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The scripts used in the English language SNES and Playstation releases are, in fact, different. The Playstation version seems to have more text; I would assume that the SNES game had to have its script shortened because of memory limitations. Anyone else know anything about this? CronoDAS
The Japanese versions of the character names are incorrect. The Japanese language cannot be correctly transliterated to the names you have given.
Darrien 09:05, 2004 May 16 (UTC)
Do you think we could get a standard format for all the characters? I see that half are formatted one way, and the other half are formatted the other. The only thing that seems to stay constant is the Info Box. user:Grevlek
The current description on the summoning of magicite is incorrect. Although a lot of the game's summons are damage based ones, a lot are not. For example, summoning Fenrir (Moon Dance) endowes your party with blink status, and summoning starlet cures some hp of your party. I'm not sure quite how to word it at the moment to make it more correct, so if someone could change that part, that'd be good.
Bah, I just changed it myself. That's more accurate now. : Krakhan
The pages for the NPCs other than Kefka are quite short and unlikely to grow any longer. The same goes for the various locations in the story (Tzen, etc.) It's a bit excessive to have a page on _every_ minor city in the game. I'm tempted to merge them into the main article -- thoughts? jdb ❋ ( talk) 04:21, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
List of other CDs featuring music from the game:
What are the odds of getting this made into a feature article?-- ZeWrestler 00:51 March 15, 2005 (UTC)
I remember an option in the game that allowed users to divide control of party members between two users. Would that classify as a multiplayer mode for the game? -- ZeWrestler 2:05 16 March, 2005
I was going to add a description of this to the article, and saw this mention here so I figured I'd reference it. It's under the config screen, and you're able to assign each character to the first or second controller. You can also use this to engage in fights with your own party with two people since you can target your own members, or just give a second person a chance to play along while you're going through the game.-- BigCow 01:17, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Relm is ten years old, not 14. It says so in-game. Relm: What's up there lover boy? Edgar: Wait... HOW old are you? Relm: Ten, why? Edgar: Now that's just criminal. (or something like that)
A recent flash animation: Sega Fantasy is making the rounds. The animation retells the final battle (and ending) using videogame consoles instead of characters from the game. Coming in at over thirty minutes, it reflects a lot of work.
-- GSBertrand 15:22, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at the Light of Judgement artical. I personally think that artical is not needed, and if anything should probally be merged with the Kefka artical or the artical about Tzen. What do you guys think? -- ZeWrestler 21:37, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I had read rumors that Eidos Interactive had originally planned to release FFVI (and FFV) on PC sometime around 1996. Has anyone else read about this?
I found a site actually talking about this, featuring a screenshot for Final Fantasy VI Windows 95 version, but the site was awfully badly written and looked too much amateurish + the screenshot looked the same as the SNES version so it's hard to tell. We'd need real info from a good website. – DarkEvil 22:29, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
This is the e-mail he sent to me on July 28, 2005 10:17:57 PM
Hi,
Here's the information I know about Final Fantasy VI PC, the game was not a hoax or April Fool's joke. It was not developed by Square, Eidos or Top Dog Software. They hired another development house to port the game, I do not know the name. The development team that was involved with the FF5 PC port was not connected to the FF6 PC port team. My source for this information is legit.
The interview with the three people involved in the Final Fantasy V PC port on my site is real. I took the interview myself and those pictures on my site of the Windows 95 version are from the actual PC version. You can find plenty of information by reading that interview.
I hope this information helps you with your project.
Please credit myself as Marcelo X and the site as WarMECH's Domain (with MECH in all caps)
Thanks,
Marcelo
– DarkEvil 15:51, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Marcelo X from WarMECH's Domain. The FF6 PC picture is not real, there are no screenshots released for FF6 PC. That picture was taken from the awards section of my site and since every award had a picture, I put one in for FF6 PC. I wrote on top part of the picture "Actual Screenshots Unreleased" so people wouldn't think this was a real screen shot. I found that hacked screenshot on the web a few years ago, it looked interesting so I kept it. Also, when I mentioned that the screenshots were from the actual Windows 95 version, I was talking about the FF5 PC pictures, not the FF6 PC picture. Sorry for all this confusion, but I've never found/seen any FF6 PC screenshots. - Marcelo X / August 15, 2005
I moved "Image:Final Fantasy VI JAP Final Kefka.png" to Kefka Palazzo.
The problem with the picture was that it's a screenshot of the very last boss of the game. While I agree in principle that Spoiler Warning should be enough, I think pictures are kind of pushing it. Especially if you can't really edit the caption of the image to make it a bit less incriminating.
I don't see why we'd need to put specifically the last form of Kefka here; any screenie of Kefka would do! (I'll put the other screenie from Kefka article here instead, maybe it's less annoying.)
There's a huge-o-nomous discussion about this in Talk:Final Fantasy VII (regarding Safer Sephiroth pic in Final Fantasy VII article). I hope there's some sort of consensus about posting final boss pics in the articles. In the meantime...?
-- Wwwwolf 19:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
What ever happened to the table that showed the differances between US and Japanese versions of the game? -- ZeWrestler Talk 12:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm looking at the advertisement that Igordebraga uploaded. Should that belong in this article? -- ZeWrestler Talk 19:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
What's the official spelling of the Japanese Rōmaji of Final Fantasy. On the Final Fantasy article, it's Fainaru Fantajii while on the Internet Movie Database it's Fainaru Fantajî, a slight difference, maybe the two are good but I really don't know Japanese. Also maybe we should include the Japanese name next to the english name at the top of the Final Fantasy VI article but not before knowing which one is the real one. – DarkEvil 14:34, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
62.252.32.13Fainaru Fantaji- VII http://www.square-enix.com/jp/index_f.html Square-Enix use this spelling for the Final Fantasy VII, so I guess it's the same for Final Fantasy VI. Japan has an alphabet for foreign words. So the Final Fantasy title is in English, but in Japanese writing style. The extra I came from romanization of the Japanese characters. The most accurate way to spell it is Fainaru Fantaji-, because that's an exact romanised version of the way Square-Enix spell it. 62.252.32.13 11:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)LukeAcidwalker
O.K. so Fainaru Fantaji VI and so on should be the correct translation, good, thank you. so the accent on the î like this is not really good or can it be both? This is the minor point I still want to know about before changing, but I'll maybe ask a Japanese user I know now, once again, thanks for the help. – DarkEvil 15:17, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
I spoke to User:Lockeownzj00 who can contribute with a level 2 Japanese. He told me some facts about the romanization of the name Final Fantasy and it seems both Fainaru Fantajii or Fainaru Fantajî would be good. So, there is no need to change that. – DarkEvil 17:18, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
I've uploaded a censored version and an uncensored version of the Chadnoook boss from screenshots from the SNES and PSX release. I have censored and uncensored versions of all enemies to which this applies. I didn't put the image in the section talking about censorship because there have been the title screen graphics in the past which were eventually removed and I've thought maybe images were not wanted there, but I think they could help more than words to illustrate what is meant by censorship. The images are below, censored American release right, Japanese release also used on PSX left.
See uncensored
See censored
–
DarkEvil 01:35, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
The images are great, and they're the first new thing I've seen about FFVI in a long time. I would like to see them all linked from the censored version to the uncensored version in the image description so users can see the changes between the two images without hitting back and going through an intermediate page. It looks like some of them were, but this has been removed. I think it would be NPOV to just say this image was modified for the North American Release. The modified version can be found here: That way you don't end up calling it censorship. -- Norvy (talk) 16:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I just read an edit someone made to the Secret of Evermore article about the FFVI cast having a cameo. I remember this and tracked it down. I figured we could mention it in the individual characters articles as "other appearances" like they have for other FF characters. If not, still see if you can figure out who these people are. =) ~ Hibana 21:07, August 13, 2005 (UTC) see image
i edited the paragraph to be coherent as is, but as another editor pointed out, we jumped from the first hour to about halfway through the game in a second. we need to change it all or add some of the filler details. Lockeownzj00 19:21, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
I just added a lot to the story, but I tried to condense it as much as possible. I made it using the game script on gamefaqs as a reference. Someone with a more recent memory of the game should probably go over it and give it a little tlc to make sure I'm not misrepresenting anything. -- Norvy (talk) 22:37, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm removing the Wikipedia link for Tim Rogers as it seems that the insert credit Tim Rogers does not have a Wikipedia page. The Tim Rogers that was linked before is about some Australian band's founder. If anyone feels like giving ic Tim Rogers a page feel free to change the link back so that it is correct. -- FDIS 06:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
How would people feel about removing the infobox picture entirely? Any image we put there is already at the bottom of the page in the gallery. I'm not sure an image is needed, and it would keep the infobox from trickling down into the next heading. -- Norvy (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
If we decide to trim down the graphical censorship section, let's discuss what to keep and what to drop. I like the following, mainly because you don't have to squint to see the differences:
The title screen and the pub are described in the text, so let's drop 'em. I think four is a would be a reasonable sampling. Thoughts? -- Norvy (talk) 22:47, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I've condensed the table, and dropped Goddess to make room for the title screen. -- Norvy (talk) 01:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
well, I would really hate to remove the pictures from both sections, so can anyone else think of some information that should be added into those sections. BrianSmithson had some ideas in the peer review to include information about the mixes of the game. -- ZeWrestler Talk 00:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
That's about it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:30, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
I liked it better the old way. Having both makes them go down too far. -- Norvy (talk) 03:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Its different. I have to look at it a bit more. You followed the guidelines that were given to you to the letter. Used "English Box". The guidelines never said which box to use. -- ZeWrestler Talk 04:03, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
To me, the issue with the boxart is that it should illustrate that the user is at the correct page. Having a Final Fantasy III graphic on a page titled Final Fantasy VI may confuse some. Because of the special situation with the differently numbered release, using something with the VI in it makes sense. I don't see a problem with using the European release, which was mainly intended for the UK. The discussion mentioned by Seancdaug contains no mention of mandating American, English, or Japanese versions, it's just a discussion between screenshots and box art. -- Norvy (talk) 05:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I've restored the old infobox, as there wasn't much positive reception to the new one, including from people who didn't like the old one. -- Norvy (talk) 14:45, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
The infobox lists single- and multiplayer modes. But the multiplayer mode of FF6 is not very important at all, and isn't even mentioned in the article. So I propose to either remove the multiplayer mode from the infobox, or add a short paragraph on it in the gameplay section. I'd do it myself, but I'm not quite sure exactly how the multiplayer mode works, I never used it and don't have the game at hand right now. -- grm_wnr Esc 14:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
The more I look at the original infobox, the less I like it. Specifically, I really don't like the number of linebreaks in the release dates and publisher section. I've modified the two box approach, and hope that by moving the box art to a seperate section (while keeping the original Japanese box art in the first box) we can eliminate the length problem others have noted: on my display, at least, the new arrangement actually takes less height than the old combined 'box.
Also, I made a number of copyedits to the graphics, music, and censorship section. My biggest concern is that a lot of NPOV editorializing is already starting to creep back into the censorship section. In particular, the comment about "adult themes" in the game was pretty baldly NPOV, kind of irrelevant, and unsubstantiated (FF6 was not even among the first games to deal with the concept of genocide or suicide, and really wasn't even the first game in the series to do so, and calling "teen pregnancy" a major issue in the game is a bit excessive, given the circumstances in which it is presented). – Seancdaug 15:50, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
(UTC)
Just a comment, guys, as this seems to have been a source of some confusion: it is no accident that the release date for Final Fantasy Anthology (the North American version) is not listed in the infobox. This article is about Final Fantasy VI, and there was no PlayStation game released under that title in North America. There is an article about FF Anthology, and it includes the relevant release information. There's no reason to duplicate that information, and it's likely to confuse the uninitiated, anyway. – Seancdaug 21:05, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
I've just posted some fairly major changes as per the discussion over at the featured article vote. I've put the Japanese box art in the infobox because a number of people were still grousing over that. It's not my preferred solution, but I think it's acceptable, and it should make some of the naysayers happy. Other than that, I've substantially rewritten the story section, chopping it down even further, and the character section. I'm not sure about the character section, actually: I'm not sure it holds together well as a paragraph, but I hope it's a little better than the old list. I've also added a section specifically on the PlayStation remake. Can someone take a look to make sure the prose all hangs together well? – Seancdaug 15:45, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
IMO, the character section is kind of hard to digest now. I think the plot looks better. What's the precedent on taking the much longer summary that used to be there off into a separate article and linking to it as main article: plot of FFVI? As for another point raised by someone at FAC, I researched play time a while back, and got a broad range of 40-60 hours (although that speed run link that is now removed claimed it could be done in under 6). Any suggestions as to arrive at a "definitive" number, or should we just claim a range, i.e. 40-60 hours, depending on the player? -- Norvy (talk) 16:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that the logo in the info-box has been changed to boxart. I understand that this is correct in terms with wikiproject video games, but it really makes more sence to use the logos for the Final Fantasy series (and probably other series of video games.) What are other editors thoughts on this? Would anyone be intrested in polling wikiproject video games to loosen that guidline? -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 17:37, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Per the FAC I've started this to-do list of items mentioned during the FAC that need to be done to this article.
If anyone else has more suggestions, add them here and we'll work on them. --
ZeWrestler
Talk
17:58, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
(this "to-do list", I thought about doing like in,e.g. Talk:Mars, but the beginning has too many stuff!:)
I've read in the IMDb that Square made "a N64 test demo" featuring FFVI characters [4], and recently, I've found a link to images of those trailers [5]. Can this have any place on the article? igordebraga ≠ 00:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
P.S.:too bad we lost the FA.
Isn't the information on the speedrun fan-cruft? -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 18:23, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Final Fantasy VI's character pages are up for deletion by user A Link to the Past. His justification is that they "only appears in one game." I'm wondering if anyone has the authority to simply take the AfD down. Otherwise, everyone vote. ~ Hibana 00:18, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I never told anyone to "Vote Keep," LttP. I just wondered if the AfD was justified and told everyone to "Vote." ~ Hibana 03:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
There are two pages describing FF6 characters: List_of_Final_Fantasy_VI_characters and List_of_Final_Fantasy_characters, the latter of which is linked to by this page under the See Also heading. To be consistent, I think it should link to the FF6 specific characters, but this seems to be a point of debate, so I'm asking before doing. Don
I believe the information on ATB battles is incorrect.
"Compared to previous titles featuring the Active Time Battle, the player is able to pick any character who has a filled action bar and has not yet received any commands, instead of forcing the player to issue commands to whatever character had their action bar filled first."
If I remember correctly, you could wait for another characters bar to fill, then press X I believe and you could input commands for the other character. I think this sentance should therefore be removed.
-Raum
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The scripts used in the English language SNES and Playstation releases are, in fact, different. The Playstation version seems to have more text; I would assume that the SNES game had to have its script shortened because of memory limitations. Anyone else know anything about this? CronoDAS
The Japanese versions of the character names are incorrect. The Japanese language cannot be correctly transliterated to the names you have given.
Darrien 09:05, 2004 May 16 (UTC)
Do you think we could get a standard format for all the characters? I see that half are formatted one way, and the other half are formatted the other. The only thing that seems to stay constant is the Info Box. user:Grevlek
The current description on the summoning of magicite is incorrect. Although a lot of the game's summons are damage based ones, a lot are not. For example, summoning Fenrir (Moon Dance) endowes your party with blink status, and summoning starlet cures some hp of your party. I'm not sure quite how to word it at the moment to make it more correct, so if someone could change that part, that'd be good.
Bah, I just changed it myself. That's more accurate now. : Krakhan
The pages for the NPCs other than Kefka are quite short and unlikely to grow any longer. The same goes for the various locations in the story (Tzen, etc.) It's a bit excessive to have a page on _every_ minor city in the game. I'm tempted to merge them into the main article -- thoughts? jdb ❋ ( talk) 04:21, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
List of other CDs featuring music from the game:
What are the odds of getting this made into a feature article?-- ZeWrestler 00:51 March 15, 2005 (UTC)
I remember an option in the game that allowed users to divide control of party members between two users. Would that classify as a multiplayer mode for the game? -- ZeWrestler 2:05 16 March, 2005
I was going to add a description of this to the article, and saw this mention here so I figured I'd reference it. It's under the config screen, and you're able to assign each character to the first or second controller. You can also use this to engage in fights with your own party with two people since you can target your own members, or just give a second person a chance to play along while you're going through the game.-- BigCow 01:17, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Relm is ten years old, not 14. It says so in-game. Relm: What's up there lover boy? Edgar: Wait... HOW old are you? Relm: Ten, why? Edgar: Now that's just criminal. (or something like that)
A recent flash animation: Sega Fantasy is making the rounds. The animation retells the final battle (and ending) using videogame consoles instead of characters from the game. Coming in at over thirty minutes, it reflects a lot of work.
-- GSBertrand 15:22, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at the Light of Judgement artical. I personally think that artical is not needed, and if anything should probally be merged with the Kefka artical or the artical about Tzen. What do you guys think? -- ZeWrestler 21:37, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I had read rumors that Eidos Interactive had originally planned to release FFVI (and FFV) on PC sometime around 1996. Has anyone else read about this?
I found a site actually talking about this, featuring a screenshot for Final Fantasy VI Windows 95 version, but the site was awfully badly written and looked too much amateurish + the screenshot looked the same as the SNES version so it's hard to tell. We'd need real info from a good website. – DarkEvil 22:29, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
This is the e-mail he sent to me on July 28, 2005 10:17:57 PM
Hi,
Here's the information I know about Final Fantasy VI PC, the game was not a hoax or April Fool's joke. It was not developed by Square, Eidos or Top Dog Software. They hired another development house to port the game, I do not know the name. The development team that was involved with the FF5 PC port was not connected to the FF6 PC port team. My source for this information is legit.
The interview with the three people involved in the Final Fantasy V PC port on my site is real. I took the interview myself and those pictures on my site of the Windows 95 version are from the actual PC version. You can find plenty of information by reading that interview.
I hope this information helps you with your project.
Please credit myself as Marcelo X and the site as WarMECH's Domain (with MECH in all caps)
Thanks,
Marcelo
– DarkEvil 15:51, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I'm Marcelo X from WarMECH's Domain. The FF6 PC picture is not real, there are no screenshots released for FF6 PC. That picture was taken from the awards section of my site and since every award had a picture, I put one in for FF6 PC. I wrote on top part of the picture "Actual Screenshots Unreleased" so people wouldn't think this was a real screen shot. I found that hacked screenshot on the web a few years ago, it looked interesting so I kept it. Also, when I mentioned that the screenshots were from the actual Windows 95 version, I was talking about the FF5 PC pictures, not the FF6 PC picture. Sorry for all this confusion, but I've never found/seen any FF6 PC screenshots. - Marcelo X / August 15, 2005
I moved "Image:Final Fantasy VI JAP Final Kefka.png" to Kefka Palazzo.
The problem with the picture was that it's a screenshot of the very last boss of the game. While I agree in principle that Spoiler Warning should be enough, I think pictures are kind of pushing it. Especially if you can't really edit the caption of the image to make it a bit less incriminating.
I don't see why we'd need to put specifically the last form of Kefka here; any screenie of Kefka would do! (I'll put the other screenie from Kefka article here instead, maybe it's less annoying.)
There's a huge-o-nomous discussion about this in Talk:Final Fantasy VII (regarding Safer Sephiroth pic in Final Fantasy VII article). I hope there's some sort of consensus about posting final boss pics in the articles. In the meantime...?
-- Wwwwolf 19:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
What ever happened to the table that showed the differances between US and Japanese versions of the game? -- ZeWrestler Talk 12:30, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm looking at the advertisement that Igordebraga uploaded. Should that belong in this article? -- ZeWrestler Talk 19:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
What's the official spelling of the Japanese Rōmaji of Final Fantasy. On the Final Fantasy article, it's Fainaru Fantajii while on the Internet Movie Database it's Fainaru Fantajî, a slight difference, maybe the two are good but I really don't know Japanese. Also maybe we should include the Japanese name next to the english name at the top of the Final Fantasy VI article but not before knowing which one is the real one. – DarkEvil 14:34, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
62.252.32.13Fainaru Fantaji- VII http://www.square-enix.com/jp/index_f.html Square-Enix use this spelling for the Final Fantasy VII, so I guess it's the same for Final Fantasy VI. Japan has an alphabet for foreign words. So the Final Fantasy title is in English, but in Japanese writing style. The extra I came from romanization of the Japanese characters. The most accurate way to spell it is Fainaru Fantaji-, because that's an exact romanised version of the way Square-Enix spell it. 62.252.32.13 11:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)LukeAcidwalker
O.K. so Fainaru Fantaji VI and so on should be the correct translation, good, thank you. so the accent on the î like this is not really good or can it be both? This is the minor point I still want to know about before changing, but I'll maybe ask a Japanese user I know now, once again, thanks for the help. – DarkEvil 15:17, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
I spoke to User:Lockeownzj00 who can contribute with a level 2 Japanese. He told me some facts about the romanization of the name Final Fantasy and it seems both Fainaru Fantajii or Fainaru Fantajî would be good. So, there is no need to change that. – DarkEvil 17:18, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
I've uploaded a censored version and an uncensored version of the Chadnoook boss from screenshots from the SNES and PSX release. I have censored and uncensored versions of all enemies to which this applies. I didn't put the image in the section talking about censorship because there have been the title screen graphics in the past which were eventually removed and I've thought maybe images were not wanted there, but I think they could help more than words to illustrate what is meant by censorship. The images are below, censored American release right, Japanese release also used on PSX left.
See uncensored
See censored
–
DarkEvil 01:35, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
The images are great, and they're the first new thing I've seen about FFVI in a long time. I would like to see them all linked from the censored version to the uncensored version in the image description so users can see the changes between the two images without hitting back and going through an intermediate page. It looks like some of them were, but this has been removed. I think it would be NPOV to just say this image was modified for the North American Release. The modified version can be found here: That way you don't end up calling it censorship. -- Norvy (talk) 16:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I just read an edit someone made to the Secret of Evermore article about the FFVI cast having a cameo. I remember this and tracked it down. I figured we could mention it in the individual characters articles as "other appearances" like they have for other FF characters. If not, still see if you can figure out who these people are. =) ~ Hibana 21:07, August 13, 2005 (UTC) see image
i edited the paragraph to be coherent as is, but as another editor pointed out, we jumped from the first hour to about halfway through the game in a second. we need to change it all or add some of the filler details. Lockeownzj00 19:21, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
I just added a lot to the story, but I tried to condense it as much as possible. I made it using the game script on gamefaqs as a reference. Someone with a more recent memory of the game should probably go over it and give it a little tlc to make sure I'm not misrepresenting anything. -- Norvy (talk) 22:37, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm removing the Wikipedia link for Tim Rogers as it seems that the insert credit Tim Rogers does not have a Wikipedia page. The Tim Rogers that was linked before is about some Australian band's founder. If anyone feels like giving ic Tim Rogers a page feel free to change the link back so that it is correct. -- FDIS 06:22, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
How would people feel about removing the infobox picture entirely? Any image we put there is already at the bottom of the page in the gallery. I'm not sure an image is needed, and it would keep the infobox from trickling down into the next heading. -- Norvy (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
If we decide to trim down the graphical censorship section, let's discuss what to keep and what to drop. I like the following, mainly because you don't have to squint to see the differences:
The title screen and the pub are described in the text, so let's drop 'em. I think four is a would be a reasonable sampling. Thoughts? -- Norvy (talk) 22:47, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
I've condensed the table, and dropped Goddess to make room for the title screen. -- Norvy (talk) 01:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
well, I would really hate to remove the pictures from both sections, so can anyone else think of some information that should be added into those sections. BrianSmithson had some ideas in the peer review to include information about the mixes of the game. -- ZeWrestler Talk 00:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
That's about it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:30, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
I liked it better the old way. Having both makes them go down too far. -- Norvy (talk) 03:55, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Its different. I have to look at it a bit more. You followed the guidelines that were given to you to the letter. Used "English Box". The guidelines never said which box to use. -- ZeWrestler Talk 04:03, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
To me, the issue with the boxart is that it should illustrate that the user is at the correct page. Having a Final Fantasy III graphic on a page titled Final Fantasy VI may confuse some. Because of the special situation with the differently numbered release, using something with the VI in it makes sense. I don't see a problem with using the European release, which was mainly intended for the UK. The discussion mentioned by Seancdaug contains no mention of mandating American, English, or Japanese versions, it's just a discussion between screenshots and box art. -- Norvy (talk) 05:04, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I've restored the old infobox, as there wasn't much positive reception to the new one, including from people who didn't like the old one. -- Norvy (talk) 14:45, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
The infobox lists single- and multiplayer modes. But the multiplayer mode of FF6 is not very important at all, and isn't even mentioned in the article. So I propose to either remove the multiplayer mode from the infobox, or add a short paragraph on it in the gameplay section. I'd do it myself, but I'm not quite sure exactly how the multiplayer mode works, I never used it and don't have the game at hand right now. -- grm_wnr Esc 14:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
The more I look at the original infobox, the less I like it. Specifically, I really don't like the number of linebreaks in the release dates and publisher section. I've modified the two box approach, and hope that by moving the box art to a seperate section (while keeping the original Japanese box art in the first box) we can eliminate the length problem others have noted: on my display, at least, the new arrangement actually takes less height than the old combined 'box.
Also, I made a number of copyedits to the graphics, music, and censorship section. My biggest concern is that a lot of NPOV editorializing is already starting to creep back into the censorship section. In particular, the comment about "adult themes" in the game was pretty baldly NPOV, kind of irrelevant, and unsubstantiated (FF6 was not even among the first games to deal with the concept of genocide or suicide, and really wasn't even the first game in the series to do so, and calling "teen pregnancy" a major issue in the game is a bit excessive, given the circumstances in which it is presented). – Seancdaug 15:50, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
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Just a comment, guys, as this seems to have been a source of some confusion: it is no accident that the release date for Final Fantasy Anthology (the North American version) is not listed in the infobox. This article is about Final Fantasy VI, and there was no PlayStation game released under that title in North America. There is an article about FF Anthology, and it includes the relevant release information. There's no reason to duplicate that information, and it's likely to confuse the uninitiated, anyway. – Seancdaug 21:05, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
I've just posted some fairly major changes as per the discussion over at the featured article vote. I've put the Japanese box art in the infobox because a number of people were still grousing over that. It's not my preferred solution, but I think it's acceptable, and it should make some of the naysayers happy. Other than that, I've substantially rewritten the story section, chopping it down even further, and the character section. I'm not sure about the character section, actually: I'm not sure it holds together well as a paragraph, but I hope it's a little better than the old list. I've also added a section specifically on the PlayStation remake. Can someone take a look to make sure the prose all hangs together well? – Seancdaug 15:45, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
IMO, the character section is kind of hard to digest now. I think the plot looks better. What's the precedent on taking the much longer summary that used to be there off into a separate article and linking to it as main article: plot of FFVI? As for another point raised by someone at FAC, I researched play time a while back, and got a broad range of 40-60 hours (although that speed run link that is now removed claimed it could be done in under 6). Any suggestions as to arrive at a "definitive" number, or should we just claim a range, i.e. 40-60 hours, depending on the player? -- Norvy (talk) 16:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that the logo in the info-box has been changed to boxart. I understand that this is correct in terms with wikiproject video games, but it really makes more sence to use the logos for the Final Fantasy series (and probably other series of video games.) What are other editors thoughts on this? Would anyone be intrested in polling wikiproject video games to loosen that guidline? -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 17:37, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Per the FAC I've started this to-do list of items mentioned during the FAC that need to be done to this article.
If anyone else has more suggestions, add them here and we'll work on them. --
ZeWrestler
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(this "to-do list", I thought about doing like in,e.g. Talk:Mars, but the beginning has too many stuff!:)
I've read in the IMDb that Square made "a N64 test demo" featuring FFVI characters [4], and recently, I've found a link to images of those trailers [5]. Can this have any place on the article? igordebraga ≠ 00:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
P.S.:too bad we lost the FA.
Isn't the information on the speedrun fan-cruft? -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 18:23, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Final Fantasy VI's character pages are up for deletion by user A Link to the Past. His justification is that they "only appears in one game." I'm wondering if anyone has the authority to simply take the AfD down. Otherwise, everyone vote. ~ Hibana 00:18, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I never told anyone to "Vote Keep," LttP. I just wondered if the AfD was justified and told everyone to "Vote." ~ Hibana 03:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
There are two pages describing FF6 characters: List_of_Final_Fantasy_VI_characters and List_of_Final_Fantasy_characters, the latter of which is linked to by this page under the See Also heading. To be consistent, I think it should link to the FF6 specific characters, but this seems to be a point of debate, so I'm asking before doing. Don
I believe the information on ATB battles is incorrect.
"Compared to previous titles featuring the Active Time Battle, the player is able to pick any character who has a filled action bar and has not yet received any commands, instead of forcing the player to issue commands to whatever character had their action bar filled first."
If I remember correctly, you could wait for another characters bar to fill, then press X I believe and you could input commands for the other character. I think this sentance should therefore be removed.
-Raum