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Hi,
My understanding is that FFV is a set of books. This is the first I've heard of it being a
genealogical society. Can someone enlighten me, or might a knowledgeable person
edit this entry?
Thanks.
Anna-leeAton
Anna-leeAton ( talk) 23:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Anna-leeAton ( talk) 23:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I am a Shackelford and I've never heard of an official FFV society. The analogy to the Boston Brahmins is I think exactly correct. This society seems to be something that was set up to mirror such institutions as the Society of Cincinnati, but I have no idea by whom. I'll ask around at dinner tonight if anyone knows anything about it.
I was delighted to see my last mentioned in the article. This doesn't need to be added, but I thought you all would be interested to know that we were French Hugenots in exile in Scotland. "Shackelford" is according to the oral histories I've heard an anglicization of "Jaquelefort." My ancestor Roger Shackelford (whose portrait hangs to this day in my parents' house) apparently jumped at the chance to reestablish the family in the New World.
(BTW, I tripped across this entry via the Thanksgiving page, which is today, and which links the FFV article -- and I was happy to see that article notes the Jamestown Thanksgiving....)
Nice article and well done! IvyGold ( talk) 19:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
The earliest Shackelford in this country was indeed Roger, but he arrived from Hampshire, England. You will find a great deal of information at Shacklefords, Virginia as well as Shackleford, the small village in Surrey, England, from whence the family name likely derives. There is also more information about the Shackelfords at Orange, Virginia, Keswick, Virginia, Monticello and Monticello Association. Best regards, MarmadukePercy ( talk) 16:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice addition Mrs. Aton. I've been researching family genealogy of my own for s few years now and as I continue to come back to our Virginia roots, I have pursued the vague understandings of the Order of The First Families of Virginia. We descendants/members of the society are often uninterested in this aspect of family history for obvious reasons given social policy today however, I have always been an avid genealogist and amateur historian. I'm in contact with the Honorary Lifetime President of the FFV and can secure his office address for you if you wish (it is different than the Seminary Road Box address). Furthermore, I'd like to add to the list on Wikipedia for the FFV entry and expand on all families we're still close to. Specifically, my Lightfoot family is close to the Spencers, Phillips and Lee families to this day however, living in the State of Virginia really is no option for most of us for obvious reason. One never would find comfort in knowing what ones ancestors left, thankfully with the family's wealth to avoid a nasty American Civil War. Please email me if we may corroborate further in any potential additions to the FFV website. As far as the Lightfoots go, my genealogy documents are in tiptop shape, easy to read (however for the ID protection of families, I'd recommend never publishing the living ones', except for the celebrities', thinkers, leaders, et al., which are all public anyway. Thank you Alexander LIGHTFOOT 23:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Lightfoot ( talk • contribs)
So far from my studies of the FFV, Pocahontas is really rather irrelevant. A lot of the larger families come during the early eighteenth century, and Pocahontas is very early on in the colony's history. The Byrds, Carters, and Randolphs (some of the largest families) all came to the colony in the eighteenth century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olivergecko ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Since the phrase "First Families of Virginia" forms the principal part of the legal name of the hereditary society "Order of the First Families of Virginia", a Wikipedia article with that title surely should be about that society. Another page could be created, under a different title, for general information about prominent Virginia families, if need be. I have edited this page to focus on the Order of the First Families of Virginia. Underdoor ( talk) 12:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Or since there's so much confusion about what the term means, maybe there should be a Disambiguation page, title "First Families of Virginia", with links to "Order of the First Families of Virginia" and (for example) "Leading Families of Colonial Virginia" or "Prominent Families of Colonial Virginias". Underdoor ( talk) 13:54, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
My mistake. I should have noticed that there was already a page titled "Order of the First Families of Virginia", which previously redirected to "First Families of Virginia". I've changed that page to provide information on the society rather than redirecting, and reverted my edits to this page. I've added a disambiguating hatnote to each page. Underdoor ( talk) 14:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
For future reference, the following is a list of FFV names compiled from the reports of Meade (in Notes and Queries), [1] Tyler, [2] and Purvis:
List compiled from Meade, Tyler, and Purvis
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Well-meaning or not, new editors frequently add a name to the article's list and link the name to one of the sources even though it does not appear in them. Location ( talk) 23:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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I don't think first families should be capitalized. It's only much later that they become something special. Anyone have a problem with me changing it? deisenbe ( talk) 17:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I would like to know how to join as a member of First Families of Virginia. How do you sign up and show lineage? 2601:200:4001:1AC0:8560:5BBC:222D:6DCA ( talk) 17:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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Hi,
My understanding is that FFV is a set of books. This is the first I've heard of it being a
genealogical society. Can someone enlighten me, or might a knowledgeable person
edit this entry?
Thanks.
Anna-leeAton
Anna-leeAton ( talk) 23:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Anna-leeAton ( talk) 23:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I am a Shackelford and I've never heard of an official FFV society. The analogy to the Boston Brahmins is I think exactly correct. This society seems to be something that was set up to mirror such institutions as the Society of Cincinnati, but I have no idea by whom. I'll ask around at dinner tonight if anyone knows anything about it.
I was delighted to see my last mentioned in the article. This doesn't need to be added, but I thought you all would be interested to know that we were French Hugenots in exile in Scotland. "Shackelford" is according to the oral histories I've heard an anglicization of "Jaquelefort." My ancestor Roger Shackelford (whose portrait hangs to this day in my parents' house) apparently jumped at the chance to reestablish the family in the New World.
(BTW, I tripped across this entry via the Thanksgiving page, which is today, and which links the FFV article -- and I was happy to see that article notes the Jamestown Thanksgiving....)
Nice article and well done! IvyGold ( talk) 19:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
The earliest Shackelford in this country was indeed Roger, but he arrived from Hampshire, England. You will find a great deal of information at Shacklefords, Virginia as well as Shackleford, the small village in Surrey, England, from whence the family name likely derives. There is also more information about the Shackelfords at Orange, Virginia, Keswick, Virginia, Monticello and Monticello Association. Best regards, MarmadukePercy ( talk) 16:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice addition Mrs. Aton. I've been researching family genealogy of my own for s few years now and as I continue to come back to our Virginia roots, I have pursued the vague understandings of the Order of The First Families of Virginia. We descendants/members of the society are often uninterested in this aspect of family history for obvious reasons given social policy today however, I have always been an avid genealogist and amateur historian. I'm in contact with the Honorary Lifetime President of the FFV and can secure his office address for you if you wish (it is different than the Seminary Road Box address). Furthermore, I'd like to add to the list on Wikipedia for the FFV entry and expand on all families we're still close to. Specifically, my Lightfoot family is close to the Spencers, Phillips and Lee families to this day however, living in the State of Virginia really is no option for most of us for obvious reason. One never would find comfort in knowing what ones ancestors left, thankfully with the family's wealth to avoid a nasty American Civil War. Please email me if we may corroborate further in any potential additions to the FFV website. As far as the Lightfoots go, my genealogy documents are in tiptop shape, easy to read (however for the ID protection of families, I'd recommend never publishing the living ones', except for the celebrities', thinkers, leaders, et al., which are all public anyway. Thank you Alexander LIGHTFOOT 23:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexander Lightfoot ( talk • contribs)
So far from my studies of the FFV, Pocahontas is really rather irrelevant. A lot of the larger families come during the early eighteenth century, and Pocahontas is very early on in the colony's history. The Byrds, Carters, and Randolphs (some of the largest families) all came to the colony in the eighteenth century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olivergecko ( talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Since the phrase "First Families of Virginia" forms the principal part of the legal name of the hereditary society "Order of the First Families of Virginia", a Wikipedia article with that title surely should be about that society. Another page could be created, under a different title, for general information about prominent Virginia families, if need be. I have edited this page to focus on the Order of the First Families of Virginia. Underdoor ( talk) 12:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Or since there's so much confusion about what the term means, maybe there should be a Disambiguation page, title "First Families of Virginia", with links to "Order of the First Families of Virginia" and (for example) "Leading Families of Colonial Virginia" or "Prominent Families of Colonial Virginias". Underdoor ( talk) 13:54, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
My mistake. I should have noticed that there was already a page titled "Order of the First Families of Virginia", which previously redirected to "First Families of Virginia". I've changed that page to provide information on the society rather than redirecting, and reverted my edits to this page. I've added a disambiguating hatnote to each page. Underdoor ( talk) 14:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
For future reference, the following is a list of FFV names compiled from the reports of Meade (in Notes and Queries), [1] Tyler, [2] and Purvis:
List compiled from Meade, Tyler, and Purvis
| |||
---|---|---|---|
|
Well-meaning or not, new editors frequently add a name to the article's list and link the name to one of the sources even though it does not appear in them. Location ( talk) 23:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
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Another unlikely 'FFV' was the wayward Pilgram Isaac Allerton, a London tailor's son who emigrated in the Mayflower to Plymouth Colony and resettled in Virginia, ca. 1655, where he married into Berkeley's ruling elite.
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Among the most prominent of these lineages are those of the Bland, Braxton, Byrd, Carter, Corbin, Fitzhugh, Harrison, Lee, Ludwell, Nelson, Randolph, Washington, and Wormley families.
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The Robinsons were one of the first families of Virginia where they settled about 1670, before becoming one of the first families of Upper Canada.
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I don't think first families should be capitalized. It's only much later that they become something special. Anyone have a problem with me changing it? deisenbe ( talk) 17:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I would like to know how to join as a member of First Families of Virginia. How do you sign up and show lineage? 2601:200:4001:1AC0:8560:5BBC:222D:6DCA ( talk) 17:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)