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Is it better to have the People section arranged by chronology or alphabet?-- shtove 22:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
What is known about the Gerald the lineage descends from? Nothing? I always thought that we/they descended from Giraldus Cambrensis, but it seems he was a FitzGerald's nephew. So unless the Normans were into time travelling and paternal paradoxes, then... Geno-Supremo ( talk) 16:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
How does "Fitz" mean "illegitimate son"? Doesn't it just mean "son of"? Henry II was called "FitzEmpress," but he was obviously not illegitimate. john k 08:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There is nothing to suggest "illegitimate" in the name at all. I have no idea where that came from! This article needs lots of work, its well below par...oh well, will do it bit by bit! Barryfitzgerald ( talk) 17:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I have to protest against this title for the article. The FitzGeralds are a) not a British Royal "House" like Stuart or Tudor or Plantagenet, b) not a continental "noble house" like the House of Rochechouart, and c) not a Gaelic royal family like the House of O'Donnell of Tyrconnell. The have their origins as Norman-Welsh adventurers and supporters of the English Crown in Ireland. They are not a "house". DinDraithou ( talk) 19:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I am pleased to announce the creations of James FitzGerald, 6th Earl of Desmond, and his son Thomas FitzGerald, 7th Earl of Desmond. When I create more, including the Barons Desmond, I will announce them too. DinDraithou ( talk) 20:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I have added Áine to the FitzGerald category. It would be nice if someone could discover any stories other than the one mentioned in her article. DinDraithou ( talk) 01:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Are they really a dynasty? most noble families are referred to as families, although some are called house. I think the FitzGerald Family would be best. Dynasty implies they ruled or held some position. Possibly the Earldom of Desmond? but this article covers more than that dynasty. 71.194.44.209 ( talk) 06:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
References to the Gherardini ancestry being a hoax and there being no Dominus Otho from a Florentine lineage must be listed. The article is lacking sources. For example, I've found these which contradict that very premise here: http://books.google.com/books?id=NuZBAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=dominus+otto+gherardini&source=bl&ots=w-jIKwz5e4&sig=bsAGnd0LYIRCyLsV5b1Evx3ce0s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mZAQUdbzE4iy9gTd9oCIDA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
And here: http://books.google.com/books?id=OxWy3extxxgC&pg=PA230&lpg=PA230&dq=otto+degli+gherardini&source=bl&ots=sncieYiO2t&sig=PQJYQLBctHdU9vqezCjbqZ-4abE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1pEQUb7zCZOC9QT2pIGwCw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg 99.43.166.79 ( talk) 05:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC) anon
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I feel as though this article's introduction needs some improvement. It just seems like a lot of information and names that one could get lost while reading it and not fully understand what they are reading, I also could not find any citations for the introduction so I am also wondering where a lot of that information came from. I also could not find any sources for the lineages of any of the houses of Fitzgerald, so that should also be more plainly shown somewhere near them. Some of the cited sources did not work either so those should be checked, and then some of them did not seem exactly like reputable sources, one of them was just a simple site for Irish names. ASU626 ( talk) 02:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)asu626
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Is it better to have the People section arranged by chronology or alphabet?-- shtove 22:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
What is known about the Gerald the lineage descends from? Nothing? I always thought that we/they descended from Giraldus Cambrensis, but it seems he was a FitzGerald's nephew. So unless the Normans were into time travelling and paternal paradoxes, then... Geno-Supremo ( talk) 16:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
How does "Fitz" mean "illegitimate son"? Doesn't it just mean "son of"? Henry II was called "FitzEmpress," but he was obviously not illegitimate. john k 08:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There is nothing to suggest "illegitimate" in the name at all. I have no idea where that came from! This article needs lots of work, its well below par...oh well, will do it bit by bit! Barryfitzgerald ( talk) 17:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I have to protest against this title for the article. The FitzGeralds are a) not a British Royal "House" like Stuart or Tudor or Plantagenet, b) not a continental "noble house" like the House of Rochechouart, and c) not a Gaelic royal family like the House of O'Donnell of Tyrconnell. The have their origins as Norman-Welsh adventurers and supporters of the English Crown in Ireland. They are not a "house". DinDraithou ( talk) 19:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I am pleased to announce the creations of James FitzGerald, 6th Earl of Desmond, and his son Thomas FitzGerald, 7th Earl of Desmond. When I create more, including the Barons Desmond, I will announce them too. DinDraithou ( talk) 20:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I have added Áine to the FitzGerald category. It would be nice if someone could discover any stories other than the one mentioned in her article. DinDraithou ( talk) 01:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Are they really a dynasty? most noble families are referred to as families, although some are called house. I think the FitzGerald Family would be best. Dynasty implies they ruled or held some position. Possibly the Earldom of Desmond? but this article covers more than that dynasty. 71.194.44.209 ( talk) 06:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
References to the Gherardini ancestry being a hoax and there being no Dominus Otho from a Florentine lineage must be listed. The article is lacking sources. For example, I've found these which contradict that very premise here: http://books.google.com/books?id=NuZBAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=dominus+otto+gherardini&source=bl&ots=w-jIKwz5e4&sig=bsAGnd0LYIRCyLsV5b1Evx3ce0s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mZAQUdbzE4iy9gTd9oCIDA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
And here: http://books.google.com/books?id=OxWy3extxxgC&pg=PA230&lpg=PA230&dq=otto+degli+gherardini&source=bl&ots=sncieYiO2t&sig=PQJYQLBctHdU9vqezCjbqZ-4abE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1pEQUb7zCZOC9QT2pIGwCw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg 99.43.166.79 ( talk) 05:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC) anon
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I feel as though this article's introduction needs some improvement. It just seems like a lot of information and names that one could get lost while reading it and not fully understand what they are reading, I also could not find any citations for the introduction so I am also wondering where a lot of that information came from. I also could not find any sources for the lineages of any of the houses of Fitzgerald, so that should also be more plainly shown somewhere near them. Some of the cited sources did not work either so those should be checked, and then some of them did not seem exactly like reputable sources, one of them was just a simple site for Irish names. ASU626 ( talk) 02:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)asu626
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