Two obvious points:
1) Combat occurs far too often to the point that it is simply irritating (Citation not needed, trust me on this one), as well as monsters are not visible, fights seem to occur randomly outside of safe locations eg: Towns or when air bourn.
2) Gameplay (At least on the earlier games) is extremely linier especially when compared to games such as the Might & Magic Series ( Might_&_Magic). The games feel as if they 'run on rails' and there is very little, if any free exploration or decisions on order of missions/quests.
30/09/2006 02:40 GMT (Anon)
(Drewbacca123 here. I'd just like to say that the above cannot really approve of Final Fantasy, as any fan knows the fights are the main part of the game, and without them you cannot proceed in the game. Also, there are dozens of sub-quests and minigames to complete, i.e. the chocobo treasures/Ozma battle in FF9) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drewbacca123 ( talk • contribs) 17:10, 24 February 2007. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 21:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I have started a reorganization of the Criticism section. I think this approach will help us present criticisms in a way that non-FF fans can better understand. I started the first few sections. The original text I left under General Comments If others like the way I started, my plan is to fold the original comments into various sections, similar to what I have done so far.
I would encourage people to take a minimalist approach to criticism. There is no need (IMHO) to document all the variations that exist, but rather talk about trends, with possibly a few examples. The more "in this title, this happened, but in that title, that happened" there is in an article, the harder it is to follow. I believe the goal should be to help the reader understand the major criticisms about the series, and possibly the reasons behind those views.
What do the rest of you think? wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 03:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.43.112 ( talk • contribs)
It looks to me like a lot of the criticism section has largely been rewritten by 81.96.205.76. This would seem to be the cause for even more tags indicating how messy the criticism section is. Is there agreement that perhaps these changed should be reverted? Logalot 01:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC) (Forgot to log in)
On the official Square Sites, it says Final Fantasy in capitals, why? -- FlareNUKE 04:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
So maybe the names should be in Capitals then? -- FlareNUKE 11:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
There wasn't an entry on the requested moves page for this, so I added an entry that said to discuss the rename here. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 13:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
It is Wikipedia convention (i.e. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)) to use normal capitalization rules regardless of whether or not the trademark holder might prefer all-caps. As such this should stay "Final Fantasy". Dragons flight 14:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Not moved. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 08:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
It's also because the game is of Japanese origin, and I generally find that when an English word is used in Japanese, it's always in full capitals... AVALANCHE from Final Fantasy VII, for instance, doesn't stand for anything, but it's name is in full capitals, like an acronym. That's just my thoughts though. -- Sleeping Evil 14:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
As a note, Final Fantasy is not trademarked as all capitals, but it's a constant. The tradition began with the first game. All dialogue was in capitals, including the box art, and the intro screen. It's not so much a neccessity as it is tradition. And the Japanese are a very traditional people. - Emhilradim 18:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
The critism section of this article is totally flawed, unsourced and full of POV. I say we completely remove it and re-write it from the ground up, from reliable sources. Thoughts? Comments? -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 22:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Anyone who wants to get started, hack away. ~ Hibana 00:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I think the criticism section is fine the way it is. Regardless of my opinion, someone needs to get the criticism section up because the "hate" (negative views) of Final Fantasy is a huge part of the Final Fantasy community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.13.132.168 ( talk • contribs) 19:18, 2 May 2006
-- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 19:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand why criticism needs to be cited by a "reliable source," when a clearly POV claim such as saying the FF franchise is notable for "complex character development" (to whom, a fourteen year old?) does not need citation. Jeodonnell 04:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a dispute about the following line:
A couple of people who are unable to visualize this are changing "toroidal" to "spherical." Please stop; you're incorrect. If you fly to the north pole and then keep flying, you do not pop up at the south pole. Think hard about this. A map that wraps both horizontally and vertically is a map of a toroid, or donut-shape. Look at this map of Earth: [ [3]] If you fly north off the top of the map, you don't pop to the bottom. TomTheHand 01:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
So, a sphere works... if we assume lots of extra stuff that there is no in-game evidence for? Isn't that just a roundabout way of saying it doesn't work? I do agree (as I've already said here) that it doesn't belong in the article, though for reasons Tom has already articulated in the posting below this, I think you've arrived at that conclusion for the wrong reason. I see it this way:
PurplePlatypus 19:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that a minority of the external links provided are not particularly helpful to people who wish to find out a range of different Final Fantasy sources. Why not include some of the better fansites (e.g. spirasdestiny.net, ffnet.org, and square-online.info) rather than an archaic Final Fantasy Wiki, particularly when this is a Wiki in the first place? Having two seems redundant, and the FFWiki is rarely used. Linking to it seems bizarre. ( 81.174.137.126 17:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC))
http://www.ffwiki.net/ is a more consistantly updated Wiki, just as a matter of information.-- 69.42.17.86 07:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
RE this sentence: "Unlike a typical sequel, Final Fantasy II featured entirely different characters, with a setting and story bearing only some thematic similarities to its predecessor."
It's my understanding that this kind of sequel IS typical in Japan. Maybe it wasn't back then? Can someone clarify this point? Bihal 02:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody agree that a game list that sorts out Japanese vs American titles, etc... would be useful? Novati 23:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The Boxs at the bottom of the page could have dividers between the platforms they were realeased on. for instance like:
I II III | IV V VI | VII VIII IX | X | XI | XII | XIII
I've added my final fantasy XIII external link to this page, as there are none/few other external links that link to sites with content directly link to the fabula nova crystallis project.
Joey-
I've added the final fantasy google theme collection to the links.
April-
Shouldn't the Final Fantasy III link in the third paragraph link to the DS version of the game, as that is the version being referred to? I'm gonna change it. Choogle 12:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
"Many entries in the Final Fantasy series involve broadly similar plot points, such as rebellion against a major economic, political, or religious power, a struggle against an evil which threatens to overtake or destroy the world, or nature versus technology. The love between major characters,[21] and in some cases rivalry between characters,[22] as well as the death of major (and sometimes playable) characters, will also drive the plot"
wow. not like these are common themes present in millions of works of fiction, representing archetypes used for thousands of years or anything. oh no. theyre unique to final fantasy. hahahahahaha. vaguest section ever. 209.240.117.44 01:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Aerith/Aeris' name might not refer to the Japanese translation of "Earth." I have found several links between Final Fantasy VII's character and place names, and Norse Mythology, and these findings suggest that her name might be a part of it. Midgar, as we all know is the large, dark city of FF VII. Midgard in Norse mythology is the name for the world in which humans dwell. Another similarity would be Nibelheim/Niflheim. What does all this have to do with Aerith? Well, remember that Aerith is an Ancient: a being of an old race. In Norse Mythology, the Aesir were the chief gods of Asgard. Transpose the R and S in Aesir and you get Aeris. This is only my theory on where Aerith's name might have come from. Thanks to anyone who will give me some response to this. Outlawed Heroine 19:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Just coincidences, Aerith/Aeris is in fact intended to mean Earth and Migard is the name of the 'world' humans live in right? Plus I see no connections between Nibelheim/Niflheim. Nate09 09:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a video with the entire history of Final Fantasy game discussed. Created by squaresoft: [5] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spydercanopus ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
Note: I rewrote my original comment to be more clear about why I think more citations are needed.
Overall this is a very nice article. However, it is almost completely lacking in citations. It only has one actual citation that I could find. Since this is an encyclopedia, we should strive to find proper sources for the content of this article. A great deal of the article draws generalities about the Final Fantasy games, which therefore need secondary sources for verification. Also, adding citations for other facts such as release dates and so forth is good too, even if they're unlikely to be disputed, because it makes the content more verifiable, helps make vandalism easier to spot, and gives the reader sources to find more information. Read the policy citing sources and no original research.
To the person who deleted my tag, look at the notes section. Most of those aren't references. Most of them are just adding more information to the footnoted statement. Furthermore, I'm not sure citing the game itself is a valid. But, setting that aside, using examples from the games to draw generalities about the series without citations would technically count as original research. In any case the article clearly needs more good citations.
I think this article is very well done, but this is one of the aspects of the article that seems to be lacking compared to its overall quality. Thus, I added the tag to encourage contributors to add sources as new content is added, or to find sources for the existing content. If you believe the tag is inappropriate, please state why. Otherwise, I will put the tag back in. Nimrand 14:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, see the Stargate article for an example of a similar kind of article that is well cited. Nimrand 14:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, compare this article's notes section to the notes and references section of The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, a featured article. Nimrand 17:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
As they have appeared in so many games, perhaps an article should be started titled " Crystals (Final Fantasy)", listing the games in which they have appeared and what their role in said games were? Drake Clawfang 23:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I reverted an edit by User:Nimrand that claimed citing an example is original research. I'm not sure of the reasoning.
Under common motifs and themes is a comment that some final bosses that aren't known until the end of the game. In many of the FF games, after you beat who you thought was the final boss, they make some reference to their master, and you end up fighting some previously unknown entity. A footnote was attached to this statement citing two examples. This footnote is what was removed, and replaced by a {{fact}} tag.
The comment from the edit was that citing examples of generalizations was original research, and that secondary sources are needed. Any thoughts on this? It seems to me that the footnote are as valid as any others in that section. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 23:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Think it should be mentioned somewhere how FF covers are almost so radically different between the two countries? Japan goes for a simple, artistic logo thing and America always has to have some kind of CG art of the characters. Packaging for other Euro countries tends to vary between the two, but usually goes for the Japan look. It seems to really reflect on American values (less art, more action!) and is pretty clear example of localization practices. It would be interesting if Square happened to have made a statement on this fact too.-- SeizureDog 10:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need such all the new information that has been added about Cid in the common themes section? Several new sentences have been added in the last few weeks, some of them discussing his appearances in specific games of the series. Because this is already a long article and we already have a whole article devoted to Cid, we may want to trim down the paragraph on Cid in this article. Nimrand 06:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little thrown by the statement that "Although he [Cid] is rarely the same individual...". Has Cid EVER been the same individual from one FF game to the next (not counting X-2 of course)? Its clear from the author's original wording (which was something like, although Cid is rarely the same invididual and never the same age) that the author clearly meant to imply there were exceptions. But, I'm not sure what exception the author meant to refer to. And, it seems to contradict what is stated in List of Final Fantasy characters. Nimrand 17:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I just came here to ask opinions if this link is worthy of being hosting on the Final Fantasy page, it's about the history from the first, to the current, providing screenshots and a lot of information:
I thought it would be best to ask the community rather than just add it without a word.
Thanks for taking the time to look! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snesclassics ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Thanks Nimrand :)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.38.169.97 ( talk • contribs) 00:13, 17 January 2007.
have you noted in the srticle that some charecters in FF apear in the Kingdom Hearts game series? Just wondering if you have. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.189.251 ( talk) 10:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
well, I was only asking, dont bite my head off!!(I know they appear in those games aswell!) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.156.224.238 ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 30 January 2007.
Is there any way to either hide or take away the quote in footnote #27? I appreciate that whoever wrote the piece was able to give full attribution, but it just seems a little more than necessary. Seems like the citation of the actual publication and page numbers should be enough. Quietchild 04:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else believe that the use of footnotes in this article is downright excessive? Afterall, if the reader just ignores the footnotes, then they serve no purpose. But, if the reader does follow them, more than half the time the information linked to doesn't seem all that important, and the reader has no way of knowing what the footnote is until he or she follows it. To clean this up, is there some kind of criteria we can agree upon to determine which footnotes should stay, which ones should be brought inline, and which ones should be deleted entirely? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nimrand ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
Since there is a comment not to add additional external links to the article itself, I am adding this to the discussion page, as requested. I thought that links to reviews of various Final Fantasy games might be an appropriate addition for this article.
GameVortex's Final Fantasy Content - News, Reviews, etc. Updated Automatically. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dageck0 ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC).
Most video game series articles contain "series" in the title, like The Legend of Zelda series or Resident Evil (series) and use the individual title for the initial game ( The Legend of Zelda, Resident Evil). Shouldn't this follow the same pattern? Rhindle The Red 02:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Two obvious points:
1) Combat occurs far too often to the point that it is simply irritating (Citation not needed, trust me on this one), as well as monsters are not visible, fights seem to occur randomly outside of safe locations eg: Towns or when air bourn.
2) Gameplay (At least on the earlier games) is extremely linier especially when compared to games such as the Might & Magic Series ( Might_&_Magic). The games feel as if they 'run on rails' and there is very little, if any free exploration or decisions on order of missions/quests.
30/09/2006 02:40 GMT (Anon)
(Drewbacca123 here. I'd just like to say that the above cannot really approve of Final Fantasy, as any fan knows the fights are the main part of the game, and without them you cannot proceed in the game. Also, there are dozens of sub-quests and minigames to complete, i.e. the chocobo treasures/Ozma battle in FF9) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drewbacca123 ( talk • contribs) 17:10, 24 February 2007. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 21:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I have started a reorganization of the Criticism section. I think this approach will help us present criticisms in a way that non-FF fans can better understand. I started the first few sections. The original text I left under General Comments If others like the way I started, my plan is to fold the original comments into various sections, similar to what I have done so far.
I would encourage people to take a minimalist approach to criticism. There is no need (IMHO) to document all the variations that exist, but rather talk about trends, with possibly a few examples. The more "in this title, this happened, but in that title, that happened" there is in an article, the harder it is to follow. I believe the goal should be to help the reader understand the major criticisms about the series, and possibly the reasons behind those views.
What do the rest of you think? wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 03:51, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.5.43.112 ( talk • contribs)
It looks to me like a lot of the criticism section has largely been rewritten by 81.96.205.76. This would seem to be the cause for even more tags indicating how messy the criticism section is. Is there agreement that perhaps these changed should be reverted? Logalot 01:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC) (Forgot to log in)
On the official Square Sites, it says Final Fantasy in capitals, why? -- FlareNUKE 04:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
So maybe the names should be in Capitals then? -- FlareNUKE 11:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
There wasn't an entry on the requested moves page for this, so I added an entry that said to discuss the rename here. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 13:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
It is Wikipedia convention (i.e. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)) to use normal capitalization rules regardless of whether or not the trademark holder might prefer all-caps. As such this should stay "Final Fantasy". Dragons flight 14:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Not moved. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 08:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
It's also because the game is of Japanese origin, and I generally find that when an English word is used in Japanese, it's always in full capitals... AVALANCHE from Final Fantasy VII, for instance, doesn't stand for anything, but it's name is in full capitals, like an acronym. That's just my thoughts though. -- Sleeping Evil 14:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
As a note, Final Fantasy is not trademarked as all capitals, but it's a constant. The tradition began with the first game. All dialogue was in capitals, including the box art, and the intro screen. It's not so much a neccessity as it is tradition. And the Japanese are a very traditional people. - Emhilradim 18:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
The critism section of this article is totally flawed, unsourced and full of POV. I say we completely remove it and re-write it from the ground up, from reliable sources. Thoughts? Comments? -- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 22:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Anyone who wants to get started, hack away. ~ Hibana 00:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I think the criticism section is fine the way it is. Regardless of my opinion, someone needs to get the criticism section up because the "hate" (negative views) of Final Fantasy is a huge part of the Final Fantasy community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.13.132.168 ( talk • contribs) 19:18, 2 May 2006
-- JiFish( Talk/ Contrib) 19:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand why criticism needs to be cited by a "reliable source," when a clearly POV claim such as saying the FF franchise is notable for "complex character development" (to whom, a fourteen year old?) does not need citation. Jeodonnell 04:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
There's a dispute about the following line:
A couple of people who are unable to visualize this are changing "toroidal" to "spherical." Please stop; you're incorrect. If you fly to the north pole and then keep flying, you do not pop up at the south pole. Think hard about this. A map that wraps both horizontally and vertically is a map of a toroid, or donut-shape. Look at this map of Earth: [ [3]] If you fly north off the top of the map, you don't pop to the bottom. TomTheHand 01:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
So, a sphere works... if we assume lots of extra stuff that there is no in-game evidence for? Isn't that just a roundabout way of saying it doesn't work? I do agree (as I've already said here) that it doesn't belong in the article, though for reasons Tom has already articulated in the posting below this, I think you've arrived at that conclusion for the wrong reason. I see it this way:
PurplePlatypus 19:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that a minority of the external links provided are not particularly helpful to people who wish to find out a range of different Final Fantasy sources. Why not include some of the better fansites (e.g. spirasdestiny.net, ffnet.org, and square-online.info) rather than an archaic Final Fantasy Wiki, particularly when this is a Wiki in the first place? Having two seems redundant, and the FFWiki is rarely used. Linking to it seems bizarre. ( 81.174.137.126 17:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC))
http://www.ffwiki.net/ is a more consistantly updated Wiki, just as a matter of information.-- 69.42.17.86 07:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
RE this sentence: "Unlike a typical sequel, Final Fantasy II featured entirely different characters, with a setting and story bearing only some thematic similarities to its predecessor."
It's my understanding that this kind of sequel IS typical in Japan. Maybe it wasn't back then? Can someone clarify this point? Bihal 02:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody agree that a game list that sorts out Japanese vs American titles, etc... would be useful? Novati 23:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The Boxs at the bottom of the page could have dividers between the platforms they were realeased on. for instance like:
I II III | IV V VI | VII VIII IX | X | XI | XII | XIII
I've added my final fantasy XIII external link to this page, as there are none/few other external links that link to sites with content directly link to the fabula nova crystallis project.
Joey-
I've added the final fantasy google theme collection to the links.
April-
Shouldn't the Final Fantasy III link in the third paragraph link to the DS version of the game, as that is the version being referred to? I'm gonna change it. Choogle 12:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
"Many entries in the Final Fantasy series involve broadly similar plot points, such as rebellion against a major economic, political, or religious power, a struggle against an evil which threatens to overtake or destroy the world, or nature versus technology. The love between major characters,[21] and in some cases rivalry between characters,[22] as well as the death of major (and sometimes playable) characters, will also drive the plot"
wow. not like these are common themes present in millions of works of fiction, representing archetypes used for thousands of years or anything. oh no. theyre unique to final fantasy. hahahahahaha. vaguest section ever. 209.240.117.44 01:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Aerith/Aeris' name might not refer to the Japanese translation of "Earth." I have found several links between Final Fantasy VII's character and place names, and Norse Mythology, and these findings suggest that her name might be a part of it. Midgar, as we all know is the large, dark city of FF VII. Midgard in Norse mythology is the name for the world in which humans dwell. Another similarity would be Nibelheim/Niflheim. What does all this have to do with Aerith? Well, remember that Aerith is an Ancient: a being of an old race. In Norse Mythology, the Aesir were the chief gods of Asgard. Transpose the R and S in Aesir and you get Aeris. This is only my theory on where Aerith's name might have come from. Thanks to anyone who will give me some response to this. Outlawed Heroine 19:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Just coincidences, Aerith/Aeris is in fact intended to mean Earth and Migard is the name of the 'world' humans live in right? Plus I see no connections between Nibelheim/Niflheim. Nate09 09:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a video with the entire history of Final Fantasy game discussed. Created by squaresoft: [5] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spydercanopus ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
Note: I rewrote my original comment to be more clear about why I think more citations are needed.
Overall this is a very nice article. However, it is almost completely lacking in citations. It only has one actual citation that I could find. Since this is an encyclopedia, we should strive to find proper sources for the content of this article. A great deal of the article draws generalities about the Final Fantasy games, which therefore need secondary sources for verification. Also, adding citations for other facts such as release dates and so forth is good too, even if they're unlikely to be disputed, because it makes the content more verifiable, helps make vandalism easier to spot, and gives the reader sources to find more information. Read the policy citing sources and no original research.
To the person who deleted my tag, look at the notes section. Most of those aren't references. Most of them are just adding more information to the footnoted statement. Furthermore, I'm not sure citing the game itself is a valid. But, setting that aside, using examples from the games to draw generalities about the series without citations would technically count as original research. In any case the article clearly needs more good citations.
I think this article is very well done, but this is one of the aspects of the article that seems to be lacking compared to its overall quality. Thus, I added the tag to encourage contributors to add sources as new content is added, or to find sources for the existing content. If you believe the tag is inappropriate, please state why. Otherwise, I will put the tag back in. Nimrand 14:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, see the Stargate article for an example of a similar kind of article that is well cited. Nimrand 14:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, compare this article's notes section to the notes and references section of The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, a featured article. Nimrand 17:32, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
As they have appeared in so many games, perhaps an article should be started titled " Crystals (Final Fantasy)", listing the games in which they have appeared and what their role in said games were? Drake Clawfang 23:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I reverted an edit by User:Nimrand that claimed citing an example is original research. I'm not sure of the reasoning.
Under common motifs and themes is a comment that some final bosses that aren't known until the end of the game. In many of the FF games, after you beat who you thought was the final boss, they make some reference to their master, and you end up fighting some previously unknown entity. A footnote was attached to this statement citing two examples. This footnote is what was removed, and replaced by a {{fact}} tag.
The comment from the edit was that citing examples of generalizations was original research, and that secondary sources are needed. Any thoughts on this? It seems to me that the footnote are as valid as any others in that section. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 23:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Think it should be mentioned somewhere how FF covers are almost so radically different between the two countries? Japan goes for a simple, artistic logo thing and America always has to have some kind of CG art of the characters. Packaging for other Euro countries tends to vary between the two, but usually goes for the Japan look. It seems to really reflect on American values (less art, more action!) and is pretty clear example of localization practices. It would be interesting if Square happened to have made a statement on this fact too.-- SeizureDog 10:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need such all the new information that has been added about Cid in the common themes section? Several new sentences have been added in the last few weeks, some of them discussing his appearances in specific games of the series. Because this is already a long article and we already have a whole article devoted to Cid, we may want to trim down the paragraph on Cid in this article. Nimrand 06:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm a little thrown by the statement that "Although he [Cid] is rarely the same individual...". Has Cid EVER been the same individual from one FF game to the next (not counting X-2 of course)? Its clear from the author's original wording (which was something like, although Cid is rarely the same invididual and never the same age) that the author clearly meant to imply there were exceptions. But, I'm not sure what exception the author meant to refer to. And, it seems to contradict what is stated in List of Final Fantasy characters. Nimrand 17:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I just came here to ask opinions if this link is worthy of being hosting on the Final Fantasy page, it's about the history from the first, to the current, providing screenshots and a lot of information:
I thought it would be best to ask the community rather than just add it without a word.
Thanks for taking the time to look! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Snesclassics ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Thanks Nimrand :)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.38.169.97 ( talk • contribs) 00:13, 17 January 2007.
have you noted in the srticle that some charecters in FF apear in the Kingdom Hearts game series? Just wondering if you have. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.142.189.251 ( talk) 10:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC).
well, I was only asking, dont bite my head off!!(I know they appear in those games aswell!) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.156.224.238 ( talk • contribs) 20:33, 30 January 2007.
Is there any way to either hide or take away the quote in footnote #27? I appreciate that whoever wrote the piece was able to give full attribution, but it just seems a little more than necessary. Seems like the citation of the actual publication and page numbers should be enough. Quietchild 04:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else believe that the use of footnotes in this article is downright excessive? Afterall, if the reader just ignores the footnotes, then they serve no purpose. But, if the reader does follow them, more than half the time the information linked to doesn't seem all that important, and the reader has no way of knowing what the footnote is until he or she follows it. To clean this up, is there some kind of criteria we can agree upon to determine which footnotes should stay, which ones should be brought inline, and which ones should be deleted entirely? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nimrand ( talk • contribs) 14:02, 27 January 2007 (UTC).
Since there is a comment not to add additional external links to the article itself, I am adding this to the discussion page, as requested. I thought that links to reviews of various Final Fantasy games might be an appropriate addition for this article.
GameVortex's Final Fantasy Content - News, Reviews, etc. Updated Automatically. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dageck0 ( talk • contribs) 04:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC).
Most video game series articles contain "series" in the title, like The Legend of Zelda series or Resident Evil (series) and use the individual title for the initial game ( The Legend of Zelda, Resident Evil). Shouldn't this follow the same pattern? Rhindle The Red 02:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)