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I see that First Navy Jack and Don't tread on me have been marked for merger. Although both have their roots in American Revolutionary politics, I believe that they should remain separate pages. " Don't tread on me" deals with the political movement of the time, while the First Navy Jack is a matter of military history. I would suggest that they two pages be more focused, but remain separate. — Linnwood 21:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
While not an expert, nor a professional vexillologist, my research supports the notion that "Don't tread on Me" was not necessarily applied to all, if any Navy Jack. It therefore should remain a separate article. -- Pocketman38 23:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I was reading "The U.S. Navy's First Jack" on the Naval Historical Center Web site. The historical accuracy of the "Rattlesnake Jack" being the first official jack of the US is reportedly not based on verifiable information. It states in relevant parts (emphasis added):
I propose that information be updated to come in line with the offical historical word from the United States Navy. I am holding off on editing to allow people to weigh in. Assawyer 01:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Was it flown for the Navy's Bicentenial, or the countries, or both? Anyone have the dates? -- J Clear 14:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Both, "As part of the commemoration of the bicentennial of the American Revolution, by an instruction dated 1 August 1975 (SECNAV Instruction 10520.3) the Secretary of the Navy directed the use of the rattlesnake jack in place of the union jack (blue field with white stars) during the period 13 October 1775 (the bicentennial of the legislation that created the Continental Navy, which the Navy recognizes as the Navy's birthday), and 31 December 1976".(PD-USGov-Navy) [1] -- Dual Freq 14:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I worked for the company that made them and although authorized in 1975 I am unaware of any actually being delivered to the Navy before the summer of the following year, 1976. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:7F40:0:F860:6C69:CBFD:6976 ( talk) 19:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
It is supposed to come from the UK Union flag. The various UK ensigns (national flags for use at sea) all have the UK Union flag in the upper right hand corner. U.K. ships would often fly this flag at the bow on a ‘jack’ staff, as well as the ensign on the mainmast. Some monarch is supposed to have wanted the ‘real’ flag on board his ships somewhere. (This is also why the UK union flag is often called the ‘Union Jack’).
The us navy continued the custom with the us flag, despite the fact that the Union (starry bit) of the US flag is not a separate flag in itself, and the US flag is also the US ensign, the same on land or at sea. But old habits die hard.
If this can be properly documented, it would improve the article. 2A00:23C7:E284:CF00:21C1:1B36:160D:F36 ( talk) 08:16, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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I see that First Navy Jack and Don't tread on me have been marked for merger. Although both have their roots in American Revolutionary politics, I believe that they should remain separate pages. " Don't tread on me" deals with the political movement of the time, while the First Navy Jack is a matter of military history. I would suggest that they two pages be more focused, but remain separate. — Linnwood 21:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
While not an expert, nor a professional vexillologist, my research supports the notion that "Don't tread on Me" was not necessarily applied to all, if any Navy Jack. It therefore should remain a separate article. -- Pocketman38 23:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
I was reading "The U.S. Navy's First Jack" on the Naval Historical Center Web site. The historical accuracy of the "Rattlesnake Jack" being the first official jack of the US is reportedly not based on verifiable information. It states in relevant parts (emphasis added):
I propose that information be updated to come in line with the offical historical word from the United States Navy. I am holding off on editing to allow people to weigh in. Assawyer 01:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Was it flown for the Navy's Bicentenial, or the countries, or both? Anyone have the dates? -- J Clear 14:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Both, "As part of the commemoration of the bicentennial of the American Revolution, by an instruction dated 1 August 1975 (SECNAV Instruction 10520.3) the Secretary of the Navy directed the use of the rattlesnake jack in place of the union jack (blue field with white stars) during the period 13 October 1775 (the bicentennial of the legislation that created the Continental Navy, which the Navy recognizes as the Navy's birthday), and 31 December 1976".(PD-USGov-Navy) [1] -- Dual Freq 14:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I worked for the company that made them and although authorized in 1975 I am unaware of any actually being delivered to the Navy before the summer of the following year, 1976. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:7F40:0:F860:6C69:CBFD:6976 ( talk) 19:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
It is supposed to come from the UK Union flag. The various UK ensigns (national flags for use at sea) all have the UK Union flag in the upper right hand corner. U.K. ships would often fly this flag at the bow on a ‘jack’ staff, as well as the ensign on the mainmast. Some monarch is supposed to have wanted the ‘real’ flag on board his ships somewhere. (This is also why the UK union flag is often called the ‘Union Jack’).
The us navy continued the custom with the us flag, despite the fact that the Union (starry bit) of the US flag is not a separate flag in itself, and the US flag is also the US ensign, the same on land or at sea. But old habits die hard.
If this can be properly documented, it would improve the article. 2A00:23C7:E284:CF00:21C1:1B36:160D:F36 ( talk) 08:16, 17 April 2021 (UTC)