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Yep, you're right, Ipstenu. There was a 3rd Firebrand in a 1995 series by Brian Augustyn. I think his name was "Alex Sanchez", but I don't know much about him.
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I reverted
192.30.202.19's changes about the gay spec. First it's spec, and Wikipedia is not the place for that. If you can cite a source where the author/person in question clearly says that, then yes, it's okay. Secondly, his sister was the second firebrand, not 'number 5' (what does that mean?) so I removed that.
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The first blog cited has the following comment from Alicia in the comments section: "I always thought the ASS (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand sucked less than the actual Golden Age Firebrand, who had no powers and wore the same costume. Who says there were no gay 40's heroes?" The second blog included the comment "Condor's plenty gay, but not the gayest. Sure, a large proportion of the Quality Comics roster looked gay: Condor, Ray, Doll Man, Neon the Unknown, Joe Hercules, Red Bee, Firebrand..." So its wrong to say that the blogs cited don't even link to Firebrand; they do. Speculation by people writing Wikipedia is probably not worth putting in the article; but hints and speculation by a writer of the comic book in the text of the comic book is part of the story and needs to be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.20 ( talk)
But those comments were by readers, not writers/creators, and they're just as spec as anything else. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The point of the section was that fan speculation preceded a decision by a creator to make fairly heavy-handed suggestions in a story that the character was gay, much as speculation in Legion of SUper-Heroes fandom that Element Lad was gay eventually led to stories by Keith Giffen and Tom and Mary Bierbaum. The blogs are the evidence that this speculation does exist in the fan community; the cites to the Thomas- scripted story are the story suggestions that have to be discussed. Can anyone come up with a different interpretation of the Thomas-scripted dialogue? -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.20 ( talk)
Sure. "Gee, I never knew my brother had a secret life! Wow, I wonder if he had powers too like I do?" It's pretty simple :) And since the authors didn't say anything, and since Firebrand isn't mentioned in Seduction of the Innocent, it falls under original research and speculation. Which you're very much welcome to, though it's not encyclopedic. BTW, you can sign your posts with ~~~~ so we don't have to keep adding it in for ya. :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 19:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
That strains credulity a bit and is naive to the point of ridiculousness - it doesn't explain the questioning of his relationship with his bodyguard, or the references to a secret in a closet, and she didn't even know she had any powers at the time. Original research and speculation by encyclopedia contributors is one thing; taking cognizance of the speculation that exists in the mainstream is another. Seduction of the Innocent is pure speculation by Wertham; but its still reported and discussed in the articles about Batman and Wonder Woman. Unlike Batman or Wonder Woman, the only thing interesting or worth noting about Firebrand as a character, apart from less-than-his-best artwork by Crandall, is the gay less-than-subtle-hints in the All-Star Squadron stories. ~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.20 ( talk)
Should we name the section Alexander 'Alex' Sanchez or Alex Sanchez? Both are totally valid, as he was known as Alex, but his full name is Alexander. I lean towards the 'known as' name, personally. But let's not have an edit war over it :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 02:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Alejandro works for me. Damn if I know who he is, I never heard of him till I started this article and did a net search! :) Nice job adding info on him. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 17:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of facts, does anyone have proof that the second Firebrand was named after Dann(ette) Thomas? I haven't found any citations on the web to prove it. And since Danette Reilly was created by Perez and Conway (I assume before the Thomas' got hold of her), it seems really unlikely. I think we should delete the line until hard proof surfaces. Konczewski 18:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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Yep, you're right, Ipstenu. There was a 3rd Firebrand in a 1995 series by Brian Augustyn. I think his name was "Alex Sanchez", but I don't know much about him.
Btw, great article! Regards, —
Lesfer
(talk/
@)
19:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I reverted
192.30.202.19's changes about the gay spec. First it's spec, and Wikipedia is not the place for that. If you can cite a source where the author/person in question clearly says that, then yes, it's okay. Secondly, his sister was the second firebrand, not 'number 5' (what does that mean?) so I removed that.
removed section copied below:
Anyone else know about this one? --
Ipstenu (
talk|
contribs)
03:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
The first blog cited has the following comment from Alicia in the comments section: "I always thought the ASS (All-Star Squadron) Firebrand sucked less than the actual Golden Age Firebrand, who had no powers and wore the same costume. Who says there were no gay 40's heroes?" The second blog included the comment "Condor's plenty gay, but not the gayest. Sure, a large proportion of the Quality Comics roster looked gay: Condor, Ray, Doll Man, Neon the Unknown, Joe Hercules, Red Bee, Firebrand..." So its wrong to say that the blogs cited don't even link to Firebrand; they do. Speculation by people writing Wikipedia is probably not worth putting in the article; but hints and speculation by a writer of the comic book in the text of the comic book is part of the story and needs to be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.20 ( talk)
But those comments were by readers, not writers/creators, and they're just as spec as anything else. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:13, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
The point of the section was that fan speculation preceded a decision by a creator to make fairly heavy-handed suggestions in a story that the character was gay, much as speculation in Legion of SUper-Heroes fandom that Element Lad was gay eventually led to stories by Keith Giffen and Tom and Mary Bierbaum. The blogs are the evidence that this speculation does exist in the fan community; the cites to the Thomas- scripted story are the story suggestions that have to be discussed. Can anyone come up with a different interpretation of the Thomas-scripted dialogue? -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.20 ( talk)
Sure. "Gee, I never knew my brother had a secret life! Wow, I wonder if he had powers too like I do?" It's pretty simple :) And since the authors didn't say anything, and since Firebrand isn't mentioned in Seduction of the Innocent, it falls under original research and speculation. Which you're very much welcome to, though it's not encyclopedic. BTW, you can sign your posts with ~~~~ so we don't have to keep adding it in for ya. :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 19:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
That strains credulity a bit and is naive to the point of ridiculousness - it doesn't explain the questioning of his relationship with his bodyguard, or the references to a secret in a closet, and she didn't even know she had any powers at the time. Original research and speculation by encyclopedia contributors is one thing; taking cognizance of the speculation that exists in the mainstream is another. Seduction of the Innocent is pure speculation by Wertham; but its still reported and discussed in the articles about Batman and Wonder Woman. Unlike Batman or Wonder Woman, the only thing interesting or worth noting about Firebrand as a character, apart from less-than-his-best artwork by Crandall, is the gay less-than-subtle-hints in the All-Star Squadron stories. ~~~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.20 ( talk)
Should we name the section Alexander 'Alex' Sanchez or Alex Sanchez? Both are totally valid, as he was known as Alex, but his full name is Alexander. I lean towards the 'known as' name, personally. But let's not have an edit war over it :) -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 02:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Alejandro works for me. Damn if I know who he is, I never heard of him till I started this article and did a net search! :) Nice job adding info on him. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 17:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of facts, does anyone have proof that the second Firebrand was named after Dann(ette) Thomas? I haven't found any citations on the web to prove it. And since Danette Reilly was created by Perez and Conway (I assume before the Thomas' got hold of her), it seems really unlikely. I think we should delete the line until hard proof surfaces. Konczewski 18:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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