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I don't get it, is BFG a portion of Thrivent, or is this statement simply for comparison purposes... ie. don't get your panties in a bunch because the Mormon church has all this money, take a look at what kind of whopper the Lutherans have... Either way, the paragraph ought to be rewritten
Beneficial Financial Group - An insurance and financial services company with assets of $3.1 billion. This is 5% of the size of Thrivent Financial for Lutherans, a religious-oriented nonprofit investment company for Lutherans of any denomination in the United States, which has holdings of over $60 billion and some 3 million participants.
Are donated funds used to support Scouting? There is a reference for the support and endorsement of the programs [1](thanks TrustTruth), but I'm not sure if that includes financial support. Thanks, Alanraywiki 22:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I tagged this with a jargon tag. The following words, and others, probably need to be explained or reworded: "the church," "principle of tithing," "tithes and fast offerings," "chapels," "missionaries." Fredsmith2 ( talk) 13:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
The footnote about this (note 2) is dead, so I can't look that up. I'm in the UK, where as mentioned the church is required to publish such details, but it would be very useful to have an explanation (preferably in the text) as to why they have not published finances in the US since 1959; they must have given a reason at some point, surely. 86.132.142.168 ( talk) 12:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Simple, It doesn't have to. Why don't you publish your finances so i can look at them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.71.167 ( talk) 23:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Took me 5 minutes to find 600+ US Churches that publish financial statements...ECFA.org Rnashwa ( talk) 11:40, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I added citation request. I don't know how to make a snazzy [citation needed] so I did the next best thing I could think of. Please fix the link.
I have never heard of missionaries needing to repay any assistance the church provides them if they cannot afford to serve. Nor have I been asked to repay before, during or after my missionary service. Please prove that statement with a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendgoman ( talk • contribs) 05:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
No mention of extensive properties in Missouri, Arizona, or its General Authority only hunting lodge Utah. No mention of the copious "public/private" companies like Intellectual_Reserve that sell items sold at retail (or higher) that are manufactured by free or at labor costs below US minimum wage. Also no mention of compensation packages made to church general authorities for managing for-profit arms of the LDS chuch. What about the value of church owned properties? Payouts made by the LDS church to settle child molesting cases? Do they own stock in a company while criticizing the competition under a moral guise? While I am not quetioning these acts as legal or not they should at least be mentioned.
It's pretty clear pro-LDS editors have been hard at work on this article. I suspect this modest complaint will be deleted in minutes by editors' of the same ilk. Wikipedia is about facts and that article has very few. 74.104.0.122 ( talk) 00:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
My edit on 05 October relating to the change in monthly missionary costs added a sentence (and source) saying that the cost would increase in July 2020. This was erroneously changed (to say that the cost is currently $500) and then corrected. The end result is that a citation about the current, USD$400 cost was lost (it is replaced with the price change citation) and the sentence about upcoming changes is removed.
Is the upcoming change to missionary costs not appropriate information to this article?
For now, I will make another edit restoring my change. It seems that the removed citation link has gone bad. (I'm apologize if this is not correct Talk page usage) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DivingApple ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
simply went through and made sure the name of the church is update to the current media styling guide e.g. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; the Church of Jesus Christ, the Church. removed "LDS Church" or "Mormon Church" from main article. I left the sources alone of course. This will make no difference in the quality of the article. Thepayne0 ( talk) 21:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
The title of this article, along with a provision at MOS:LDS, violates MOS:THEINST, a site-wide guideline which trumps WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints § Capitalization issue. Thanks. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 05:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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I don't get it, is BFG a portion of Thrivent, or is this statement simply for comparison purposes... ie. don't get your panties in a bunch because the Mormon church has all this money, take a look at what kind of whopper the Lutherans have... Either way, the paragraph ought to be rewritten
Beneficial Financial Group - An insurance and financial services company with assets of $3.1 billion. This is 5% of the size of Thrivent Financial for Lutherans, a religious-oriented nonprofit investment company for Lutherans of any denomination in the United States, which has holdings of over $60 billion and some 3 million participants.
Are donated funds used to support Scouting? There is a reference for the support and endorsement of the programs [1](thanks TrustTruth), but I'm not sure if that includes financial support. Thanks, Alanraywiki 22:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I tagged this with a jargon tag. The following words, and others, probably need to be explained or reworded: "the church," "principle of tithing," "tithes and fast offerings," "chapels," "missionaries." Fredsmith2 ( talk) 13:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
The footnote about this (note 2) is dead, so I can't look that up. I'm in the UK, where as mentioned the church is required to publish such details, but it would be very useful to have an explanation (preferably in the text) as to why they have not published finances in the US since 1959; they must have given a reason at some point, surely. 86.132.142.168 ( talk) 12:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Simple, It doesn't have to. Why don't you publish your finances so i can look at them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.71.167 ( talk) 23:33, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Took me 5 minutes to find 600+ US Churches that publish financial statements...ECFA.org Rnashwa ( talk) 11:40, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I added citation request. I don't know how to make a snazzy [citation needed] so I did the next best thing I could think of. Please fix the link.
I have never heard of missionaries needing to repay any assistance the church provides them if they cannot afford to serve. Nor have I been asked to repay before, during or after my missionary service. Please prove that statement with a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendgoman ( talk • contribs) 05:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
No mention of extensive properties in Missouri, Arizona, or its General Authority only hunting lodge Utah. No mention of the copious "public/private" companies like Intellectual_Reserve that sell items sold at retail (or higher) that are manufactured by free or at labor costs below US minimum wage. Also no mention of compensation packages made to church general authorities for managing for-profit arms of the LDS chuch. What about the value of church owned properties? Payouts made by the LDS church to settle child molesting cases? Do they own stock in a company while criticizing the competition under a moral guise? While I am not quetioning these acts as legal or not they should at least be mentioned.
It's pretty clear pro-LDS editors have been hard at work on this article. I suspect this modest complaint will be deleted in minutes by editors' of the same ilk. Wikipedia is about facts and that article has very few. 74.104.0.122 ( talk) 00:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
My edit on 05 October relating to the change in monthly missionary costs added a sentence (and source) saying that the cost would increase in July 2020. This was erroneously changed (to say that the cost is currently $500) and then corrected. The end result is that a citation about the current, USD$400 cost was lost (it is replaced with the price change citation) and the sentence about upcoming changes is removed.
Is the upcoming change to missionary costs not appropriate information to this article?
For now, I will make another edit restoring my change. It seems that the removed citation link has gone bad. (I'm apologize if this is not correct Talk page usage) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DivingApple ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
simply went through and made sure the name of the church is update to the current media styling guide e.g. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; the Church of Jesus Christ, the Church. removed "LDS Church" or "Mormon Church" from main article. I left the sources alone of course. This will make no difference in the quality of the article. Thepayne0 ( talk) 21:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
The title of this article, along with a provision at MOS:LDS, violates MOS:THEINST, a site-wide guideline which trumps WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints § Capitalization issue. Thanks. InfiniteNexus ( talk) 05:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)