We're starting to gather a LOT of information on Romanian flags in general. The Army flags section has grown quite a bit and new stuff is added all the time (such as war flags throughout history). I expect at some point there's be historical flags and so on. I therefore propose to move "Romanian Army flags" and "Romanian historical flags" to their own dedicated pages, and refer to them in a "See also" section. -- Wirespot 21:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Did the three colours of the Romanian Flag represent something, i.e. Yellow for Wallachia, Blue for ... and green for Transylvania ?
--Oct 19, 2005
Yes, they should have standard colours. Who was it that Romania registered its flag with? Try there. Also check official Romanian and Chadian flags. .. Also, the section on Chad needs to be cleaned up a bit. "In an case"... and ... "Chad/Romanian flag is darker" -- RealGrouchy 04:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned up and reorganized much of the info. Some of the changes include:
-- User:Wirespot Sep 19, 2006
Please leave the RGB color codes alone. I've done the conversion from CMYK to RGB both by hand, using these guidelines, and with a graphics editor. In both cases I got #0045e6/#ffe60d/#ff1926. Bogdangiusca, where did you get your RGB codes from? You probably color-picked the current image of the Romanian flag, which, by the way, uses the wrong colors. Either both CMYK and RGB are wrong, or neither. The CMYK codes listed tranform to these RGB codes, not any others.
Speaking of which, I move that we fix both the Romanian and Chadian flag pictures ASAP. As per the new info I added, there are now exact color codes available for both the Romanian and Chadian flags. The Chad blue shade is darker by one Pantone digit. Everything else is the same (ratio and the yellow and red shades).-- wirespot 7 Jan 2006
The flag image has been updated following various discussions. It has been agreed to use the CMYK colors codes as a better approximation, as the Pantone codes produced colors that are generally considered too dark compared to the real thing. Whoever wishes to challenge the colors in the future, please discuss it first, preferrably on the image's talk page. -- Wirespot 07:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
The shade of blue on the flag of Romania obviously looks lighter from the pictures that are here on Wikipedia so for now I have corrected the text to indicate that. Leftist 05:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
According to the Romanian Ministry of National Defence, naval ensign of Romania is same as the Romanian flag: "Pavilionul navei este identic ca forma si culori cu Drapelul Romaniei". Am I right? Cyon 20:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
-- ES Vic 10:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
But naval flags flown on land and naval rank flags are something entirely different from the naval ensign. Cyon 05:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the wording and organization of the army flags section. AFAIK the situation regarding army-related Romanian flags is far by proven fact and badly needs some proof.
On one hand, the war flag is undoubtfully the one showed here, as stated by the Ministry of Defence. The flag of the Land Forces is also clearly depicted on their site.
On the other hand, I haven't been able to locate any proof that the General Staff, Naval Forces or Air Forces flags are indeed the ones claimed here. I have, however, found some conflicting data. As Cyon mentioned above, the Ministry of Defence info on the War Flag states that the Naval Forces war flag is identical to the Romanian flag. However, pictures such as this show Navy people using a flag that's almost identical to the War Flag, except for anchors at the corners instead of crossed swords.
The Romanian Army Flags section at Flags of the World doesn't mention any of these, but quite some other kind of flags. :(
-- wirespot 18 Sep 2006
I've added a picture where one can clearly see the four identification flags. One can find more pictures in with these flags appear at the Official website of the Romanian Presidency. Being new flags, it is hard to find information about them. ES Vic 21:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
As you can see, the Romanian War flag is quite diferent from the national and state flag. Someone should change-add the new FIAV dot codes (or how are they named).
You can get more info on the flag(s) and Coat(s) of Arms of Romania at the Ministry of National Defence of Romania website: (1), or at the following sites, also depenting on the MND of Romania: (2); (3); national flag; coat of arms; war flag (fight flag; drapel de luptǎ) -- ES Vic 10:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
You may notice that the section of flag protocol is a copy&paste from FOTW. No reason for alarm. I have contacted the original author of the translation and obtained permission to do so. Furthermore, this is the text of a law, so according to Romanian copyright law it is automatically placed in the public domain. -- Wirespot 08:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the paragraph cited below, because it is untrue; The coat of arms on the yellow strip pf the Battle flag does not change with the tipe of military unit it represents. Only the emblems in the four corners change! The Coats of arms of the General staff, Land Forces General Staff, Naval Forces General Staff, and Air Force General Staff are used only on their identification flags. * The coat of arms changes the symbol and field color. The symbols are the ones described above. The field color is light blue for the Air Forces, dark blue for the Navy, red for the Land Forces. The General Staff crest is a combination of the other crests. ES Vic 20:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I recieved an official answer that clarifies the description and use of the four Army Identification Flags, and the copyright status of the pictures that have been removes from this site, due to it's uncertain (at that moment) copyright. I reproduce bellow the answer recieved from the Romanian Army Public Relations Office:
in Romanian:
La solicitarea dvs.din data de 26.09.2006 va informam ca Directia Relatii Publice a intreprins demersurile necesare si a primit urmatorul raspuns de la structura competenta, Sectia Traditii Militare si Educatie Civica, pe care il punem la dispozitie mai jos:
Steagul de identificare reprezinta simbolul care promoveaza spiritul de corp si de apartenenta a structurii militare la un grup militar distinct.
Steagul de identificare se compune din hampa si flamura si are urmatoarele elemente de identificare, specifice fiecarei categorii de forte:
Steagul de identificare al Statului Major al Fortelor Terestre are flamura de culoare rosie si sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Fortelor Terestre, iar pe revers pe Sfantul Mare Mucenic Gheorghe, patronul spiritual al Fortelor Terestre;
- Steagul de identificare al Fortelor Navale are flamura de culoare albastra si sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Fortelor Navale si pe revers ocrotitoarea marinarilor – Sfanta Fecioara Maria;
- Steagul de identificare al Fortelor Aeriene are flamura de culoare bleu-albastrui si sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Fortelor Aeriene, iar pe revers patronul spiritual al categoriei de forte, Sfantul Mare Proroc Ilie;
- Steagul de identificare al Statului Major General are flamura de culoare galben deschis, care sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Statului Major General, iar pe revers patronii spirituali ai celor trei categorii de forte.
- Steagurile de identificare pot insoti structurile militare constituite din categoriile de forte amintite in tabere de instruire, aplicatii, misiuni externe si interne.
Sectia Traditii Militare si Educatie Civica nu detine imagini despre steagurile de identificare ale categoriilor de forte, altele decat cele existente deja pe site-ul Ministerului Apararii.
Referitor la statutul copy-right-ului imaginilor de pe site-ul www.mapn.ro, va informam ca, se pot reproduce materiale de pe site dar fara modificarea/trunchierea continutului si precizandu-se sursa.
in English; approximate translation:
With respect to the petition you sent us on September the ninth 2006 we inform you that the Public Relations Officie recieved from the entitled structure, The Section of Military Traditions and Civic Education, the answer provided bellow:
The identification flag represents the symbol that promotes the military corp spirit, and the belonging os a military structure to a distinct military group.
The Identification Flag is made of hoist (mast) and cloth and has the following identification elements, specifric to each force category:
- The Identification Flag of The Land Forces has the field red, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The Land Forces, and on the reverse Saint George - the spiritual patron of The Land Forces;
- The Identification Flag of The Naval Forces has the field blue, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The Naval Forces, and on the reverse the defender of saylors - Saint Virgin Mary;
- The Identification Flag of The Air Forces has the field light-blue, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The Air Forces, and on the reverse the spiritual patrton of the force category - Saint Prophet Ilie;
- The Identification Flag of The General Staff has the field yellow, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The General Staff, and on the reverse the spiritual patrons of the three forces category.
- The Identification Flags can acompany the military structures made up by the above forces category in instruction camps, military applications, axternal and internal missions.
The Section of Military Traditions and Civic Education does not have images with the identification flags of the forces category, others than the ones already existing on the website of tThe Ministry od National Defence.
Regarding the copyright status of the images on the website www.mapn.ro, we inform you that the materials on the website can be reproduced if the content is not modified/fragmented, and the source is specified.
ES Vic 14:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
The picture is wrong, according to the numbers in the article colors should look like this:
While the colors in the current picture look like this:
It's a big difference! --
AdrianTM
13:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The claim that the Romanian flag colours have first been mentioned in the 6th century (535 to be more exact) is clear fiction. This goes back to one single article (Tricolorul romanesc peste veacuri; in: Magazin istoric 9/1970: p. 50-51) that does not even cite its main reference properly, namely the Novella XI (11). The article's author (Marius Bizerea) claims that he has found this in the Vatican Library, but does not say exactly, if this was a manuscript (and if yes, which) or a printed edition (and if yes, which). It is pretty easy to go into a well-sorted library and find one or several printed editions of the Novellae there. Go to number 11 and read the Latin text: you do not have to understand it, you just have to search for the text mentioned ("scutum rubrum" etc.). You will not find it, as it is not there! -- 82.135.74.57 ( talk) 11:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
We're starting to gather a LOT of information on Romanian flags in general. The Army flags section has grown quite a bit and new stuff is added all the time (such as war flags throughout history). I expect at some point there's be historical flags and so on. I therefore propose to move "Romanian Army flags" and "Romanian historical flags" to their own dedicated pages, and refer to them in a "See also" section. -- Wirespot 21:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Did the three colours of the Romanian Flag represent something, i.e. Yellow for Wallachia, Blue for ... and green for Transylvania ?
--Oct 19, 2005
Yes, they should have standard colours. Who was it that Romania registered its flag with? Try there. Also check official Romanian and Chadian flags. .. Also, the section on Chad needs to be cleaned up a bit. "In an case"... and ... "Chad/Romanian flag is darker" -- RealGrouchy 04:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
I've cleaned up and reorganized much of the info. Some of the changes include:
-- User:Wirespot Sep 19, 2006
Please leave the RGB color codes alone. I've done the conversion from CMYK to RGB both by hand, using these guidelines, and with a graphics editor. In both cases I got #0045e6/#ffe60d/#ff1926. Bogdangiusca, where did you get your RGB codes from? You probably color-picked the current image of the Romanian flag, which, by the way, uses the wrong colors. Either both CMYK and RGB are wrong, or neither. The CMYK codes listed tranform to these RGB codes, not any others.
Speaking of which, I move that we fix both the Romanian and Chadian flag pictures ASAP. As per the new info I added, there are now exact color codes available for both the Romanian and Chadian flags. The Chad blue shade is darker by one Pantone digit. Everything else is the same (ratio and the yellow and red shades).-- wirespot 7 Jan 2006
The flag image has been updated following various discussions. It has been agreed to use the CMYK colors codes as a better approximation, as the Pantone codes produced colors that are generally considered too dark compared to the real thing. Whoever wishes to challenge the colors in the future, please discuss it first, preferrably on the image's talk page. -- Wirespot 07:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
The shade of blue on the flag of Romania obviously looks lighter from the pictures that are here on Wikipedia so for now I have corrected the text to indicate that. Leftist 05:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
According to the Romanian Ministry of National Defence, naval ensign of Romania is same as the Romanian flag: "Pavilionul navei este identic ca forma si culori cu Drapelul Romaniei". Am I right? Cyon 20:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
-- ES Vic 10:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
But naval flags flown on land and naval rank flags are something entirely different from the naval ensign. Cyon 05:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the wording and organization of the army flags section. AFAIK the situation regarding army-related Romanian flags is far by proven fact and badly needs some proof.
On one hand, the war flag is undoubtfully the one showed here, as stated by the Ministry of Defence. The flag of the Land Forces is also clearly depicted on their site.
On the other hand, I haven't been able to locate any proof that the General Staff, Naval Forces or Air Forces flags are indeed the ones claimed here. I have, however, found some conflicting data. As Cyon mentioned above, the Ministry of Defence info on the War Flag states that the Naval Forces war flag is identical to the Romanian flag. However, pictures such as this show Navy people using a flag that's almost identical to the War Flag, except for anchors at the corners instead of crossed swords.
The Romanian Army Flags section at Flags of the World doesn't mention any of these, but quite some other kind of flags. :(
-- wirespot 18 Sep 2006
I've added a picture where one can clearly see the four identification flags. One can find more pictures in with these flags appear at the Official website of the Romanian Presidency. Being new flags, it is hard to find information about them. ES Vic 21:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
As you can see, the Romanian War flag is quite diferent from the national and state flag. Someone should change-add the new FIAV dot codes (or how are they named).
You can get more info on the flag(s) and Coat(s) of Arms of Romania at the Ministry of National Defence of Romania website: (1), or at the following sites, also depenting on the MND of Romania: (2); (3); national flag; coat of arms; war flag (fight flag; drapel de luptǎ) -- ES Vic 10:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
You may notice that the section of flag protocol is a copy&paste from FOTW. No reason for alarm. I have contacted the original author of the translation and obtained permission to do so. Furthermore, this is the text of a law, so according to Romanian copyright law it is automatically placed in the public domain. -- Wirespot 08:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I removed the paragraph cited below, because it is untrue; The coat of arms on the yellow strip pf the Battle flag does not change with the tipe of military unit it represents. Only the emblems in the four corners change! The Coats of arms of the General staff, Land Forces General Staff, Naval Forces General Staff, and Air Force General Staff are used only on their identification flags. * The coat of arms changes the symbol and field color. The symbols are the ones described above. The field color is light blue for the Air Forces, dark blue for the Navy, red for the Land Forces. The General Staff crest is a combination of the other crests. ES Vic 20:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I recieved an official answer that clarifies the description and use of the four Army Identification Flags, and the copyright status of the pictures that have been removes from this site, due to it's uncertain (at that moment) copyright. I reproduce bellow the answer recieved from the Romanian Army Public Relations Office:
in Romanian:
La solicitarea dvs.din data de 26.09.2006 va informam ca Directia Relatii Publice a intreprins demersurile necesare si a primit urmatorul raspuns de la structura competenta, Sectia Traditii Militare si Educatie Civica, pe care il punem la dispozitie mai jos:
Steagul de identificare reprezinta simbolul care promoveaza spiritul de corp si de apartenenta a structurii militare la un grup militar distinct.
Steagul de identificare se compune din hampa si flamura si are urmatoarele elemente de identificare, specifice fiecarei categorii de forte:
Steagul de identificare al Statului Major al Fortelor Terestre are flamura de culoare rosie si sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Fortelor Terestre, iar pe revers pe Sfantul Mare Mucenic Gheorghe, patronul spiritual al Fortelor Terestre;
- Steagul de identificare al Fortelor Navale are flamura de culoare albastra si sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Fortelor Navale si pe revers ocrotitoarea marinarilor – Sfanta Fecioara Maria;
- Steagul de identificare al Fortelor Aeriene are flamura de culoare bleu-albastrui si sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Fortelor Aeriene, iar pe revers patronul spiritual al categoriei de forte, Sfantul Mare Proroc Ilie;
- Steagul de identificare al Statului Major General are flamura de culoare galben deschis, care sustine pe avers insemnul heraldic al Statului Major General, iar pe revers patronii spirituali ai celor trei categorii de forte.
- Steagurile de identificare pot insoti structurile militare constituite din categoriile de forte amintite in tabere de instruire, aplicatii, misiuni externe si interne.
Sectia Traditii Militare si Educatie Civica nu detine imagini despre steagurile de identificare ale categoriilor de forte, altele decat cele existente deja pe site-ul Ministerului Apararii.
Referitor la statutul copy-right-ului imaginilor de pe site-ul www.mapn.ro, va informam ca, se pot reproduce materiale de pe site dar fara modificarea/trunchierea continutului si precizandu-se sursa.
in English; approximate translation:
With respect to the petition you sent us on September the ninth 2006 we inform you that the Public Relations Officie recieved from the entitled structure, The Section of Military Traditions and Civic Education, the answer provided bellow:
The identification flag represents the symbol that promotes the military corp spirit, and the belonging os a military structure to a distinct military group.
The Identification Flag is made of hoist (mast) and cloth and has the following identification elements, specifric to each force category:
- The Identification Flag of The Land Forces has the field red, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The Land Forces, and on the reverse Saint George - the spiritual patron of The Land Forces;
- The Identification Flag of The Naval Forces has the field blue, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The Naval Forces, and on the reverse the defender of saylors - Saint Virgin Mary;
- The Identification Flag of The Air Forces has the field light-blue, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The Air Forces, and on the reverse the spiritual patrton of the force category - Saint Prophet Ilie;
- The Identification Flag of The General Staff has the field yellow, charged on the front the heraldic symbol of The General Staff, and on the reverse the spiritual patrons of the three forces category.
- The Identification Flags can acompany the military structures made up by the above forces category in instruction camps, military applications, axternal and internal missions.
The Section of Military Traditions and Civic Education does not have images with the identification flags of the forces category, others than the ones already existing on the website of tThe Ministry od National Defence.
Regarding the copyright status of the images on the website www.mapn.ro, we inform you that the materials on the website can be reproduced if the content is not modified/fragmented, and the source is specified.
ES Vic 14:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
The picture is wrong, according to the numbers in the article colors should look like this:
While the colors in the current picture look like this:
It's a big difference! --
AdrianTM
13:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The claim that the Romanian flag colours have first been mentioned in the 6th century (535 to be more exact) is clear fiction. This goes back to one single article (Tricolorul romanesc peste veacuri; in: Magazin istoric 9/1970: p. 50-51) that does not even cite its main reference properly, namely the Novella XI (11). The article's author (Marius Bizerea) claims that he has found this in the Vatican Library, but does not say exactly, if this was a manuscript (and if yes, which) or a printed edition (and if yes, which). It is pretty easy to go into a well-sorted library and find one or several printed editions of the Novellae there. Go to number 11 and read the Latin text: you do not have to understand it, you just have to search for the text mentioned ("scutum rubrum" etc.). You will not find it, as it is not there! -- 82.135.74.57 ( talk) 11:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)