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I nominated this page for deletion, and, upon refreshing my screen, saw that, in the mean time, a tag had been added saying that the article was undergoing a major edit. I'm not sure if leaving the AFD in place is breaking any rules, and if so, it was not intentional on my part, so I am going to let the AFD stand, and an admin or someone could remove it if this was inappropriate. The Eskimo ( talk) 22:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Eskimo, maybe I can be of assistance. I created the article and I have been editing it since yesterday. If you tell me the reason why you want the article deleted, I can improve the article to where it qualifies to be left alone. How can I help? Fsmatovu ( talk) 19:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I withdrew my AFD nomination following the changes you made, as well as learning a bit more about notability guidelines for banks. I hope you continue to improve the article. The Eskimo ( talk) 20:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Now that you have articulated your concerns, I think they can be effectively addressed. I will continue to work on the article to bring it up to standard. My experience acquired over the last three years tells me that it is not that sources are lacking; but rather it is I who has not yet mastered the art of finding those sources.
Neither I nor my family members have any investment or employment relationship with FirstRand Group or any of its subsidiaries.
What makes writing an article about this topic is the complicated nomenclature and corporate structure within the group. FirstRand Bank, FirstRand Group, FirstRand Limited and First Rand Limited are all used interchangeably in the literature. Yet the chain of banks that comprise the bulk of FirstRand assets are not called "FirstRand"! The are called First National Bank (South Africa) or FNB Zambia or some other County Name. There is even a term called FirstRand Banking Group, which in my opinion clouds the issue even further.
According to the website of the South African Reserve Bank, FirstRand Bank is the second-largest banking conglomerate in South Africa, with over US$80 billion in assets. Such a large business , I am confident, has has a fair amount of press. I just need to find the links to those articles. Fsmatovu ( talk) 23:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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Why is this article entitled "First Rand" when the entity itself always refers to itself as "FirstRand" (no spaces) as does the article itself? danno_ uk 22:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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I nominated this page for deletion, and, upon refreshing my screen, saw that, in the mean time, a tag had been added saying that the article was undergoing a major edit. I'm not sure if leaving the AFD in place is breaking any rules, and if so, it was not intentional on my part, so I am going to let the AFD stand, and an admin or someone could remove it if this was inappropriate. The Eskimo ( talk) 22:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Eskimo, maybe I can be of assistance. I created the article and I have been editing it since yesterday. If you tell me the reason why you want the article deleted, I can improve the article to where it qualifies to be left alone. How can I help? Fsmatovu ( talk) 19:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I withdrew my AFD nomination following the changes you made, as well as learning a bit more about notability guidelines for banks. I hope you continue to improve the article. The Eskimo ( talk) 20:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Now that you have articulated your concerns, I think they can be effectively addressed. I will continue to work on the article to bring it up to standard. My experience acquired over the last three years tells me that it is not that sources are lacking; but rather it is I who has not yet mastered the art of finding those sources.
Neither I nor my family members have any investment or employment relationship with FirstRand Group or any of its subsidiaries.
What makes writing an article about this topic is the complicated nomenclature and corporate structure within the group. FirstRand Bank, FirstRand Group, FirstRand Limited and First Rand Limited are all used interchangeably in the literature. Yet the chain of banks that comprise the bulk of FirstRand assets are not called "FirstRand"! The are called First National Bank (South Africa) or FNB Zambia or some other County Name. There is even a term called FirstRand Banking Group, which in my opinion clouds the issue even further.
According to the website of the South African Reserve Bank, FirstRand Bank is the second-largest banking conglomerate in South Africa, with over US$80 billion in assets. Such a large business , I am confident, has has a fair amount of press. I just need to find the links to those articles. Fsmatovu ( talk) 23:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
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Why is this article entitled "First Rand" when the entity itself always refers to itself as "FirstRand" (no spaces) as does the article itself? danno_ uk 22:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)