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A Generalfeldmarschall is not a Five-star-rank, obviously there are no stars - but marshal batons. The Five-star-rank is a US-terminology not a German. Consequently an encyclopedia could / should writes " is comparable with Five-star-ranks" but not "is a Five-star-rank. That's may be sophisticated, but an encyclopedia should be as correct as it can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.158.219.94 ( talk • contribs) 13 November 2017 (UTC)
A five-star rank is a very senior military rank, first established in the United States in 1944, with a five-star general insignia, [1] and corresponding ranks in other countries. The rank is that of the most senior operational military commanders, and within NATO's "standard rank scale" it is designated by the code OF-10.
I understand what you are saying, but I think "5-star ranks" is actually a term that NATO uses, albeit of American origin, and not necessarily one implying that such an insignia is used by other countries for the ranks in question. It is worth noting, however, that other Allied countries used the generals=stars insignia is some cases, e.g British major generals and lieutenant generals using car license plates with 2 and 3 stars, respectively, rather than the actual British Army insignia for those ranks. The practicality of that is pretty obvious. Venqax ( talk) 19:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
References
The way I see it, there are two options.
All "x-star" pages are collected into one page. I have no idea why there currently are pages for each, seeing as it is basically repetition, with the names and images of the ranks. Then the ranks of different countries could be collected into table(s) like this one:
Star rank | Five-star rank | Four-star rank | Three-star rank | Two-star rank | One-star rank |
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General of the Army | General | Lieutenant general | Major general | Brigadier general | |
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etc. |
Delete "x-star" pages. Even with the collection of pages, there still aren't enough references to support the material and fails Notability. Skjoldbro ( talk) 09:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Note: The suggestion to merge has been mentioned previously, at: Talk:General of the Armies#Merge (and the discussion I mentioned above can be found at: Talk:Admiral of the Navy (United_States)#Higher rank review) fyi - wolf 21:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
There seems to be a basic misunderstanding here that is on-going. The term "5-star rank" applies to the rank--as the title says-- not whatever insignia is used for it. Though the terminology originated with the US, it is NOT a US specific term. It is standard terminology today, not only with NATO (where it is OF-10), but around the world. It has nothing to do with "how many" stars are actually used (yes, Marshal of France uses 7 stars, but it is a 5-star rank) or if they are used at all (yes, Field Marshal is a 5-star rank). This "problem" is no different from arguing that Yellow Cabs are not really Yellow Cabs because they are orange and black in color. Yellow is the name of the company, for whatever reason. What color their cabs actually are is a completely different question. If it seems US-centric, it's because the world's military rank system is a bit US-centric, not because the writer of the article is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venqax ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
It is standard terminology [...] around the world, is an exaggeration. As I stated above, I have only been able to find a limited amount of sources to verify that countries use this terminology. Skjoldbro ( talk) 08:32, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why the rank of Italian Army General is included on this list - the picture of the shoulder boards very clearly shows four stars, and there's no indication that the rank is higher than a normal, 4-star general. Does anyone know if the rank is in fact equivalent and my assumption incorrect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.2.211.250 ( talk) 04:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I second that question. The modern Italian general rank is listed as a "five star" rank in other Wikipedia entries as well, without explanation. Venqax ( talk) 19:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
This is not a "ceremonial" rank in the United States Army. Eisenhower, Pershing, Bradley were all Five Star Generals. There's probably others. My understanding is this rank is used in wartime to establish parity with other nations that have a rank of Field Marshall. 139.138.6.121 ( talk) 16:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
There seems to be a basic misunderstanding here that is on-going. The term "5-star rank" applies to the rank--as the title says-- not whatever insignia is used for it. Though the terminology originated with the US, it is NOT a US specific term. It is standard terminology today, not only with NATO (where it is OF-10), but around the world. It has nothing to do with "how many" stars are actually used (yes, Marshal of France uses 7 stars, but it is a 5-star rank) or if they are used at all (yes, Field Marshal is a 5-star rank). This "problem" is no different from arguing that Yellow Cabs are not really Yellow Cabs because they are orange and black in color. Yellow is the name of the company, for whatever reason. What color their cabs actually are is a completely different question. If it seems US-centric, it's because the world's military rank system is a bit US-centric, not because the writer of the article is. Venqax ( talk) 21:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)x
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The article starts with the sentence "A five-star rank is the second highest military rank in the United States" but the provided citation does not even say that. MrGoodEgg ( talk) 18:20, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Although only used during World War 2, the 5-Star ranks were created so that American flag officers could command and coordinate entire Allied fronts during the war. The General of the Army, Fleet Admiral and later General of the Air Force were lifetime appointments that conferred active duty pay even in retirement. There have been no appointments since Hap Arnold was made a 5-star General of the Air Force (GAF) in 1949 after the US Air Force separated from the US Army in 1947. It is still part of the regular rank tables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspur23 ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Omar Bradley was promoted to General of the Army in 1950. That was the last time the rank was granted and it, too, was for reasons of protocol. The ranks were originally created as temporary and war-time only, like the 3 and 4 star ranks created for WW1 had been. It was later that they were made lifetime appointments. Venqax ( talk) 20:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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A Generalfeldmarschall is not a Five-star-rank, obviously there are no stars - but marshal batons. The Five-star-rank is a US-terminology not a German. Consequently an encyclopedia could / should writes " is comparable with Five-star-ranks" but not "is a Five-star-rank. That's may be sophisticated, but an encyclopedia should be as correct as it can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.158.219.94 ( talk • contribs) 13 November 2017 (UTC)
A five-star rank is a very senior military rank, first established in the United States in 1944, with a five-star general insignia, [1] and corresponding ranks in other countries. The rank is that of the most senior operational military commanders, and within NATO's "standard rank scale" it is designated by the code OF-10.
I understand what you are saying, but I think "5-star ranks" is actually a term that NATO uses, albeit of American origin, and not necessarily one implying that such an insignia is used by other countries for the ranks in question. It is worth noting, however, that other Allied countries used the generals=stars insignia is some cases, e.g British major generals and lieutenant generals using car license plates with 2 and 3 stars, respectively, rather than the actual British Army insignia for those ranks. The practicality of that is pretty obvious. Venqax ( talk) 19:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
References
The way I see it, there are two options.
All "x-star" pages are collected into one page. I have no idea why there currently are pages for each, seeing as it is basically repetition, with the names and images of the ranks. Then the ranks of different countries could be collected into table(s) like this one:
Star rank | Five-star rank | Four-star rank | Three-star rank | Two-star rank | One-star rank |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
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General of the Army | General | Lieutenant general | Major general | Brigadier general | |
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etc. |
Delete "x-star" pages. Even with the collection of pages, there still aren't enough references to support the material and fails Notability. Skjoldbro ( talk) 09:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Note: The suggestion to merge has been mentioned previously, at: Talk:General of the Armies#Merge (and the discussion I mentioned above can be found at: Talk:Admiral of the Navy (United_States)#Higher rank review) fyi - wolf 21:06, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
There seems to be a basic misunderstanding here that is on-going. The term "5-star rank" applies to the rank--as the title says-- not whatever insignia is used for it. Though the terminology originated with the US, it is NOT a US specific term. It is standard terminology today, not only with NATO (where it is OF-10), but around the world. It has nothing to do with "how many" stars are actually used (yes, Marshal of France uses 7 stars, but it is a 5-star rank) or if they are used at all (yes, Field Marshal is a 5-star rank). This "problem" is no different from arguing that Yellow Cabs are not really Yellow Cabs because they are orange and black in color. Yellow is the name of the company, for whatever reason. What color their cabs actually are is a completely different question. If it seems US-centric, it's because the world's military rank system is a bit US-centric, not because the writer of the article is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venqax ( talk • contribs) 21:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
It is standard terminology [...] around the world, is an exaggeration. As I stated above, I have only been able to find a limited amount of sources to verify that countries use this terminology. Skjoldbro ( talk) 08:32, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm confused as to why the rank of Italian Army General is included on this list - the picture of the shoulder boards very clearly shows four stars, and there's no indication that the rank is higher than a normal, 4-star general. Does anyone know if the rank is in fact equivalent and my assumption incorrect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.2.211.250 ( talk) 04:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
I second that question. The modern Italian general rank is listed as a "five star" rank in other Wikipedia entries as well, without explanation. Venqax ( talk) 19:35, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
This is not a "ceremonial" rank in the United States Army. Eisenhower, Pershing, Bradley were all Five Star Generals. There's probably others. My understanding is this rank is used in wartime to establish parity with other nations that have a rank of Field Marshall. 139.138.6.121 ( talk) 16:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
There seems to be a basic misunderstanding here that is on-going. The term "5-star rank" applies to the rank--as the title says-- not whatever insignia is used for it. Though the terminology originated with the US, it is NOT a US specific term. It is standard terminology today, not only with NATO (where it is OF-10), but around the world. It has nothing to do with "how many" stars are actually used (yes, Marshal of France uses 7 stars, but it is a 5-star rank) or if they are used at all (yes, Field Marshal is a 5-star rank). This "problem" is no different from arguing that Yellow Cabs are not really Yellow Cabs because they are orange and black in color. Yellow is the name of the company, for whatever reason. What color their cabs actually are is a completely different question. If it seems US-centric, it's because the world's military rank system is a bit US-centric, not because the writer of the article is. Venqax ( talk) 21:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)x
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The article starts with the sentence "A five-star rank is the second highest military rank in the United States" but the provided citation does not even say that. MrGoodEgg ( talk) 18:20, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Although only used during World War 2, the 5-Star ranks were created so that American flag officers could command and coordinate entire Allied fronts during the war. The General of the Army, Fleet Admiral and later General of the Air Force were lifetime appointments that conferred active duty pay even in retirement. There have been no appointments since Hap Arnold was made a 5-star General of the Air Force (GAF) in 1949 after the US Air Force separated from the US Army in 1947. It is still part of the regular rank tables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotspur23 ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Omar Bradley was promoted to General of the Army in 1950. That was the last time the rank was granted and it, too, was for reasons of protocol. The ranks were originally created as temporary and war-time only, like the 3 and 4 star ranks created for WW1 had been. It was later that they were made lifetime appointments. Venqax ( talk) 20:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)