. Could you adapt that in the article or provide another source? I prefer ALT1, it really seemed notable to me as I read the article and sources on it.
Paradise Chronicle (
talk)
20:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
As there have been a lot of changes lately (due to the new version of the flag of Sark), a lot of informations was getting mixed up, and the history of the flag was becoming difficult to understand.
So I tried to structure the page, with of course precise sources for all the elements cited.
Certain parts concerning the history of the island do not seem useful to me on a page devoted to the flag, apart from those directly linked to the history of the flag.
It seems useful to me to have a section devoted to the traditional flag (Seigneur's flag which became the flag of Sark in 1987), making it clear that on this flag, the lions overflow on the cross.
So I'm opening this topic here to discuss about possible changes or improvements. Oedipe23 ( talk) 17:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
To explain the changes:
It is incorrect to say that the current Sark flag was created by Herbert Pitt. There is no source indicating that the flag with the 'little lions' was used as the flag of Sark before its royal grant.
The College of Arms (and the Queen) only approved a version of the flag (with little lions) proposed by the Seigneur, but it is a new design. So it is not possible to write that the flag existing since 1938 was officially "granted" in 2020.
Before 2020, the flag with the 'big lions' could be considered official. What makes a flag official is its use. And there are many official uses before 2020: The big lion flag was officially displayed in Parliament Square, flown on the island's official buildings (Chief Pleas & Senechal's court), was used for official commemorations, was used when Prince Charles came to the island in 2012 (he even held it), was used as the 'Sark flag' on official Islands Games documents, was recognized as such in Flag Institute documentation and of the Flags and Heraldry Committee, and the 2004 BBC article written with the previous Seigneur clearly states It was adopted as the Sark Flag.
Everything I write is sourced. I have other documents in reserve if I need to further prove these elements. But if you change the meaning of the sentences in the article, please explain why. Oedipe23 ( talk) 19:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)