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Does the Assembly ruling that 'deputy' not be capitalised have precedence over the rules of the written language? I've noticed several instances of 'deputy' remaining in lower case at the beginning of bulleted lists (e.g. in the infobox on the Northern Ireland article). Surely this rule is only meant to be for comparative purposes, i.e. when referring to both the First Minister and the deputy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicandmedicine ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Would it be alright to move to First Minister and deputy First Minister (Northern Ireland)? GoodDay ( talk) 20:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Anyone have any objections to the revamping of the article primarily to deal with the atrocity that is this section? The repeated images (obviously Trimble is the worst example, due to it being there a pointless 3 times) do nothing, and I'm sure we could incorporate most of the images elsewhere in the article and return the table to a more sensible format? 2 lines of K 303 11:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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I've replaced the statement about the positions being a diarchy with the more accurate and verifiable
The two positions share resposiblities within government.
Firstly, a diarchy refers to joint heads of state and Northern Ireland is not a state and the Queen's representative would be its head if it were. A source would be needed to show that this term has been applied to the NI excutive. Secondly, the sources that I have seen state the posts have equal responsiblities which does not imply equal power. As NI is a parlimentary system the power of the First Minister is derived from the support of MLAs. Although this is somewhat mitigted by the arrangments under which the govenment operates an assertion that they have equalised their power would need a reliable source to back it up. Eckerslike ( talk) 19:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Should the table for dFM - Martin McGuinness not be split as at 11/01/2016 as the position of dFM also became vacant with Pater Robinson's resignation? -- Gavin Lisburn ( talk) 01:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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There is a photo of Arlene Foster's and Michelle O'Neill's first meeting as FM and dFM, which can be accessed below. [1] [2] I'm not an expert on copyright policy, so I wouldn't know if it's appropriate to use this image or if Boyes (who holds the copyright) would have to be contacted to use this image. Many thanks. Caden Ó Cearrúláin ( talk) 15:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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The article seems to treat the two periods of suspension as different. On the timeline 2002-2007 is labelled "Direct Rule" and 2017-2020 is labelled "Office Vacant". The Secretaries of State for Northern Ireland are listed as "Direct Rule First Ministers" and shown in the timeline for the first period, but not for the second. Is there a reason for the different treatment? MrWeeble Talk Brit tv 21:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
so the NI Secretary was in effect the First Minister.any functions of the First Minister and the deputy First Minister may be discharged by the Secretary of State
With Foster's resignation taking effect at 13:00, O'Neill also had to step down from her position, leaving a seven-day interregnum. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 12:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
This seems the most sensible place for a central discussion.
Despite an IP editor updating various ministerial articles claiming the Executive has been dissolved, this is not the case (to the best of my knowledge).
Sky News for example say If the two largest parties cannot reach agreement on the issue in seven days, the Stormont executive will collapse,
and While her successor, Mr Poots, can appoint other ministers to the executive, the first minister and deputy first ministers are elected jointly under mandatory coalition
. So while the FM and dFM positions are currently vacant, the Executive remains in place. Or it does, in the absence of references that say otherwise, despite the IP's claims.
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The new rules from 2006 also state that, if the largest party of the largest designation happens not to also be the largest party in the assembly overall, then the appointment procedure would be as follows:
a First Minister nominated by the largest party overall; a deputy First Minister nominated by the largest party of the largest designation.
Following the 2022 Northern Ireland Assembly election, this contingency may come to pass, but I cannot actually find words to this effect in the legislation cited. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 20:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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David Trimble has died recently Katherine Northey ( talk) 18:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Isn't 'Northern Ireland' in Ulster Scots, 'Norlin Airlan(n)' not 'Northern Ireland'? As in the infobox, since it was added in 2022. Dank Jae 23:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Does the Assembly ruling that 'deputy' not be capitalised have precedence over the rules of the written language? I've noticed several instances of 'deputy' remaining in lower case at the beginning of bulleted lists (e.g. in the infobox on the Northern Ireland article). Surely this rule is only meant to be for comparative purposes, i.e. when referring to both the First Minister and the deputy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicandmedicine ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Would it be alright to move to First Minister and deputy First Minister (Northern Ireland)? GoodDay ( talk) 20:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Anyone have any objections to the revamping of the article primarily to deal with the atrocity that is this section? The repeated images (obviously Trimble is the worst example, due to it being there a pointless 3 times) do nothing, and I'm sure we could incorporate most of the images elsewhere in the article and return the table to a more sensible format? 2 lines of K 303 11:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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I've replaced the statement about the positions being a diarchy with the more accurate and verifiable
The two positions share resposiblities within government.
Firstly, a diarchy refers to joint heads of state and Northern Ireland is not a state and the Queen's representative would be its head if it were. A source would be needed to show that this term has been applied to the NI excutive. Secondly, the sources that I have seen state the posts have equal responsiblities which does not imply equal power. As NI is a parlimentary system the power of the First Minister is derived from the support of MLAs. Although this is somewhat mitigted by the arrangments under which the govenment operates an assertion that they have equalised their power would need a reliable source to back it up. Eckerslike ( talk) 19:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Should the table for dFM - Martin McGuinness not be split as at 11/01/2016 as the position of dFM also became vacant with Pater Robinson's resignation? -- Gavin Lisburn ( talk) 01:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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There is a photo of Arlene Foster's and Michelle O'Neill's first meeting as FM and dFM, which can be accessed below. [1] [2] I'm not an expert on copyright policy, so I wouldn't know if it's appropriate to use this image or if Boyes (who holds the copyright) would have to be contacted to use this image. Many thanks. Caden Ó Cearrúláin ( talk) 15:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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The article seems to treat the two periods of suspension as different. On the timeline 2002-2007 is labelled "Direct Rule" and 2017-2020 is labelled "Office Vacant". The Secretaries of State for Northern Ireland are listed as "Direct Rule First Ministers" and shown in the timeline for the first period, but not for the second. Is there a reason for the different treatment? MrWeeble Talk Brit tv 21:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
so the NI Secretary was in effect the First Minister.any functions of the First Minister and the deputy First Minister may be discharged by the Secretary of State
With Foster's resignation taking effect at 13:00, O'Neill also had to step down from her position, leaving a seven-day interregnum. [1] Culloty82 ( talk) 12:17, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
This seems the most sensible place for a central discussion.
Despite an IP editor updating various ministerial articles claiming the Executive has been dissolved, this is not the case (to the best of my knowledge).
Sky News for example say If the two largest parties cannot reach agreement on the issue in seven days, the Stormont executive will collapse,
and While her successor, Mr Poots, can appoint other ministers to the executive, the first minister and deputy first ministers are elected jointly under mandatory coalition
. So while the FM and dFM positions are currently vacant, the Executive remains in place. Or it does, in the absence of references that say otherwise, despite the IP's claims.
FDW777 (
talk)
14:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
The new rules from 2006 also state that, if the largest party of the largest designation happens not to also be the largest party in the assembly overall, then the appointment procedure would be as follows:
a First Minister nominated by the largest party overall; a deputy First Minister nominated by the largest party of the largest designation.
Following the 2022 Northern Ireland Assembly election, this contingency may come to pass, but I cannot actually find words to this effect in the legislation cited. Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 20:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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David Trimble has died recently Katherine Northey ( talk) 18:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Isn't 'Northern Ireland' in Ulster Scots, 'Norlin Airlan(n)' not 'Northern Ireland'? As in the infobox, since it was added in 2022. Dank Jae 23:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)