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It seems odd that this author doesn't mention Claude Lanzmann's Shoah where the quoted testimony comes from. Johannes.klabbers ( talk) 08:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
"After realizing what he was doing to the thousands of Jews each and every day for nearly three years" If he worked as Sonderkommando from April 42 to January 45 (and I thought gassings stopped in October 44) then the incident reported would have taken place right at the end of his time, which would strike me as odd. Also I think he should have realised what he was doing within 3 days rather than 3 years. Correction or confirmation is surely needed. Lockstone ( talk) 13:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)Lockstone
"He witnessed the exterminations and gassings of a million Jews"
What?
as in he physically saw a million Jews die?
where was he watching this from?
how he did keep track?
is there any proof of this besides his own word? and why is it stated as if it's a fact with absolutely no citation links?
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02:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
"So, what then? He walks out naked from the gas chamber, finds his clothes, puts them on, and goes back to his "job", all going on unnoticed by the guards." If you read his book it is explained starting on page 113-114. He was fully clothed when entering and attempted to find a spot where he hoped to go unrecognized by anyone. However, as you know he is found out and told to leave in order to bear witness to the atrocities happening all around him. After being persuaded to leave, he has to force his way out, as more people were being pushed in. Finally, he reaches the entrance only to be beaten by the guards, "You bloody shit. Get in your stupid head: we decided how long you stay alive and when you die, not you. Now piss off to the ovens" (114).
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The Sonderkommandos were routinely murdered after 4 months working in the gas chambers, so that they would not tell anyone else. There were 13 successive groups of them, one replacing the other. How come Muller never got murdered ? He says that there were always 'selections' from the Sonderkommando and he never got selected. This goes against the idea that the whole unit were killed every 4 months. Any ideas ? |
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It seems odd that this author doesn't mention Claude Lanzmann's Shoah where the quoted testimony comes from. Johannes.klabbers ( talk) 08:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
"After realizing what he was doing to the thousands of Jews each and every day for nearly three years" If he worked as Sonderkommando from April 42 to January 45 (and I thought gassings stopped in October 44) then the incident reported would have taken place right at the end of his time, which would strike me as odd. Also I think he should have realised what he was doing within 3 days rather than 3 years. Correction or confirmation is surely needed. Lockstone ( talk) 13:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)Lockstone
"He witnessed the exterminations and gassings of a million Jews"
What?
as in he physically saw a million Jews die?
where was he watching this from?
how he did keep track?
is there any proof of this besides his own word? and why is it stated as if it's a fact with absolutely no citation links?
--
Savakk (
talk)
02:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
"So, what then? He walks out naked from the gas chamber, finds his clothes, puts them on, and goes back to his "job", all going on unnoticed by the guards." If you read his book it is explained starting on page 113-114. He was fully clothed when entering and attempted to find a spot where he hoped to go unrecognized by anyone. However, as you know he is found out and told to leave in order to bear witness to the atrocities happening all around him. After being persuaded to leave, he has to force his way out, as more people were being pushed in. Finally, he reaches the entrance only to be beaten by the guards, "You bloody shit. Get in your stupid head: we decided how long you stay alive and when you die, not you. Now piss off to the ovens" (114).
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The Sonderkommandos were routinely murdered after 4 months working in the gas chambers, so that they would not tell anyone else. There were 13 successive groups of them, one replacing the other. How come Muller never got murdered ? He says that there were always 'selections' from the Sonderkommando and he never got selected. This goes against the idea that the whole unit were killed every 4 months. Any ideas ? |
Last edited at 22:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 15:08, 29 April 2016 (UTC)