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I must put in doubt the total accuracy of the information on the beginning of this war. That the Anti-Mobutu forces simply gathered up is not true. They were propted and financed to gather by Rwanda and Uganda, who had military, political and financial interests in asserting some level of control at least on the Eastern part of the country, if not the whole country. Many of these rebels had converted to smugling businesses, and such. They had no standing to fight Mobutu, without the APR of Kagame, and the UPDF of Museveni. As mch as the resulting departure of Mobutu was at face value beneficial to the country, the motivations were NOT to liberate the country - it was more of a welcomed side-effect of an opportunistic operation, that sought to use the alleged persecution of the Banyamulenge (who have indeed been dealt pretty raw and painful cards by the Mobutu regime), to justify military presence in The Eastern Congo, by two occupying powers. When they realized it was not going to fly, they engineered a puppet rebellion, made up of a vast majority of Banyamulenge people, and a few old-guard nominal anti-Mobutu resistants, to sell their invasion as a Liberation. A purely politically motivated manufactured rebellion... that just happened to be succesful, as Mobutu's apparatus was already rotten to the core. And so they went ahead, all the way to Kinshasa. The creation turned against its creator, however, when they felt legitimized, and realized the extent of the manipulation (the very official Congolese Armed Forces Chief of Staff was an officer of Rwanda's Army, namely James Kabarebe) - hence, the Second Congo War. Please discuss.
Themalau 14:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
A report here states
If the Rwandan Army is collaborating with the Interahamwe to loot mineral wealth from Congo, you can be pretty sure Rwanda's claims about wanting to root out Interhamwe are not to be taken at face value.
Didier Gondola, author of "The History of the DRC", has mentioned to me in an email that "Opération Turquoise" needs to be mentioned as one of the causes of the trouble in the East. I'm sure he won't mind if I paste his main points about the Congo War articles here:
- Xed 19:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
The article has this "Soviet-backed leaders like Patrice Lumumba, who had been deposed in 1960 with Belgian and CIA assistance." I take two issues with this, although I dont know enough about the topic to edit the article.
1 Is it true that Lumumba really was Soviet-backed? In my research, he had saught the help of the Soviets just as he had western countries, but was on the whole unsuccessful on both fronts. The US perception was that Lumumba was either in league with the Soviets or volunerable to that, but the article makes it sound like he uncertainly was.
2 The deposition of Lumumba, again, in my research, seems to have had relatively little to do with the CIA and almost everything to do with the Belgians, along with the UN. The CIA certainly had plots against him, but none came to pass. Can anybody verify this? -- Yinon 18:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It has long been a mystery to me, how a broken down pissant tiny state like Rwanda could exert so much influence over Zaire/Congo ? How does that happen ?? Explaining that issue would be a very welcome enhancement to this article. Eregli bob ( talk) 07:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
It stated in the section recounting the Rwandan genocide that it was the Hutu that ruthlessly massacred the Tutsi but I was always taught to believe that both massacred each other equally, even though there were far more Hutu than Tutsi. I could be incorrect, but if I am not, this seems like a pretty biased and large oversight. Human 9474 ( talk) 14:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Is this really the "first" Congo War? What about the Congo Crisis? If that wasn't a war, I don't know what is. Brutannica ( talk) 04:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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The introduction of this article is unreferenced and is NPOV . I tagged it but it was reverted saying the references are later in the article but this isn't how it works, the references need to to be added to the intro and the NPOV statement needs to be strongly referenced Gnevin ( talk) 22:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hello I wish to bring into question the involvement of Eritrea in this war. I highly doubt that this took place and all references to this points to a Martin Plaut. Martin has been known documented history of levelling baseless accusations against Eritrea. I wish to ask that either this be reviewed or that another source that doesn't reference Martin Plaut either directly or indirectly be used referred to. Ericandude ( talk) 16:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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I must put in doubt the total accuracy of the information on the beginning of this war. That the Anti-Mobutu forces simply gathered up is not true. They were propted and financed to gather by Rwanda and Uganda, who had military, political and financial interests in asserting some level of control at least on the Eastern part of the country, if not the whole country. Many of these rebels had converted to smugling businesses, and such. They had no standing to fight Mobutu, without the APR of Kagame, and the UPDF of Museveni. As mch as the resulting departure of Mobutu was at face value beneficial to the country, the motivations were NOT to liberate the country - it was more of a welcomed side-effect of an opportunistic operation, that sought to use the alleged persecution of the Banyamulenge (who have indeed been dealt pretty raw and painful cards by the Mobutu regime), to justify military presence in The Eastern Congo, by two occupying powers. When they realized it was not going to fly, they engineered a puppet rebellion, made up of a vast majority of Banyamulenge people, and a few old-guard nominal anti-Mobutu resistants, to sell their invasion as a Liberation. A purely politically motivated manufactured rebellion... that just happened to be succesful, as Mobutu's apparatus was already rotten to the core. And so they went ahead, all the way to Kinshasa. The creation turned against its creator, however, when they felt legitimized, and realized the extent of the manipulation (the very official Congolese Armed Forces Chief of Staff was an officer of Rwanda's Army, namely James Kabarebe) - hence, the Second Congo War. Please discuss.
Themalau 14:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
A report here states
If the Rwandan Army is collaborating with the Interahamwe to loot mineral wealth from Congo, you can be pretty sure Rwanda's claims about wanting to root out Interhamwe are not to be taken at face value.
Didier Gondola, author of "The History of the DRC", has mentioned to me in an email that "Opération Turquoise" needs to be mentioned as one of the causes of the trouble in the East. I'm sure he won't mind if I paste his main points about the Congo War articles here:
- Xed 19:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
The article has this "Soviet-backed leaders like Patrice Lumumba, who had been deposed in 1960 with Belgian and CIA assistance." I take two issues with this, although I dont know enough about the topic to edit the article.
1 Is it true that Lumumba really was Soviet-backed? In my research, he had saught the help of the Soviets just as he had western countries, but was on the whole unsuccessful on both fronts. The US perception was that Lumumba was either in league with the Soviets or volunerable to that, but the article makes it sound like he uncertainly was.
2 The deposition of Lumumba, again, in my research, seems to have had relatively little to do with the CIA and almost everything to do with the Belgians, along with the UN. The CIA certainly had plots against him, but none came to pass. Can anybody verify this? -- Yinon 18:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
It has long been a mystery to me, how a broken down pissant tiny state like Rwanda could exert so much influence over Zaire/Congo ? How does that happen ?? Explaining that issue would be a very welcome enhancement to this article. Eregli bob ( talk) 07:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
It stated in the section recounting the Rwandan genocide that it was the Hutu that ruthlessly massacred the Tutsi but I was always taught to believe that both massacred each other equally, even though there were far more Hutu than Tutsi. I could be incorrect, but if I am not, this seems like a pretty biased and large oversight. Human 9474 ( talk) 14:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Is this really the "first" Congo War? What about the Congo Crisis? If that wasn't a war, I don't know what is. Brutannica ( talk) 04:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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The introduction of this article is unreferenced and is NPOV . I tagged it but it was reverted saying the references are later in the article but this isn't how it works, the references need to to be added to the intro and the NPOV statement needs to be strongly referenced Gnevin ( talk) 22:55, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hello I wish to bring into question the involvement of Eritrea in this war. I highly doubt that this took place and all references to this points to a Martin Plaut. Martin has been known documented history of levelling baseless accusations against Eritrea. I wish to ask that either this be reviewed or that another source that doesn't reference Martin Plaut either directly or indirectly be used referred to. Ericandude ( talk) 16:01, 23 May 2023 (UTC)