This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Is Noynoy Aquino a "first lady" instead of Ninoy Aquino, who is the "spouse of the president"? Very debatable. Who hosted the palace during the term of Corazon Aquino? -- Noypi380 08:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
If Ninoy Aquino is enumerated as among the "First Ladies", even if he died before Cory became President, then shouldn't the other presidential spouses who died before their husbands became President be also listed, such as Alicia Syquia Quirino, the first Mrs. Osmeña and the first Mrs. Macapagal. Or for that matter, the second wife of Emilio Aguinaldo, whom he married after the end of his presidency? Just thinking aloud. Anyo Niminus 17:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Since a first lady/gentleman should be wife/husband of the president, his status as being married ended with his assasination since marriage "from death do us part", not eternal. -- Howard the Duck 11:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Piepieilovepie ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we move the article to "First Spouses of the Philippines". 122.53.107.77 ( talk) 15:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Image:Irm.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 23:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The title of this article appears to me to be an unreferenced arbitrarily coined neologism, obviously derived from the U.S. term "First Lady" and is simply being haphazardly and in my opinion inappropriately applied to the spouses of any president of the Philippines, as if it actually was an officially utilized "title" of some sort. Wikipedia isn't a venue for promoting new terms or titles, in my opinion this articles sole purpose is simply an attempt at pushing the idea of using "First Gentleman" or "First Lady" as a title for any spouse of a President of the Philippines, without any substantiating support whatsoever. In my opinion, as pointed out above, this article badly needs to be renamed something like "Spouses of the President of the Philippines". cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 19:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
The image File:Hilaria Aguinaldo.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --03:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
The title is erroneous, since the there has been cases that the First Lady of the Philippines was not a spouse of the incumbent president. (the two Aquinos, and Sara Duterte has been touted for the role as First Lady despite likely president-elect Duterte having a living partner). Correct me if I'm wrong, "First Spouse" has never been used by the media. Also it also concerns me, how come Kris Aquino be de-facto First Lady if the title is unofficial? Even if "First Lady and Gentlemen" are unofficial its erroneous to name this article as "First Spouse of the Philippines" since there were persons who has held this title without being a spouse to the president. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 05:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps we should rename this article into Spouses of Philippine President with First Lady and Gentleman being a section of the renamed article. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 05:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Why is Honeylet's inclusion of some importance? Yes, the title isn't official, and, to be honest, I don't really know what's holding her from being First Lady. About the splitting of the list, why would we need a separate list of presidential spouses when there's already a list for them (this)? We don't want duplicates. Why would we list the spouses in the first place? It's unnecessary, there's no reason to list them. The reason we have this article/list because the post does a role and has become a tradition, a symbol. France has that article title instead because it doesn't have such distinction, but we keep that list because the spouses are notable for playing "a protocol role at the Élysée Palace and during official visits". Much like what this article is about. It's still true that the title refers to the spouse, but as I have said earlier, the president may appoint someone when he/she doesn't have one. The US also has First Ladies who were not actually the spouse of the president. Until Duterte announces her as his first lady, we cannot include Honeylet to the list. — Mediran [talk] 14:24, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
According to the a inline citation, Victoria Quirino was the first one to have the distinction. Shouldn't be the list starts with her and the wives of Aguinaldo to Roxas excluded since they weren't called "First Ladies" then. Or is there some kind of official source for the succession even though the distinction wasn't still use during the time of Aguinaldo to Roxas? Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 15:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to First Lady or Fist Gentleman of the Philippines. We have consensus that the "First Spouse" construction isn't in wide use. Cúchullain t/ c 13:27, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
First Spouse of the Philippines →
First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines – Per
WP:COMMONNAME. Also, not all First Ladies were
spouses of the President so the current title is also inaccurate and misleading. Example: First Ladies
Sara Duterte, Ballsy Aquino and
Victoria Quirino were presidential daughters. First Lady
Kris Aquino was a presidential sister. Again, while these are all First Ladies and First Gentlemen, not all of them are First Spouses.
RioHondo (
talk) 03:52, 3 September 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. —
Sam
Sailor 00:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC))
* '''Support'''
or * '''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.)Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on First Lady or First Gentleman of the Philippines. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 12:26, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
First Lady or Gentleman of the Philippines be
renamed and moved to
First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines.
result: Links:
current log •
target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
First Lady or Gentleman of the Philippines → First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines – The consensus appears to be using the plural and "and". See Talk:Second Ladies and Gentlemen of the United States#In the event of a Female VP. Showiecz ( talk) 12:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. — Nnadigoodluck ███ 11:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:First Ladies and Partners of California which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 07:06, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 00:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
First Lady or Gentleman of the Philippines → First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines – The consensus appears to be using the plural and "and". See Talk:Second Ladies and Gentlemen of the United States#In the event of a Female VP. Showiecz ( talk) 18:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't see any sources supporting the lead claim that First Lady or First Gentleman of the Philippines (Filipino: Unang Ginang o Unang Ginoó ng Pilipinas) is the customary title. Probably this should be adjusted to be a description, rather than a title. Lowercase, not upper. Are they any sources using either the English or the Filipino phrase as stated? Dicklyon ( talk) 02:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Since the 11th, 15th and 16th on this list are vacant should the numbers then be removed because technically if the position is vacant you don't number it since its not an individual. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 10:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 14:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:First Ladies and Gentlemen of Kansas which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 19:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Is Noynoy Aquino a "first lady" instead of Ninoy Aquino, who is the "spouse of the president"? Very debatable. Who hosted the palace during the term of Corazon Aquino? -- Noypi380 08:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
If Ninoy Aquino is enumerated as among the "First Ladies", even if he died before Cory became President, then shouldn't the other presidential spouses who died before their husbands became President be also listed, such as Alicia Syquia Quirino, the first Mrs. Osmeña and the first Mrs. Macapagal. Or for that matter, the second wife of Emilio Aguinaldo, whom he married after the end of his presidency? Just thinking aloud. Anyo Niminus 17:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Since a first lady/gentleman should be wife/husband of the president, his status as being married ended with his assasination since marriage "from death do us part", not eternal. -- Howard the Duck 11:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Piepieilovepie ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we move the article to "First Spouses of the Philippines". 122.53.107.77 ( talk) 15:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Image:Irm.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot ( talk) 23:34, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The title of this article appears to me to be an unreferenced arbitrarily coined neologism, obviously derived from the U.S. term "First Lady" and is simply being haphazardly and in my opinion inappropriately applied to the spouses of any president of the Philippines, as if it actually was an officially utilized "title" of some sort. Wikipedia isn't a venue for promoting new terms or titles, in my opinion this articles sole purpose is simply an attempt at pushing the idea of using "First Gentleman" or "First Lady" as a title for any spouse of a President of the Philippines, without any substantiating support whatsoever. In my opinion, as pointed out above, this article badly needs to be renamed something like "Spouses of the President of the Philippines". cheers Deconstructhis ( talk) 19:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
The image File:Hilaria Aguinaldo.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --03:19, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
The title is erroneous, since the there has been cases that the First Lady of the Philippines was not a spouse of the incumbent president. (the two Aquinos, and Sara Duterte has been touted for the role as First Lady despite likely president-elect Duterte having a living partner). Correct me if I'm wrong, "First Spouse" has never been used by the media. Also it also concerns me, how come Kris Aquino be de-facto First Lady if the title is unofficial? Even if "First Lady and Gentlemen" are unofficial its erroneous to name this article as "First Spouse of the Philippines" since there were persons who has held this title without being a spouse to the president. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 05:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Perhaps we should rename this article into Spouses of Philippine President with First Lady and Gentleman being a section of the renamed article. Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 05:35, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Why is Honeylet's inclusion of some importance? Yes, the title isn't official, and, to be honest, I don't really know what's holding her from being First Lady. About the splitting of the list, why would we need a separate list of presidential spouses when there's already a list for them (this)? We don't want duplicates. Why would we list the spouses in the first place? It's unnecessary, there's no reason to list them. The reason we have this article/list because the post does a role and has become a tradition, a symbol. France has that article title instead because it doesn't have such distinction, but we keep that list because the spouses are notable for playing "a protocol role at the Élysée Palace and during official visits". Much like what this article is about. It's still true that the title refers to the spouse, but as I have said earlier, the president may appoint someone when he/she doesn't have one. The US also has First Ladies who were not actually the spouse of the president. Until Duterte announces her as his first lady, we cannot include Honeylet to the list. — Mediran [talk] 14:24, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
According to the a inline citation, Victoria Quirino was the first one to have the distinction. Shouldn't be the list starts with her and the wives of Aguinaldo to Roxas excluded since they weren't called "First Ladies" then. Or is there some kind of official source for the succession even though the distinction wasn't still use during the time of Aguinaldo to Roxas? Hariboneagle927 ( talk) 15:04, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to First Lady or Fist Gentleman of the Philippines. We have consensus that the "First Spouse" construction isn't in wide use. Cúchullain t/ c 13:27, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
First Spouse of the Philippines →
First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines – Per
WP:COMMONNAME. Also, not all First Ladies were
spouses of the President so the current title is also inaccurate and misleading. Example: First Ladies
Sara Duterte, Ballsy Aquino and
Victoria Quirino were presidential daughters. First Lady
Kris Aquino was a presidential sister. Again, while these are all First Ladies and First Gentlemen, not all of them are First Spouses.
RioHondo (
talk) 03:52, 3 September 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. —
Sam
Sailor 00:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC))
* '''Support'''
or * '''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.)Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on First Lady or First Gentleman of the Philippines. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 12:26, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
First Lady or Gentleman of the Philippines be
renamed and moved to
First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines.
result: Links:
current log •
target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
First Lady or Gentleman of the Philippines → First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines – The consensus appears to be using the plural and "and". See Talk:Second Ladies and Gentlemen of the United States#In the event of a Female VP. Showiecz ( talk) 12:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. — Nnadigoodluck ███ 11:37, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:First Ladies and Partners of California which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 07:06, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 00:35, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
First Lady or Gentleman of the Philippines → First Ladies and Gentlemen of the Philippines – The consensus appears to be using the plural and "and". See Talk:Second Ladies and Gentlemen of the United States#In the event of a Female VP. Showiecz ( talk) 18:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't see any sources supporting the lead claim that First Lady or First Gentleman of the Philippines (Filipino: Unang Ginang o Unang Ginoó ng Pilipinas) is the customary title. Probably this should be adjusted to be a description, rather than a title. Lowercase, not upper. Are they any sources using either the English or the Filipino phrase as stated? Dicklyon ( talk) 02:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Since the 11th, 15th and 16th on this list are vacant should the numbers then be removed because technically if the position is vacant you don't number it since its not an individual. -- TDKR Chicago 101 ( talk) 10:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 14:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:First Ladies and Gentlemen of Kansas which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 19:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)