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Image:Russian_SFSR_flag_medium.png doesn't exist. 217.132.59.190 17:28, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
I couldn't verify (nor disprove) contribution of 64.228.152.240. Doesn't look like a vandalism, but... Nikola 11:05, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
How is the MOSCOW coat of arms relevant? It is the capital, but it isn't related to the nation's flag.
--- The Moscow coat of arms is that of St. George (Giorgi) and was adopted by the Muscovy before the Russian Empire was proclaimed. It subsequently became the symbol of the state even though the capital was no longer in Moscow. It has no relevance to the flag because it predates the flag of Peter I. Marky 14:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC) markrich
why are the colors red, blue, and white? For example maybe blue is for the water because there is a big lake in russia and whatever I really need to know this because my project on russia is due tommorow.
Pan-Slavic colours. 71.19.6.20 16:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
--- My understanding is that there isn't a reason for the colours. They never meant anything officially (unlike the Ukrainian flag [blue sky, golden wheat field], although many myths have been made to their purpose. The colours were chosen because many flags in Western Europe used red-white-blue as their colours and Peter I adopted those for Russia (subsequently adopted from there to other Slavic states). They weren't chosen only because of the Netherlands flag, although it would have had an influence. The meaning of the flag colours was popular after the dissolution of the
USSR because everything was 'new'. Tradditional flags again became popular (although Lukachenko reversed this for his state and returned a variation of the Soviet
Belorussia flag) after the 'independence' of the
Soviet Republics due to nationalist groups keen on creating a identity continuous with pre-soviet history. Many of those, however, were never independent states prior to their creation by the USSR.
Marky 14:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC) markrich
RussiaPresentation of Russia; Description of the flag; Flag day; Origin of the flag; Supposed color meanings; Flag mourning; Russian flag museum; Flag related ... www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ru.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages Russian FlagAllegedly, he based Russia's flag on the flag of the Netherlands, making it a tricolour with three equal horizontal fields, but he chose Russian colors for ... www.russianstory.com/flag.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.13.9 ( talk) 15:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the tricolor was discarded by the Bolshevik's after the 1917 revolution. This is probably wrong and needs clarification. My understanding is that the Petrograd Soviet changed the flag to the red one (without additional symbols) after the February 1917 revolution and not the Bolsheviks in the October revolution. Marky 14:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC) markrich
The external links don't work as the website moved to http://www.rsnet.ru/
I couldn't find the appropriate pages there, maybe someone who understands the russian language better?
Are the exact colours specified? On Russian sleeping-cars painted in the national colours they are RAL 9016, RAL 5003 and RAL 3001 (though most of the roof is in RAL 7042 as white would look dirty too soon). But this may only be the interpretation of RZD or DWA Görlitz.
-- 84.115.129.76 ( talk) 01:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
The Russian Empire didn't have a flag before 1858. The flag illustrated represents "colours" chosen for "celebrations and notable events" by several Russian monarchs, but these were not exclusively so, or used only as flags. The colours were also used in officer sashes and in cockades. However, the cockade was changed sometimes to black and white, notably by Alexander I. This caused confusion with edits in the flag used in the Battle of Borodino article which displayed the eagle because the eagle was the Imperial symbol (double eagle).
This Imperial symbol was displayed on the standards of every regiment, and the personal flags of all the generals, and indeed the Tsar. The double eagle on the tricolour flag was therefore the most appropriate symbol to use in the article in absence of another image.
For the record, the Russian Imperial Army followed a European convention of flags where the regiments were issued with a regimental and a "King's" (in this case Tsar's) standard, the later being "national". In Russia as elsewhere this was white, representing Peace (the ideal of an ideal monarch), emblazoned with the Imperial symbol, the double eagle.-- mrg3105 ( comms) If you're not taking any flak, you're not over the target. 03:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Given that modern Russia is considered to be the successor state to the USSR, therefore sharing a continuous existence with it, shouldn't the Flag of the Soviet Union be here as well, even if was the flag for more than just Russia? -- superioridad ( discusión) 09:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any sources for the 1668 flag from the Russian frigate Oryol. We know the colors from the historical record, but what's the basis for the cross-like arrangement? -- Amble ( talk) 07:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
The information about the date of "re-adopting" Russian three-colour state flag is not quite correct. On 22. August 1991 only parliamentary decision had been adopted to rise this flag over the building of parliament (White House). This was made under suggestion of deputy Leonid Volkov in order to demonstrate the democratic victory over antidemocratic putchists and continuity of Russian democratic tradition from Russian Revolution of February 1917. To establish this Banner as an permanent state flag it was necessary to change Russian Constitution, what at that moment had not been possible.I, Leonid Volkov, had been that deputy. The event is protocolled. It had been also transmitted by CNN television. — Dr. Leonid Volkov. mail : allikv@mail.ru
Some of that might be true, but I doubt "and continuity of Russian democratic tradition from Russian Revolution of February 1917", since Russia never had a democratic tradition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.214.9.248 ( talk) 10:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
See commons:File talk:Flag of Russia.svg#Found_official_colors. Colors used Russian government in state purchases (zakupki.gov.ru) are Pantone 286 C (#0039a6) and Pantone 485 C (#d52b1e). -- Sasha Krotov ( talk) 21:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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the current shade of colours used in the article is incorrect, there is no real evidence for darkning the colours can someone please restore the original shade of colours as in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/f/f3/20120812153730%21Flag_of_Russia.svg 90.129.78.238 ( talk) 20:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I wonder who came up with (obviously someone from the lower officials) that the middle strip should be dark blue? It's not the US flag. Historical black-and-white photographs show that the middle band is lighter the bottom - this can only happen if it is AZURE, not blue-purple as shown on "current" flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearg ( talk • contribs) 10:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I've seen some ww1 Wikipedia articles use the private 1914 flag with the bird on the top left while some others use the formal flag without it , which one should be there Consistency hobgoblin ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I remember older versions of this article having the flags of the russian empire, so why can't the be re added back into this article? I know they are in a different article, but it would be FAR better if they were in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LockyHimself ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
That section seems to contain advocacy content , violating WP:NOTADVOCACY. I don't think that all Russians who want the end of the war feel the urge to change the national flag. The current flag of Russia is not a symbol of Putin's regime, meanwhile the "proposed" flag (by whom?) doesn't have any connection with the Russian vexillological history. - Dziego~enwiki ( talk) 21:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
The content of the proposed flag section still does not meet the notability guidelines of Wikipedia ( WP:N). The article must provide reliable and independent sources which indicate that the flag is being used by some advocacy group. Has that flag been used in any rally in Russia? Compare, for example, the proposed flag of Belarus, which contains solid proof that it is used by those from the Belarussian people who oppose Lukashenko.
Also, the section title must change from "Flag of Russia (democratic)" to "Proposed flag of democratic Russia". - Dziego~enwiki ( talk) 01:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi
Did you know why Putin's United Russia and pro-Russians in Ukraine used in Donbas and Crimea the previous flag of Russia? -- Panam2014 ( talk) 12:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/a-new-symbol-of-russia-s-anti-war-movement
According to Western symbology expert Michel Pastoureau, when it comes to flags, there are two types of colors. Group one includes gold, yellow, silver, and white, while group two includes colors like red, blue, black, and green. On a well-designed flag, no two colors from the same group should touch; they should be separated by a color from the other group. (In Russia's flag, the blue and red stripes touch.) -- Espoo ( talk) 13:07, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
During the dissolution of the Soviet Union, after the 1991 August Coup, the Russian SFSR adopted a new flag design that looked almost identical to the pre-revolutionary tricolour that had been abolished in 1917. The ratio of the new flag was 1:2, and the flag colours consisted of white on the top, azure in the middle, and scarlet on the bottom. The flag design remained the same until 1993, when the original Russian tricolour was fully restored as the current flag after the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis.
This is what I am changing it to but without a citation to back these statements presented as facts I will have to take the hatchet to this even more. I am moving this statement to a more relevant section where it belongs.
During the dissolution of the Soviet Union, after the 1991 August Coup, the Russian SFSR adopted a new flag design similar to the pre-revolutionary tricolour that had been abolished in 1917. The ratio of the new flag was 1:2, and the flag colours consisted of white on the top, blue in the middle, and red on the bottom. The flag design remained the same until 1993, when the original Russian tricolour was fully restored as the current flag after the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis. The Impartial Truth ( talk) 01:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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There vandalism on the infobox ManU9827 ( talk) 13:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Needs Category:Tricolours flags . 92.71.60.61 ( talk) 13:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledge (based on the Great Russian Encyclopedia article), the flag in 1858 did not replace another one: it was a first proclamation of a national flag. I have introduced {{ cn}} in the text and if there would be no objections, I will replace the text using the GRE as a source. Викидим ( talk) 03:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Image:Russian_SFSR_flag_medium.png doesn't exist. 217.132.59.190 17:28, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
I couldn't verify (nor disprove) contribution of 64.228.152.240. Doesn't look like a vandalism, but... Nikola 11:05, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
How is the MOSCOW coat of arms relevant? It is the capital, but it isn't related to the nation's flag.
--- The Moscow coat of arms is that of St. George (Giorgi) and was adopted by the Muscovy before the Russian Empire was proclaimed. It subsequently became the symbol of the state even though the capital was no longer in Moscow. It has no relevance to the flag because it predates the flag of Peter I. Marky 14:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC) markrich
why are the colors red, blue, and white? For example maybe blue is for the water because there is a big lake in russia and whatever I really need to know this because my project on russia is due tommorow.
Pan-Slavic colours. 71.19.6.20 16:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
--- My understanding is that there isn't a reason for the colours. They never meant anything officially (unlike the Ukrainian flag [blue sky, golden wheat field], although many myths have been made to their purpose. The colours were chosen because many flags in Western Europe used red-white-blue as their colours and Peter I adopted those for Russia (subsequently adopted from there to other Slavic states). They weren't chosen only because of the Netherlands flag, although it would have had an influence. The meaning of the flag colours was popular after the dissolution of the
USSR because everything was 'new'. Tradditional flags again became popular (although Lukachenko reversed this for his state and returned a variation of the Soviet
Belorussia flag) after the 'independence' of the
Soviet Republics due to nationalist groups keen on creating a identity continuous with pre-soviet history. Many of those, however, were never independent states prior to their creation by the USSR.
Marky 14:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC) markrich
RussiaPresentation of Russia; Description of the flag; Flag day; Origin of the flag; Supposed color meanings; Flag mourning; Russian flag museum; Flag related ... www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ru.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages Russian FlagAllegedly, he based Russia's flag on the flag of the Netherlands, making it a tricolour with three equal horizontal fields, but he chose Russian colors for ... www.russianstory.com/flag.html - 12k - Cached - Similar pages —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.13.9 ( talk) 15:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the tricolor was discarded by the Bolshevik's after the 1917 revolution. This is probably wrong and needs clarification. My understanding is that the Petrograd Soviet changed the flag to the red one (without additional symbols) after the February 1917 revolution and not the Bolsheviks in the October revolution. Marky 14:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC) markrich
The external links don't work as the website moved to http://www.rsnet.ru/
I couldn't find the appropriate pages there, maybe someone who understands the russian language better?
Are the exact colours specified? On Russian sleeping-cars painted in the national colours they are RAL 9016, RAL 5003 and RAL 3001 (though most of the roof is in RAL 7042 as white would look dirty too soon). But this may only be the interpretation of RZD or DWA Görlitz.
-- 84.115.129.76 ( talk) 01:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
The Russian Empire didn't have a flag before 1858. The flag illustrated represents "colours" chosen for "celebrations and notable events" by several Russian monarchs, but these were not exclusively so, or used only as flags. The colours were also used in officer sashes and in cockades. However, the cockade was changed sometimes to black and white, notably by Alexander I. This caused confusion with edits in the flag used in the Battle of Borodino article which displayed the eagle because the eagle was the Imperial symbol (double eagle).
This Imperial symbol was displayed on the standards of every regiment, and the personal flags of all the generals, and indeed the Tsar. The double eagle on the tricolour flag was therefore the most appropriate symbol to use in the article in absence of another image.
For the record, the Russian Imperial Army followed a European convention of flags where the regiments were issued with a regimental and a "King's" (in this case Tsar's) standard, the later being "national". In Russia as elsewhere this was white, representing Peace (the ideal of an ideal monarch), emblazoned with the Imperial symbol, the double eagle.-- mrg3105 ( comms) If you're not taking any flak, you're not over the target. 03:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Given that modern Russia is considered to be the successor state to the USSR, therefore sharing a continuous existence with it, shouldn't the Flag of the Soviet Union be here as well, even if was the flag for more than just Russia? -- superioridad ( discusión) 09:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't see any sources for the 1668 flag from the Russian frigate Oryol. We know the colors from the historical record, but what's the basis for the cross-like arrangement? -- Amble ( talk) 07:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
The information about the date of "re-adopting" Russian three-colour state flag is not quite correct. On 22. August 1991 only parliamentary decision had been adopted to rise this flag over the building of parliament (White House). This was made under suggestion of deputy Leonid Volkov in order to demonstrate the democratic victory over antidemocratic putchists and continuity of Russian democratic tradition from Russian Revolution of February 1917. To establish this Banner as an permanent state flag it was necessary to change Russian Constitution, what at that moment had not been possible.I, Leonid Volkov, had been that deputy. The event is protocolled. It had been also transmitted by CNN television. — Dr. Leonid Volkov. mail : allikv@mail.ru
Some of that might be true, but I doubt "and continuity of Russian democratic tradition from Russian Revolution of February 1917", since Russia never had a democratic tradition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.214.9.248 ( talk) 10:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
See commons:File talk:Flag of Russia.svg#Found_official_colors. Colors used Russian government in state purchases (zakupki.gov.ru) are Pantone 286 C (#0039a6) and Pantone 485 C (#d52b1e). -- Sasha Krotov ( talk) 21:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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the current shade of colours used in the article is incorrect, there is no real evidence for darkning the colours can someone please restore the original shade of colours as in http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/f/f3/20120812153730%21Flag_of_Russia.svg 90.129.78.238 ( talk) 20:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I wonder who came up with (obviously someone from the lower officials) that the middle strip should be dark blue? It's not the US flag. Historical black-and-white photographs show that the middle band is lighter the bottom - this can only happen if it is AZURE, not blue-purple as shown on "current" flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bearg ( talk • contribs) 10:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I've seen some ww1 Wikipedia articles use the private 1914 flag with the bird on the top left while some others use the formal flag without it , which one should be there Consistency hobgoblin ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
I remember older versions of this article having the flags of the russian empire, so why can't the be re added back into this article? I know they are in a different article, but it would be FAR better if they were in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LockyHimself ( talk • contribs) 12:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
That section seems to contain advocacy content , violating WP:NOTADVOCACY. I don't think that all Russians who want the end of the war feel the urge to change the national flag. The current flag of Russia is not a symbol of Putin's regime, meanwhile the "proposed" flag (by whom?) doesn't have any connection with the Russian vexillological history. - Dziego~enwiki ( talk) 21:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
The content of the proposed flag section still does not meet the notability guidelines of Wikipedia ( WP:N). The article must provide reliable and independent sources which indicate that the flag is being used by some advocacy group. Has that flag been used in any rally in Russia? Compare, for example, the proposed flag of Belarus, which contains solid proof that it is used by those from the Belarussian people who oppose Lukashenko.
Also, the section title must change from "Flag of Russia (democratic)" to "Proposed flag of democratic Russia". - Dziego~enwiki ( talk) 01:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi
Did you know why Putin's United Russia and pro-Russians in Ukraine used in Donbas and Crimea the previous flag of Russia? -- Panam2014 ( talk) 12:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/a-new-symbol-of-russia-s-anti-war-movement
According to Western symbology expert Michel Pastoureau, when it comes to flags, there are two types of colors. Group one includes gold, yellow, silver, and white, while group two includes colors like red, blue, black, and green. On a well-designed flag, no two colors from the same group should touch; they should be separated by a color from the other group. (In Russia's flag, the blue and red stripes touch.) -- Espoo ( talk) 13:07, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
During the dissolution of the Soviet Union, after the 1991 August Coup, the Russian SFSR adopted a new flag design that looked almost identical to the pre-revolutionary tricolour that had been abolished in 1917. The ratio of the new flag was 1:2, and the flag colours consisted of white on the top, azure in the middle, and scarlet on the bottom. The flag design remained the same until 1993, when the original Russian tricolour was fully restored as the current flag after the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis.
This is what I am changing it to but without a citation to back these statements presented as facts I will have to take the hatchet to this even more. I am moving this statement to a more relevant section where it belongs.
During the dissolution of the Soviet Union, after the 1991 August Coup, the Russian SFSR adopted a new flag design similar to the pre-revolutionary tricolour that had been abolished in 1917. The ratio of the new flag was 1:2, and the flag colours consisted of white on the top, blue in the middle, and red on the bottom. The flag design remained the same until 1993, when the original Russian tricolour was fully restored as the current flag after the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis. The Impartial Truth ( talk) 01:32, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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There vandalism on the infobox ManU9827 ( talk) 13:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Needs Category:Tricolours flags . 92.71.60.61 ( talk) 13:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledge (based on the Great Russian Encyclopedia article), the flag in 1858 did not replace another one: it was a first proclamation of a national flag. I have introduced {{ cn}} in the text and if there would be no objections, I will replace the text using the GRE as a source. Викидим ( talk) 03:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)