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Is this article really a stub? Perhaps not a complete article.... but a stub? Seems worse the article has 3 stub notices Wendell 06:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
DP Kilfeather Des Desk1 15:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Im trying to write a start class biography for all the first sea lords. So far I have done:
Anyone interested in working with me and we could share the workload/ideas etc? LordHarris 11:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
As of Jan 2007 I have done three more:
LordHarris 23:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have created a first sea lord template and added it to all of the First Sea lord articles.
I have also categorised the first sea lords but may have missed a few off. Please add if missing. Other new articles include:
Does 1SL have a flagship, as 2SL has HMS Victory? -- 172.142.135.74 03:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Where does the term First naval Lord come from? Reading the article it refers to the First Sea Lord as the job position title, except in one place. What is the story here as I have never heard of the First Naval Lord until I came to this page. Dabbler ( talk) 14:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
The introduction of this article says nothing about which navy the lord belongs to. I believe this is an oversight. 68.144.80.168 ( talk) 04:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
For whatever it's worth, my copy of British Political Facts 1900-1968 by David Butler and Jennie Freeman (Macmillan 1969, Library of Congress Catalogue Card No. 67-27323, page 268) in its chapter about "Armed Forces", gives "Chief of the Naval Staff" until 1914 ( Prince Louis of Battenberg, 1912-14) and lists Lord Fisher as the First Sea Lord in 1914. —— Shakescene ( talk) 07:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
What happened in 1964, during David Luce's term as 1SL? The list is broken at that point, for no apparent reason. Rojomoke ( talk) 14:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Surely Michael Boyce should be in as Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, rather than Admiral Lord Boyce, as that was his title at the time he was in the position? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.73.132.82 ( talk) 08:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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Hi I am currently reading my copy of Nicholas A. M. Rodger, (1979) The Admiralty (offices of state), T. Dalton, Lavenham, ISBN 978-0900963940 . In chapter 3 page 34 he lists for the Board of Admiralty (1689-1702) 6 officers classed as Senior Naval Lords. In chapter 4 pages 51-52 he lists for the Board of Admiralty (1709-1770) 24 officers classed as Senior Naval Lords.
The supporting foot notes state: "The position of Senior Naval Lord generally became recognized during this period though often naval officers held office for largely political reasons. Although if a Naval Lord was serving as First Lord they would obviously be the senior naval officer present".
In chapter 5 page 69 he lists for the Board of Admiralty (1770-1815) with 17 officers now called First Naval Lord beginning with Augustus Harvey later Earl of Bristol 2nd February 1770 to 12 April 1775 for the Board of Admiralty for the period (1815-1827) chapter 6 page 91 he lists a further 3 officers classed as First Naval Lord.
The start date for first naval lord in this article is 1828 is there any reason for this discrepancy? Throughout the whole book up to the modern First Sea Lord he only lists each board of admiralty with the most Senior Naval/First Naval/First Sea/ Lords together with that of the First Lord of Admiralty no other naval lords are listed and the Secretary to the Admiralty. He says he is treating these officers though titles has changed name over the period from 1689 to 1964 as the same so the actual formation date begins with Admiral Arthur Herbert on the 8th March 1689. Any thoughts anyone?-- Navops47 ( talk) 08:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Senior Naval Lords
Lord Admirals Council in session 26th January 1702 until 8th November 1709
Senior Naval Lords
First Naval Lord
First Naval Lord (professional) from 1805
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Last sentence in the lead,
Since 2012 the flagship of the First Sea Lord has been Horatio, Lord Nelson's ship of the line, HMS Victory.
is unclear. It suggests that there's a ship of the line, which belongs to a Lord Nelson, and that the ship is called both "Horatio" and "HMS Victory". Not sure if this is true. Perhaps it needs rephrasing or a change in punctuation. — Kpalion (talk) 11:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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Is this article really a stub? Perhaps not a complete article.... but a stub? Seems worse the article has 3 stub notices Wendell 06:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
DP Kilfeather Des Desk1 15:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Im trying to write a start class biography for all the first sea lords. So far I have done:
Anyone interested in working with me and we could share the workload/ideas etc? LordHarris 11:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
As of Jan 2007 I have done three more:
LordHarris 23:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have created a first sea lord template and added it to all of the First Sea lord articles.
I have also categorised the first sea lords but may have missed a few off. Please add if missing. Other new articles include:
Does 1SL have a flagship, as 2SL has HMS Victory? -- 172.142.135.74 03:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Where does the term First naval Lord come from? Reading the article it refers to the First Sea Lord as the job position title, except in one place. What is the story here as I have never heard of the First Naval Lord until I came to this page. Dabbler ( talk) 14:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
The introduction of this article says nothing about which navy the lord belongs to. I believe this is an oversight. 68.144.80.168 ( talk) 04:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
For whatever it's worth, my copy of British Political Facts 1900-1968 by David Butler and Jennie Freeman (Macmillan 1969, Library of Congress Catalogue Card No. 67-27323, page 268) in its chapter about "Armed Forces", gives "Chief of the Naval Staff" until 1914 ( Prince Louis of Battenberg, 1912-14) and lists Lord Fisher as the First Sea Lord in 1914. —— Shakescene ( talk) 07:24, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
What happened in 1964, during David Luce's term as 1SL? The list is broken at that point, for no apparent reason. Rojomoke ( talk) 14:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Surely Michael Boyce should be in as Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, rather than Admiral Lord Boyce, as that was his title at the time he was in the position? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.73.132.82 ( talk) 08:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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Hi I am currently reading my copy of Nicholas A. M. Rodger, (1979) The Admiralty (offices of state), T. Dalton, Lavenham, ISBN 978-0900963940 . In chapter 3 page 34 he lists for the Board of Admiralty (1689-1702) 6 officers classed as Senior Naval Lords. In chapter 4 pages 51-52 he lists for the Board of Admiralty (1709-1770) 24 officers classed as Senior Naval Lords.
The supporting foot notes state: "The position of Senior Naval Lord generally became recognized during this period though often naval officers held office for largely political reasons. Although if a Naval Lord was serving as First Lord they would obviously be the senior naval officer present".
In chapter 5 page 69 he lists for the Board of Admiralty (1770-1815) with 17 officers now called First Naval Lord beginning with Augustus Harvey later Earl of Bristol 2nd February 1770 to 12 April 1775 for the Board of Admiralty for the period (1815-1827) chapter 6 page 91 he lists a further 3 officers classed as First Naval Lord.
The start date for first naval lord in this article is 1828 is there any reason for this discrepancy? Throughout the whole book up to the modern First Sea Lord he only lists each board of admiralty with the most Senior Naval/First Naval/First Sea/ Lords together with that of the First Lord of Admiralty no other naval lords are listed and the Secretary to the Admiralty. He says he is treating these officers though titles has changed name over the period from 1689 to 1964 as the same so the actual formation date begins with Admiral Arthur Herbert on the 8th March 1689. Any thoughts anyone?-- Navops47 ( talk) 08:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Senior Naval Lords
Lord Admirals Council in session 26th January 1702 until 8th November 1709
Senior Naval Lords
First Naval Lord
First Naval Lord (professional) from 1805
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 14:24, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Last sentence in the lead,
Since 2012 the flagship of the First Sea Lord has been Horatio, Lord Nelson's ship of the line, HMS Victory.
is unclear. It suggests that there's a ship of the line, which belongs to a Lord Nelson, and that the ship is called both "Horatio" and "HMS Victory". Not sure if this is true. Perhaps it needs rephrasing or a change in punctuation. — Kpalion (talk) 11:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)