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- Removed link to NZ Flag.com petition, as it has been withdrawn.
- Removed link to National Front 'save the flag' site, as this has been deleted (points to NF main page)
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Lholden 11:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
It would quite cool to broaden out the section on the flag debate. In the coming years of this debate this page could become really useful as a one-stop-shop for those seeking neutral and all-encompassing information, so I'll set about inviting all those who might be interested (flag designers, campaigners, etc.).
Christiaan 13:43, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Removed section Best design from the talk page as it was off topic - it was general conversation about the article's subject instead of discussing the article
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sinesurfer 00:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the picture which shows the NZ flag in Auckland International Airport, the left part of the NZ flag is slightly torn!
Please forgive me, as I am new to adding/discussing on Wiki. As an amature vexillologist, I have some photographs I took of the Auckland Airport flag; could it be discussed amoungst the page if one of them could be uploaded, so to speak, on this article? Jayswipe ( talk) 01:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)Jayswipe
A number of changes to this page have been made in line with vexillogical terminology. First, the flag is described as a 'defaced' blue ensign, which it is. Putting the information regarding the pre-1840 flags after this also makes sense, IMHO there should be a sub-section of historical flags of New Zealand linking to the list of NZ Flags.
I have also removed the sentence relating to the Commonwealth as this is inaccurate, there was never a requirement that member states of the Commonwealth retain the Union Flag, nor was this ever a requirement under the British Empire - there are many examples of this. The Commonwealth flag is somewhat different from the Union Flag. As I mention in the edit, it was only a requirement for Colonial Government-owned vessels under the Colonial Navy Defence Act.
Also, the current flag didn't become the de facto national flag until c. 1899, around the time of the Boer war. Most historical texts I have seen prior to this time either show the United Tribes flag or the Union Flag as the New Zealand flag, and it wasn't until New Zealand sent troops to fight in South Africa that we really needed a New Zealand Flag except for on our ships. This was why Parliament enacted legislation to set out exactly what the New Zealand Flag was, because of the confusion surrounding the exact design of the flag. -- Lholden 00:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Added 'Other Flags'-- 203.97.163.35 06:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The flag of the Confederation of United Tribes of New Zealand is not depicted correctly. The red cross in the blue canton is fimbriated black, not white (see http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/nz_hist2.html). The stars in the blue canton are eight-pointed, not five-pointed. There was a version gazetted in New South Wales which depicted six-pointed stars and white fimbriation, however it is not the version chosen by the chiefs of the United Tribes.
The article refers to the Union flag as "also known as Union Jack". The Union flag is only correctly termed a "Union Jack" when flown at sea (the name comes from the ship's jack-staff). The two terms are not interchangeable.
I have no feelings either way as to whether there should be a link to the petition (which is at least a real paper one and not an online petition) but would like to point out that we now have to links to the same page (www.nzflag.com). Evil Monkey ∴ Hello? 23:53, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
Someone has re-instated the link to the petition. This petition is to change the flag; it is promoting a particular point-of-view. Unless a link to a petition for keeping the current flag is added then the Wikipedia NPOV rule is broken. Please insert a link to such a petition (if one exists), otherwise I suggest you remove the current link. Arcturus 11:28, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have added a link to the New Zealand Flag Institute. This organisation is opposed to the proposed change to the flag. It is however a vexillological institute, rather than a lobby group. JohnC 16:20, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why not add a link to NZflag.com, it can direct people towards the petition, but in itself just contains information. ( Bennyj600 ( talk) 04:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC))
We should work at citing some sources for all the "some think this" and "some think that" sentences we currently have. — Christiaan 08:51, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article claims that opinion polls indicate a majority are in favour of keeping the current flag. I cannot recall ever seeing such a poll and this link at the nzflag.com website suggests likewise that this is not true [1]. Of course the nzflag.com is obviously not a neutral site but this is a NZ Herald editorial so I highly doubt it will be lying about opinion polls. If no one is able to source/reference the opinion polls I will change it... Nil Einne 09:47, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Never heard of such a thing.-- Exult 04:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Flag ratio: 1:2 It looks to me as though this symbol is actually 2:3 not 1:2. I know zip about flags, but one would presume that a 1:2 ratio would indicate that the flag is two units across for every one up. But that symbol has three for every two. -- LeftyG 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
As I said, I know nothing about flags :-) Cheers. I think it would be an idea to link it to Vexillogical symbol as that would clear it up for a lot of people. -- LeftyG 09:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed the text since the previous version was balanced between pro- and anti- change opinions with decent sized chunks for both sides. The new material is inherently NPOV (showing an alternative flag) in the pro-change group's favour.
The removed text can be seen
here. (link doesn't seem to work)
Greentubing 22:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Sorry about the mess i made of the NZ flag Page, As you people may have gathered I am very new to Wikipedia (i was invited by somebody to add my info a while back. Sorry for any inconvience caused nzflag.info
From 1869 to 1902 the Jack was one of New Zealand's official flags. It was a Union Jack with four white stars,. Anyone? Moriori 07:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
(back to margin)
Cheers JPD. If this Governor's flag was indeed used as a nat'l flag then it could be included in the article. IMO if it was just a Governor's flag then it probably doesn't need to be included.
Greentubing 09:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
This particular flag still bugs me. Yes, the design resulted from a misinterpretation of instructions. But that has nothing to do with the raison d'être. New Zealand Yesteryears, ISBN 0-949-81940-9, (page 29) has illustrations of the Jack (the image shown above right), The Ensign and the Pendant and describes them all as "official New Zealand flags from 1869 to 1902". A passage in the text says the following --" Until 1867 New Zealand flew unadulterated British colours on land and sea. In that year the Colonial Office required all colonial ships to wear the blue ensign with their national ensign in the fly. New Zealand had no national badge so the Postmaster General settled on a large, red and ugly "NZ" to embellish the flag. Two years later finer tastes prevailed and the four principle stars of the Southern Cross were chosen as the country's badge. On the ensign they appeared as four five-pointed red stars with white borders, on the Union Jack as white stars in the red ground on the St George's Cross, and on the pendant clustered in red near the staff." It is extremely difficult to interpret that as not defining the Jack as an official flag of NZ. It is even more difficult to somehow interpret it as saying the Jack was for use only by the Governor, who isn't mentioned anywhere. We risk revising history here and it seems to me further research is needed. Moriori 03:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
A timeline of events in the flag debate would be a useful reference, IMHO: May 1973: Labour Party Congress - a call to change the flag was squashed. Nov 1979: a proposal to place the silver fern on the fly appeared. 1980: several suggestions arose, including one from the government to consider a new flag, and a newspaper article calling for the same. One suggestion was to use the NZ-ZN in blue and red on a white field, from the flag that was used for the 1974 Commonwealth Games. Early 1980's: D.A. Bayle introduced a blue-white-blue flag with a blue koru as a proposal. March 1983: F. Hundertwasser introduced the green koru. 1984: a black and white koru with stars was proposed, and a black flag with four white fimbriated red stars was suggested from a newspaper competition. Dec 1988: a modified Titman proposal (almost identical to an AusFlag proposal in 1997 for Australia). 1989: at a party conference a call for a new flag was defeated 144:156. 1990: the winning flag in another newspaper competition was a blue-white-green horizontally striped flag, ratios about 8:2:3, with four white stars on the blue stripe in the fly. Another flag seen around 1990 was a blue-yellow-green horizontally striped flag in approximately 10:1:8 ratio. 1994: J. Park proposed a black flag, the UJ in the canton, with white kiwi and ferns in the fly. 1998: James Dignan initiated discussion leading to a white fern above a red diagonal on a black field. 1999: above design modified to white fern on black. May 2000: proposed designs still appearing, including black-white-green tricolour, with four gold stars and a koru.
-- Lholden 07:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Is the blue color of the NZ flag slightly different from the Aussie one? -- Howard the Duck 15:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I propose separating general information about the NZ flag from the specific information of Flag Reform/Debate because:
[1] Flag debate is now a majority of the content with 1222 words versus 3146 words for the entire entry so one subject of the page overwhelms the general subject.
[2] The underlying subject matter is significant regardless of the viewer’s opinion on flag reform - both sides through the ferocity of their debate deem this subject as important and important subjects deserve their own page on Wiki.
[3] Separating general flag information from specific flag reform and debate is the same format used by the Australian [
Australian Flag |
Australian flag debate] and Canadan [
Flag of Canada |
Great Flag Debate ] wiki entries.
The subject of flag debate would not be removed but would be replaced with a summary and link to the new page, I invite your feedback and opinions on this matter.
Sinesurfer (
talk) 00:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Have finally moved "New Zealand Flag Debate" to a seperate page from the "New Zealand Flag", had a little trouble removing the redirect -twice- but it's now gone and the new page is working fine. (the move was made on 24/12/2009 and this discussion was updated the following evening. --Sinesurfer 10:56, 25 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
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Hi! Here are the flags you can pick for New Zealand flags. The normal,Red allover then blue stars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.170.14 ( talk) 02:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
If the blue is PMS 293 C, then the colours aren't the same as the Union Flag, which has PMS 280 C in the latest version of Flags of All Nations (UK MOD flag book) if FOTW is to be believed. Does New Zealand have its own specifications separate from the UK (like how it is in Australia?) 118.90.92.132 ( talk) 02:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.161.193 ( talk) 02:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
This section is getting very messy, sort of like a free for all. I think we ought to establish some guidelines for adding flags to this section:
I've blanked out one paragraph that doesn't meet these guidelines. Thoughts? -- Lholden ( talk) 00:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The reasoning behind moving flag debate into its own page was because it is more than half of the page (going by word count) so it's overwhelmed the original subject. Second, it's a separate subject and sub-set of the flag in general. To be honest, I thought I'd already moved debate to a separate page a year ago.
For the criteria of a New Zealand Flag then I'd suggest this is a flag that [1] identifies the state of New Zealand and [2] has the consent of the Head of State. This criteria would mean moving flag debate and the service flags (RNZN, RNZAF) to their own pages just as the Flag of the Governor-General of New Zealand has it's own page. Refering to the flag debate and the service flags on the NZ Flag page would be necessary, just don't carry the entire entry on the national flag page. -- K Stephens ( talk) 11:16, 31 Aubust 2009 (UTC)
Are the blue textures of these two flags the same or are they supposed to be different? The blues of these two flags in Wikipedia are slightly different and I am not sure if this is correct or not. Thanks, Miguel.mateo ( talk) 02:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
the flag of New Zealand has four stars and the southern cross with a blue back round. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.241.176 ( talk) 05:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Have removed the Tino rangatiratanga flag from the Gallery section of "Many other flags also contain the Southern Cross"?
I have hidden the Tino rangatiratanga flag from the gallery because
The flags of Australia, Fiji, Niue & Tokelau are examples of flags that contain the Southern Cross.
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ) 04:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinesurfer ( talk • contribs)
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ)
On the point about consensus, there was no consensus to include a flag that is not part of the page subject in the first place. It would have been better to apply a test of relationship to the subject and the consensus test when the flag was included.
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ) 05:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ) 09:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinesurfer ( talk • contribs)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinesurfer ( talk • contribs) 06:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Interesting debate but do you intend to add something about protocol for using the nz flag, when to fly your flag and why do you have almost as many flags on your page as the flags of new zealand page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.158.250 ( talk) 06:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Viewing this page on a Mobile Device displays the incorrect flag -- if you view the desktop or mobile page via a portable device (mine is an iPhone, but it is occurring on android as well) it displays the blue black silver fern with the southern cross stars. Could this be due to caching? It does not occur on desktop PCs. I find this behaviour oddly inconsistent with the website. Can someone please investigate this further.
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- Removed link to NZ Flag.com petition, as it has been withdrawn.
- Removed link to National Front 'save the flag' site, as this has been deleted (points to NF main page)
--
Lholden 11:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
It would quite cool to broaden out the section on the flag debate. In the coming years of this debate this page could become really useful as a one-stop-shop for those seeking neutral and all-encompassing information, so I'll set about inviting all those who might be interested (flag designers, campaigners, etc.).
Christiaan 13:43, 1 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Removed section Best design from the talk page as it was off topic - it was general conversation about the article's subject instead of discussing the article
--
sinesurfer 00:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the picture which shows the NZ flag in Auckland International Airport, the left part of the NZ flag is slightly torn!
Please forgive me, as I am new to adding/discussing on Wiki. As an amature vexillologist, I have some photographs I took of the Auckland Airport flag; could it be discussed amoungst the page if one of them could be uploaded, so to speak, on this article? Jayswipe ( talk) 01:26, 22 May 2009 (UTC)Jayswipe
A number of changes to this page have been made in line with vexillogical terminology. First, the flag is described as a 'defaced' blue ensign, which it is. Putting the information regarding the pre-1840 flags after this also makes sense, IMHO there should be a sub-section of historical flags of New Zealand linking to the list of NZ Flags.
I have also removed the sentence relating to the Commonwealth as this is inaccurate, there was never a requirement that member states of the Commonwealth retain the Union Flag, nor was this ever a requirement under the British Empire - there are many examples of this. The Commonwealth flag is somewhat different from the Union Flag. As I mention in the edit, it was only a requirement for Colonial Government-owned vessels under the Colonial Navy Defence Act.
Also, the current flag didn't become the de facto national flag until c. 1899, around the time of the Boer war. Most historical texts I have seen prior to this time either show the United Tribes flag or the Union Flag as the New Zealand flag, and it wasn't until New Zealand sent troops to fight in South Africa that we really needed a New Zealand Flag except for on our ships. This was why Parliament enacted legislation to set out exactly what the New Zealand Flag was, because of the confusion surrounding the exact design of the flag. -- Lholden 00:26, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Added 'Other Flags'-- 203.97.163.35 06:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
The flag of the Confederation of United Tribes of New Zealand is not depicted correctly. The red cross in the blue canton is fimbriated black, not white (see http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/nz_hist2.html). The stars in the blue canton are eight-pointed, not five-pointed. There was a version gazetted in New South Wales which depicted six-pointed stars and white fimbriation, however it is not the version chosen by the chiefs of the United Tribes.
The article refers to the Union flag as "also known as Union Jack". The Union flag is only correctly termed a "Union Jack" when flown at sea (the name comes from the ship's jack-staff). The two terms are not interchangeable.
I have no feelings either way as to whether there should be a link to the petition (which is at least a real paper one and not an online petition) but would like to point out that we now have to links to the same page (www.nzflag.com). Evil Monkey ∴ Hello? 23:53, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
Someone has re-instated the link to the petition. This petition is to change the flag; it is promoting a particular point-of-view. Unless a link to a petition for keeping the current flag is added then the Wikipedia NPOV rule is broken. Please insert a link to such a petition (if one exists), otherwise I suggest you remove the current link. Arcturus 11:28, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have added a link to the New Zealand Flag Institute. This organisation is opposed to the proposed change to the flag. It is however a vexillological institute, rather than a lobby group. JohnC 16:20, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why not add a link to NZflag.com, it can direct people towards the petition, but in itself just contains information. ( Bennyj600 ( talk) 04:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC))
We should work at citing some sources for all the "some think this" and "some think that" sentences we currently have. — Christiaan 08:51, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article claims that opinion polls indicate a majority are in favour of keeping the current flag. I cannot recall ever seeing such a poll and this link at the nzflag.com website suggests likewise that this is not true [1]. Of course the nzflag.com is obviously not a neutral site but this is a NZ Herald editorial so I highly doubt it will be lying about opinion polls. If no one is able to source/reference the opinion polls I will change it... Nil Einne 09:47, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Never heard of such a thing.-- Exult 04:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Flag ratio: 1:2 It looks to me as though this symbol is actually 2:3 not 1:2. I know zip about flags, but one would presume that a 1:2 ratio would indicate that the flag is two units across for every one up. But that symbol has three for every two. -- LeftyG 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
As I said, I know nothing about flags :-) Cheers. I think it would be an idea to link it to Vexillogical symbol as that would clear it up for a lot of people. -- LeftyG 09:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I removed the text since the previous version was balanced between pro- and anti- change opinions with decent sized chunks for both sides. The new material is inherently NPOV (showing an alternative flag) in the pro-change group's favour.
The removed text can be seen
here. (link doesn't seem to work)
Greentubing 22:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Sorry about the mess i made of the NZ flag Page, As you people may have gathered I am very new to Wikipedia (i was invited by somebody to add my info a while back. Sorry for any inconvience caused nzflag.info
From 1869 to 1902 the Jack was one of New Zealand's official flags. It was a Union Jack with four white stars,. Anyone? Moriori 07:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
(back to margin)
Cheers JPD. If this Governor's flag was indeed used as a nat'l flag then it could be included in the article. IMO if it was just a Governor's flag then it probably doesn't need to be included.
Greentubing 09:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
This particular flag still bugs me. Yes, the design resulted from a misinterpretation of instructions. But that has nothing to do with the raison d'être. New Zealand Yesteryears, ISBN 0-949-81940-9, (page 29) has illustrations of the Jack (the image shown above right), The Ensign and the Pendant and describes them all as "official New Zealand flags from 1869 to 1902". A passage in the text says the following --" Until 1867 New Zealand flew unadulterated British colours on land and sea. In that year the Colonial Office required all colonial ships to wear the blue ensign with their national ensign in the fly. New Zealand had no national badge so the Postmaster General settled on a large, red and ugly "NZ" to embellish the flag. Two years later finer tastes prevailed and the four principle stars of the Southern Cross were chosen as the country's badge. On the ensign they appeared as four five-pointed red stars with white borders, on the Union Jack as white stars in the red ground on the St George's Cross, and on the pendant clustered in red near the staff." It is extremely difficult to interpret that as not defining the Jack as an official flag of NZ. It is even more difficult to somehow interpret it as saying the Jack was for use only by the Governor, who isn't mentioned anywhere. We risk revising history here and it seems to me further research is needed. Moriori 03:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
A timeline of events in the flag debate would be a useful reference, IMHO: May 1973: Labour Party Congress - a call to change the flag was squashed. Nov 1979: a proposal to place the silver fern on the fly appeared. 1980: several suggestions arose, including one from the government to consider a new flag, and a newspaper article calling for the same. One suggestion was to use the NZ-ZN in blue and red on a white field, from the flag that was used for the 1974 Commonwealth Games. Early 1980's: D.A. Bayle introduced a blue-white-blue flag with a blue koru as a proposal. March 1983: F. Hundertwasser introduced the green koru. 1984: a black and white koru with stars was proposed, and a black flag with four white fimbriated red stars was suggested from a newspaper competition. Dec 1988: a modified Titman proposal (almost identical to an AusFlag proposal in 1997 for Australia). 1989: at a party conference a call for a new flag was defeated 144:156. 1990: the winning flag in another newspaper competition was a blue-white-green horizontally striped flag, ratios about 8:2:3, with four white stars on the blue stripe in the fly. Another flag seen around 1990 was a blue-yellow-green horizontally striped flag in approximately 10:1:8 ratio. 1994: J. Park proposed a black flag, the UJ in the canton, with white kiwi and ferns in the fly. 1998: James Dignan initiated discussion leading to a white fern above a red diagonal on a black field. 1999: above design modified to white fern on black. May 2000: proposed designs still appearing, including black-white-green tricolour, with four gold stars and a koru.
-- Lholden 07:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Is the blue color of the NZ flag slightly different from the Aussie one? -- Howard the Duck 15:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I propose separating general information about the NZ flag from the specific information of Flag Reform/Debate because:
[1] Flag debate is now a majority of the content with 1222 words versus 3146 words for the entire entry so one subject of the page overwhelms the general subject.
[2] The underlying subject matter is significant regardless of the viewer’s opinion on flag reform - both sides through the ferocity of their debate deem this subject as important and important subjects deserve their own page on Wiki.
[3] Separating general flag information from specific flag reform and debate is the same format used by the Australian [
Australian Flag |
Australian flag debate] and Canadan [
Flag of Canada |
Great Flag Debate ] wiki entries.
The subject of flag debate would not be removed but would be replaced with a summary and link to the new page, I invite your feedback and opinions on this matter.
Sinesurfer (
talk) 00:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Have finally moved "New Zealand Flag Debate" to a seperate page from the "New Zealand Flag", had a little trouble removing the redirect -twice- but it's now gone and the new page is working fine. (the move was made on 24/12/2009 and this discussion was updated the following evening. --Sinesurfer 10:56, 25 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Sinesurfer (
talk •
contribs)
Hi! Here are the flags you can pick for New Zealand flags. The normal,Red allover then blue stars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.170.14 ( talk) 02:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
If the blue is PMS 293 C, then the colours aren't the same as the Union Flag, which has PMS 280 C in the latest version of Flags of All Nations (UK MOD flag book) if FOTW is to be believed. Does New Zealand have its own specifications separate from the UK (like how it is in Australia?) 118.90.92.132 ( talk) 02:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.161.193 ( talk) 02:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
This section is getting very messy, sort of like a free for all. I think we ought to establish some guidelines for adding flags to this section:
I've blanked out one paragraph that doesn't meet these guidelines. Thoughts? -- Lholden ( talk) 00:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The reasoning behind moving flag debate into its own page was because it is more than half of the page (going by word count) so it's overwhelmed the original subject. Second, it's a separate subject and sub-set of the flag in general. To be honest, I thought I'd already moved debate to a separate page a year ago.
For the criteria of a New Zealand Flag then I'd suggest this is a flag that [1] identifies the state of New Zealand and [2] has the consent of the Head of State. This criteria would mean moving flag debate and the service flags (RNZN, RNZAF) to their own pages just as the Flag of the Governor-General of New Zealand has it's own page. Refering to the flag debate and the service flags on the NZ Flag page would be necessary, just don't carry the entire entry on the national flag page. -- K Stephens ( talk) 11:16, 31 Aubust 2009 (UTC)
Are the blue textures of these two flags the same or are they supposed to be different? The blues of these two flags in Wikipedia are slightly different and I am not sure if this is correct or not. Thanks, Miguel.mateo ( talk) 02:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
the flag of New Zealand has four stars and the southern cross with a blue back round. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.152.241.176 ( talk) 05:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Have removed the Tino rangatiratanga flag from the Gallery section of "Many other flags also contain the Southern Cross"?
I have hidden the Tino rangatiratanga flag from the gallery because
The flags of Australia, Fiji, Niue & Tokelau are examples of flags that contain the Southern Cross.
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ) 04:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinesurfer ( talk • contribs)
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ)
On the point about consensus, there was no consensus to include a flag that is not part of the page subject in the first place. It would have been better to apply a test of relationship to the subject and the consensus test when the flag was included.
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ) 05:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
-- Karl Stephens (Auckland, NZ) 09:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinesurfer ( talk • contribs)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinesurfer ( talk • contribs) 06:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Interesting debate but do you intend to add something about protocol for using the nz flag, when to fly your flag and why do you have almost as many flags on your page as the flags of new zealand page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.158.250 ( talk) 06:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Viewing this page on a Mobile Device displays the incorrect flag -- if you view the desktop or mobile page via a portable device (mine is an iPhone, but it is occurring on android as well) it displays the blue black silver fern with the southern cross stars. Could this be due to caching? It does not occur on desktop PCs. I find this behaviour oddly inconsistent with the website. Can someone please investigate this further.
-Stewart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.57.126 ( talk) 06:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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