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In order to eliminate confusion with the "Fire Sprinkler" article, and to align the definitions of both articles with modern terminology (e.g., NFPA), the title of this article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler", and the title of the "Fire Sprinkler" article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler System". But as I am new, I don't know how to get this accomplished. Fireproeng 22:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I like that idea. Being new to Wiki and seeing a need to make these Fire pages better, I don't know how to do all of that. If you can, that would be great. "Sprinkler Head" does get confused with "lawn sprinkler head." Bombero126 16:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I am in favor of having two seperate articles. One for Fire Sprinklers and one for Fire Sprinkler Systems as a whole. While Sprinkler Head is improper, it is like saying "most remote area" when it is properly "most demanding." We should refer to things by their proper names, but we do slip out of habits caused by years of misspeaking. Bombero126 23:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The table of color codes listed is for New Zealand. Is this the same as in the US? (oops - forgot to sign my name!) -- BennyD 18:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes it is. The color codes are the same for all manufacturers of bulbs so that there is no confusion. I have added the verbage from the latest edition of NFPA 13, the 2007 edition that also gives information about link style sprinklers and maximum celing temps. Bombero126 15:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I tagged this article for cleanup because there iappears to be some sort of stylesheet issue causing it to look all "piled up" (i.e. some elements rendering on top of other elements). My CSS-fu is not really all that great. -- WhiteDragon 15:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The table of temperatures and color codes is unclear. For example, do red bulbs start to break at 100F, 135F, or 155F? The term "Maximum Ceiling Temperature" is never defined. Could somebody please rectify this? - David McCabe ( talk) 06:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
This public television show says William Congreve invented the earliest fire sprinkler 50 years before Henry Parmalee: [1]. 72.244.207.30 ( talk) 22:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
This article says, "The water stream impacts a deflector, which produces a specific spray pattern designed in support of the goals of the sprinkler type (i.e., control or suppression)."
I think the word "impacts" should be changed to "hits" or "strikes"
Neutrino1200 ( talk) 04:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
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There was a section on 'unwanted alarms' that was tagged as 'how-to'. I looked at it, felt it was non-encyclopedic and remove the section ( diff). An editor left a message on my use talk page asking it be restored. I checked the material I removed and still feel it is non-encyclopedic but mention it here in case someone wants to put in an edited version. RJFJR ( talk) 14:36, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
The term should be defined in a way that at least a reasonable number of readers will understand. I found this definition, and this definition but they do not paint me a picture. I would like to understand the units - which metres are measured, what happens in the seconds, why a square root? Maybe someone familiar with the term can help. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:40, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
I propose we change the image for this. On mobile, it appears as something with red liquid which is generally not a fundamental element of this device. As a result, the initial view of it is not as comprehensive as the same thing without the red liquid. Thoughts about changing to another image of the same thing but without the red liquid? FULBERT ( talk) 11:23, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Towards the bottom, the article mentions that quick response sprinklers direct a portion of their spray upward towards the ceiling above. This is false information. The linked website that is used as a source is a contractor that apparently has a misunderstanding of what a Quick Response sprinkler is. A quick response sprinkler is defined solely by its RTI (Response Time Index) and requires a response time index of less than 50. The deflector (which is what is responsible for the spray pattern development of the sprinkler) has nothing at all to do with whether a sprinkler is Quick Response or Standard Response. The term quick response sprinkler is defined by NFPA (multiple NFPA standards include the definition) and NFPA is the only reliable source that should be linked for that definition, not the blog of a random industry contractor.
The type of sprinkler that directs water upward towards the ceiling in addition to downward is actually what is referred to as an "Old Style" or "Conventional Style" sprinkler, and has nothing to do with whether it is a Quick Response or Standard Response type.
These definitions are available to the public at the NFPA website. Each standard is viewable for free as long as you register an account. Definitions can be found in Chapter 3 of each standard. NFPA 13 should be referred to for the definition of Quick Response. See 3.6.4.7 of NFPA 13 2013 edition for the definition of a Quick Response sprinkler, and 3.6.4.5 for the definition of an Old-Style/Conventional Sprinkler.
I think this erroneous definition at the bottom should be removed altogether, especially considering Quick Response sprinklers are already defined earlier in the article (twice, I believe). 24.0.99.168 ( talk) 21:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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In order to eliminate confusion with the "Fire Sprinkler" article, and to align the definitions of both articles with modern terminology (e.g., NFPA), the title of this article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler", and the title of the "Fire Sprinkler" article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler System". But as I am new, I don't know how to get this accomplished. Fireproeng 22:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I like that idea. Being new to Wiki and seeing a need to make these Fire pages better, I don't know how to do all of that. If you can, that would be great. "Sprinkler Head" does get confused with "lawn sprinkler head." Bombero126 16:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I am in favor of having two seperate articles. One for Fire Sprinklers and one for Fire Sprinkler Systems as a whole. While Sprinkler Head is improper, it is like saying "most remote area" when it is properly "most demanding." We should refer to things by their proper names, but we do slip out of habits caused by years of misspeaking. Bombero126 23:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The table of color codes listed is for New Zealand. Is this the same as in the US? (oops - forgot to sign my name!) -- BennyD 18:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes it is. The color codes are the same for all manufacturers of bulbs so that there is no confusion. I have added the verbage from the latest edition of NFPA 13, the 2007 edition that also gives information about link style sprinklers and maximum celing temps. Bombero126 15:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I tagged this article for cleanup because there iappears to be some sort of stylesheet issue causing it to look all "piled up" (i.e. some elements rendering on top of other elements). My CSS-fu is not really all that great. -- WhiteDragon 15:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
The table of temperatures and color codes is unclear. For example, do red bulbs start to break at 100F, 135F, or 155F? The term "Maximum Ceiling Temperature" is never defined. Could somebody please rectify this? - David McCabe ( talk) 06:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
This public television show says William Congreve invented the earliest fire sprinkler 50 years before Henry Parmalee: [1]. 72.244.207.30 ( talk) 22:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
This article says, "The water stream impacts a deflector, which produces a specific spray pattern designed in support of the goals of the sprinkler type (i.e., control or suppression)."
I think the word "impacts" should be changed to "hits" or "strikes"
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There was a section on 'unwanted alarms' that was tagged as 'how-to'. I looked at it, felt it was non-encyclopedic and remove the section ( diff). An editor left a message on my use talk page asking it be restored. I checked the material I removed and still feel it is non-encyclopedic but mention it here in case someone wants to put in an edited version. RJFJR ( talk) 14:36, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
The term should be defined in a way that at least a reasonable number of readers will understand. I found this definition, and this definition but they do not paint me a picture. I would like to understand the units - which metres are measured, what happens in the seconds, why a square root? Maybe someone familiar with the term can help. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:40, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
I propose we change the image for this. On mobile, it appears as something with red liquid which is generally not a fundamental element of this device. As a result, the initial view of it is not as comprehensive as the same thing without the red liquid. Thoughts about changing to another image of the same thing but without the red liquid? FULBERT ( talk) 11:23, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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Towards the bottom, the article mentions that quick response sprinklers direct a portion of their spray upward towards the ceiling above. This is false information. The linked website that is used as a source is a contractor that apparently has a misunderstanding of what a Quick Response sprinkler is. A quick response sprinkler is defined solely by its RTI (Response Time Index) and requires a response time index of less than 50. The deflector (which is what is responsible for the spray pattern development of the sprinkler) has nothing at all to do with whether a sprinkler is Quick Response or Standard Response. The term quick response sprinkler is defined by NFPA (multiple NFPA standards include the definition) and NFPA is the only reliable source that should be linked for that definition, not the blog of a random industry contractor.
The type of sprinkler that directs water upward towards the ceiling in addition to downward is actually what is referred to as an "Old Style" or "Conventional Style" sprinkler, and has nothing to do with whether it is a Quick Response or Standard Response type.
These definitions are available to the public at the NFPA website. Each standard is viewable for free as long as you register an account. Definitions can be found in Chapter 3 of each standard. NFPA 13 should be referred to for the definition of Quick Response. See 3.6.4.7 of NFPA 13 2013 edition for the definition of a Quick Response sprinkler, and 3.6.4.5 for the definition of an Old-Style/Conventional Sprinkler.
I think this erroneous definition at the bottom should be removed altogether, especially considering Quick Response sprinklers are already defined earlier in the article (twice, I believe). 24.0.99.168 ( talk) 21:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)