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The result of the debate was no consensus. -- tariqabjotu 13:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I recommend that this article be moved to the title of "Fire + Water (Lost)" in order to make it consistent with the other episode articles in Category:Lost episodes. -- Elonka
The only guideline that I know of that pertains to this move request is WP:DAB and it says this move request is wrong. This is also not standard among television episodes - see Category:Seinfeld episodes, Category:Friends episodes, Category:Simpsons episodes, and any of the subcategories under Category:South Park episodes — none of them employ the blanket disambiguation convention being attempted here. — Wknight94 ( talk) 23:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought I'd point out that we do have a guideline page about this, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television). "Where an article is created about a single episode, add the series name in parentheses if there are other articles by the same name, e.g. Bart the Genius, but The Sting (Futurama). For Star Trek episodes, always add the series name."
Both styles are considered acceptable by this guideline, meaning that you can use (Lost) for disambig or simply for article consistency. We'd be adding (Lost) not because of a disambig, but for style and consistency reasons. -- Ned Scott 04:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I have moved all the unambiguous titles back to not have the disambiguation parentheses. They are not ambiguous, and so ipso facto do not need disambiguation tags. WikiProjects are not free to decide on whatever naming conventions they want, especially if those naming conventions contravene already-established project-wide naming conventions. In the future, it is advisable for those involved in WikiProjects to ensure that whatever standards and practices they decide on are not contradictory to already-established project-wide conventions and policies. Nohat 21:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Among other things, because it's non-standard to the whole rest of Wikipedia. Until you pointed out the Star Trek exception, I had never seen an article title w/parens which was not a disambiguation. It's just pointless. The only benefit I see is that categories look more uniform and editors don't have to look up whether the title needed disambiguation. Neither of those are benefits to the reader at all - and let's not forget that the readers are the ones we're supposed to be editing for. And the second benefit can be worked around by including disambiguated redirects. — Wknight94 ( talk) 19:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:LOST/Episode guidelines, this page should be moved from Fire + Water to Fire + Water (Lost), to make it consistent with the other Lost episodes at Category:Lost episodes. Anyone interested in supporting or opposing this move, or who believes that a different suffix should be used (such as "(Lost episode)"), or who wishes to comment in any way, is encouraged to participate at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#Name suffix. -- Elonka 14:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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This entire episode is the subject of a detailed "making of" segment on Disc 7 of the Season 2 DVD collection. The making of sets, the Easter Egg of seeing the Nigerian plane in the background of one scene, the locales for shooting, etc. Currently the article here is little more than a plot summary, but it could benefit greatly from the real-world information on the DVD. -- El on ka 05:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If this page won't be moved to "Fire + Water," then it needs to be moved to "Fire Plus Water." This episode is NOT called "Fire and Water" (It's "Fire PLUS Water"). -- 99.151.128.232 ( talk) 19:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was no consensus. -- tariqabjotu 13:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I recommend that this article be moved to the title of "Fire + Water (Lost)" in order to make it consistent with the other episode articles in Category:Lost episodes. -- Elonka
The only guideline that I know of that pertains to this move request is WP:DAB and it says this move request is wrong. This is also not standard among television episodes - see Category:Seinfeld episodes, Category:Friends episodes, Category:Simpsons episodes, and any of the subcategories under Category:South Park episodes — none of them employ the blanket disambiguation convention being attempted here. — Wknight94 ( talk) 23:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I thought I'd point out that we do have a guideline page about this, Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television). "Where an article is created about a single episode, add the series name in parentheses if there are other articles by the same name, e.g. Bart the Genius, but The Sting (Futurama). For Star Trek episodes, always add the series name."
Both styles are considered acceptable by this guideline, meaning that you can use (Lost) for disambig or simply for article consistency. We'd be adding (Lost) not because of a disambig, but for style and consistency reasons. -- Ned Scott 04:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I have moved all the unambiguous titles back to not have the disambiguation parentheses. They are not ambiguous, and so ipso facto do not need disambiguation tags. WikiProjects are not free to decide on whatever naming conventions they want, especially if those naming conventions contravene already-established project-wide naming conventions. In the future, it is advisable for those involved in WikiProjects to ensure that whatever standards and practices they decide on are not contradictory to already-established project-wide conventions and policies. Nohat 21:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Among other things, because it's non-standard to the whole rest of Wikipedia. Until you pointed out the Star Trek exception, I had never seen an article title w/parens which was not a disambiguation. It's just pointless. The only benefit I see is that categories look more uniform and editors don't have to look up whether the title needed disambiguation. Neither of those are benefits to the reader at all - and let's not forget that the readers are the ones we're supposed to be editing for. And the second benefit can be worked around by including disambiguated redirects. — Wknight94 ( talk) 19:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:LOST/Episode guidelines, this page should be moved from Fire + Water to Fire + Water (Lost), to make it consistent with the other Lost episodes at Category:Lost episodes. Anyone interested in supporting or opposing this move, or who believes that a different suffix should be used (such as "(Lost episode)"), or who wishes to comment in any way, is encouraged to participate at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#Name suffix. -- Elonka 14:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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This entire episode is the subject of a detailed "making of" segment on Disc 7 of the Season 2 DVD collection. The making of sets, the Easter Egg of seeing the Nigerian plane in the background of one scene, the locales for shooting, etc. Currently the article here is little more than a plot summary, but it could benefit greatly from the real-world information on the DVD. -- El on ka 05:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
If this page won't be moved to "Fire + Water," then it needs to be moved to "Fire Plus Water." This episode is NOT called "Fire and Water" (It's "Fire PLUS Water"). -- 99.151.128.232 ( talk) 19:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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