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Why is the Miller Columns file manager grouped under the Navigational file manager heading together with the Windows File Manager? Although both are Navigational in nature, they have distinctly different usage and should be explicitly separated. Mac OS X Finder provides both types of interface and they should be clearly differentiated otherwise the Navigational file manager section will become a catch all term. Jpvosloo ( talk) 07:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
The section on "orthodox" file managers is simply over the top. It's also incredibly poorly written. The section should be limited to what distinguishes this type of file manager and refrain from trying to convince people this is the best type.
In no way File managers are a special type of Windows Managers. While some file managers may have rudimentary Windows management capabilities all this spacial metaphor is completly misplaced. There is no such thing.
You must be confused; File Manager from Windows 3.x (winfile.exe) is not accressible from later versions of Windows. progman.exe refers to the Program Manager, which is in all Windows versions from 3.x to XP. -- 216.102.163.218 01:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC).
Mind maps show an information structure in a way, that many people can intuitively overview, memorize and develop the informations and its structure. In fact, mind maps are tree structures as well as the structures that are managed with a file manager. So it could be helpfull to use a file manager, that would show the data structures as a mind map. But I couldn't find a software doing that. Doesn't this exist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChristofArn ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC).
It is actually pretty misleading and technically incorrect to call Orthodox file managers "dual pane manager" as they have three windows with the command line window hidden behind two symmetric panes. And command line windows plays very prominent role in the functionality of this type of managers. Moreover most of them allow using just one pane with the second one hidden. So much for 'dual panes'.
The most distinctive feature is the presence of command line window and direct access to shell via this window not presence of two symmetric panes which is pretty superficial feature.
This is especiually important in Midnight commander and other Unix implementations (integration with bash is used).
Please do not use this incorrect term. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kievite ( talk • contribs) 02:31:34, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
We have not yet chosen the "best" of several bad names for this type of file manager. Am I correct in thinking that we are only debating the name? E.g. is this a useful "family" of file managers & should we have a sub-section in this article and a separate category to index all file managers that are in this style, assuming that WP:NEO concerns could be addressed? If so, can we please agree not to remove the category from the existing articles? We can then fix the name of the category when there is consensus about what nomenclature to use. If I'm missing some reason why we shouldn't keep this sub-category, please let me know. -- Karnesky ( talk) 23:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
REXX was introduced a couple of years after I first used flist. It was used as part of XEDIT, among other things, to replace EXEC2 (which by the way can do most of what REXX does, though less elegantly), and to implement a look-alike for FLIST using XEDIT directly. The performance of that combination was not very good (XEDIT uses a lot of memory relative to the CMS Utilities). Tedickey 17:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
This section is incomprehensible. If someone knows what a spatial file manager is, please clarify. Thank you. -- boarders paradise ( talk) 04:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I am starting this Talk section to keep track of copyedits working against the July 2008 {{ Template:Copyedit}} tag. I just copyedited the lead section. Paulmnguyen ( talk) 23:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Here is a to-do list for copyediting: Paulmnguyen ( talk) 02:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This article requires significant attention from an expert on the nomenclature and taxonomy concerning file managers. Section 1.1 closes with some of the argument from the talk page. This conflict of information prevents an effective copyedit at this time. Paulmnguyen ( talk) 20:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
The page currently says "Later versions gradually abandoned the spatial model" about Windows Explorer. Is that really right? Although it's not the default, enabling the "Open folder in own window" setting makes it work more spatially, so "abandoned" seems overstated.
108.18.197.57 ( talk) 03:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Combining that option you mentioned with disabling auto-sorting really makes it a spatial file manager again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yura87 ( talk • contribs) 10:04, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
This section has far too many problems to list completely here. Most importantly, it has existed for too long without enough citation, and says things like "for over 25 years" without qualification as to exacting dates. This is horrible, and unless anyone seriously objects, I'm going to pair this thing down considerably soon. And at least place some measure of dates within the citation warnings. Tgm1024 ( talk) 14:32, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Konqueror has the option to turn into spatial mode
Can anyone point me to it? There is an option to open new folders in separate windows (and on KDE 4.8.5 it doesn't work, but I'm sure it's fixed on 4.9.* or 4.10.*), but it seems that it's... Well, just opening new windows for new folders, without remembering positions, size, scrolling etc. Like in Nautilus ≥ 3.0. -- 109.187.222.142 ( talk) 14:23, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
What's the main article for
NC clones?
Norton Commander inspired software claims that
Orthodox file manager is the main article.
Orthodox file manager is redirected to
File manager#Orthodox file managers. And that section claims to list only notable examples. Background, on an external web page about the
FAR Manager I followed the link to
Orthodox file manager and fixed a simple wikilink error (IBM XEDIT != X11 XEDIT). After that I stumbled over the notable examples missing SpeedCommander (German shareware). On the page with
NC clones it was listed as red link (stub deleted 7 years ago), I replaced that red link by an Interwiki to
w:de:SpeedCommander. While at it I also added this link here, but actually I think the main article for the list should be
NC clones instead of
Orthodox file manager. The notable examples here should not contain Interwiki links, but get a {{
Main|Norton Commander#Norton Commander inspired software}}
or similar. –
89.204.130.145 (
talk) 23:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
The given source is undated, and does not provide any of the cited metadata (author, publisher, etc). It is (at the moment) only a dump of a help-file, which doesn't provide in itself any useful information for the purpose for which it is used TEDickey ( talk) 09:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The source is from an 1970's file system and is marked by the unique user name identifier SGK, a key for which is provided at http://www.saildart.org/PHONE.LST%5BP,DOC%5D23. Link added for clarification. Skugell ( talk) 12:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Most of the examples given for treemap "file managers" provide only the ability to see a picture - not change the corresponding files. At the moment there's a redlink for KDirStat (which is understandable because it is unlikely to be found notable). The description of Space Gremlin hints at some file manager capability; the others do not hint at this. TEDickey ( talk) 23:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
This article contains way too many opinions. On the whole this reads like some 14-year-old's blog instead of an encyclopaedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 ( talk) 07:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
The article seems to be saying that the main difference between a spatial and a navigational file manager is that in a spatial file manager there is a one to one correspondence between directories and windows, and that the Windows File manager is like that except it can put the same directory in more than one window but has somehow gotten away from it. Windows File Manager still has the option to view directories in a new window, so what does that mean exactly? Hackwrench ( talk) 20:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC) I just looked through the section list and saw almost the exact same question has been asked, but that has been awhile. Hackwrench ( talk) 20:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
The topic asserts that Finder is a navigational file manager (which might be nice to explore if there were reliable sources for the term). However, this topic defines the term to say that there is a pane showing the filesystem tree. Finder does not show that; rather it shows a short list of favorite locations. TEDickey ( talk) 09:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Before 1990 there was a navigational file manager for MS-DOS. It was "PC Shell" in the "PC Tools" suite. /info/en/?search=PC_Tools_(software) It had a tree of directories on the left, and a list of contents on the right (which showed only files, not subdirectories). I found the tree view very useful, and usually preferred it to the 'commander' type (which I used only when I needed to see files from different directories in a single view). 125.168.52.41 ( talk) 12:29, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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Why is the Miller Columns file manager grouped under the Navigational file manager heading together with the Windows File Manager? Although both are Navigational in nature, they have distinctly different usage and should be explicitly separated. Mac OS X Finder provides both types of interface and they should be clearly differentiated otherwise the Navigational file manager section will become a catch all term. Jpvosloo ( talk) 07:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
The section on "orthodox" file managers is simply over the top. It's also incredibly poorly written. The section should be limited to what distinguishes this type of file manager and refrain from trying to convince people this is the best type.
In no way File managers are a special type of Windows Managers. While some file managers may have rudimentary Windows management capabilities all this spacial metaphor is completly misplaced. There is no such thing.
You must be confused; File Manager from Windows 3.x (winfile.exe) is not accressible from later versions of Windows. progman.exe refers to the Program Manager, which is in all Windows versions from 3.x to XP. -- 216.102.163.218 01:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC).
Mind maps show an information structure in a way, that many people can intuitively overview, memorize and develop the informations and its structure. In fact, mind maps are tree structures as well as the structures that are managed with a file manager. So it could be helpfull to use a file manager, that would show the data structures as a mind map. But I couldn't find a software doing that. Doesn't this exist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ChristofArn ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC).
It is actually pretty misleading and technically incorrect to call Orthodox file managers "dual pane manager" as they have three windows with the command line window hidden behind two symmetric panes. And command line windows plays very prominent role in the functionality of this type of managers. Moreover most of them allow using just one pane with the second one hidden. So much for 'dual panes'.
The most distinctive feature is the presence of command line window and direct access to shell via this window not presence of two symmetric panes which is pretty superficial feature.
This is especiually important in Midnight commander and other Unix implementations (integration with bash is used).
Please do not use this incorrect term. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kievite ( talk • contribs) 02:31:34, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
We have not yet chosen the "best" of several bad names for this type of file manager. Am I correct in thinking that we are only debating the name? E.g. is this a useful "family" of file managers & should we have a sub-section in this article and a separate category to index all file managers that are in this style, assuming that WP:NEO concerns could be addressed? If so, can we please agree not to remove the category from the existing articles? We can then fix the name of the category when there is consensus about what nomenclature to use. If I'm missing some reason why we shouldn't keep this sub-category, please let me know. -- Karnesky ( talk) 23:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
REXX was introduced a couple of years after I first used flist. It was used as part of XEDIT, among other things, to replace EXEC2 (which by the way can do most of what REXX does, though less elegantly), and to implement a look-alike for FLIST using XEDIT directly. The performance of that combination was not very good (XEDIT uses a lot of memory relative to the CMS Utilities). Tedickey 17:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
This section is incomprehensible. If someone knows what a spatial file manager is, please clarify. Thank you. -- boarders paradise ( talk) 04:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I am starting this Talk section to keep track of copyedits working against the July 2008 {{ Template:Copyedit}} tag. I just copyedited the lead section. Paulmnguyen ( talk) 23:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Here is a to-do list for copyediting: Paulmnguyen ( talk) 02:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This article requires significant attention from an expert on the nomenclature and taxonomy concerning file managers. Section 1.1 closes with some of the argument from the talk page. This conflict of information prevents an effective copyedit at this time. Paulmnguyen ( talk) 20:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
The page currently says "Later versions gradually abandoned the spatial model" about Windows Explorer. Is that really right? Although it's not the default, enabling the "Open folder in own window" setting makes it work more spatially, so "abandoned" seems overstated.
108.18.197.57 ( talk) 03:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Combining that option you mentioned with disabling auto-sorting really makes it a spatial file manager again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yura87 ( talk • contribs) 10:04, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
This section has far too many problems to list completely here. Most importantly, it has existed for too long without enough citation, and says things like "for over 25 years" without qualification as to exacting dates. This is horrible, and unless anyone seriously objects, I'm going to pair this thing down considerably soon. And at least place some measure of dates within the citation warnings. Tgm1024 ( talk) 14:32, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Konqueror has the option to turn into spatial mode
Can anyone point me to it? There is an option to open new folders in separate windows (and on KDE 4.8.5 it doesn't work, but I'm sure it's fixed on 4.9.* or 4.10.*), but it seems that it's... Well, just opening new windows for new folders, without remembering positions, size, scrolling etc. Like in Nautilus ≥ 3.0. -- 109.187.222.142 ( talk) 14:23, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
What's the main article for
NC clones?
Norton Commander inspired software claims that
Orthodox file manager is the main article.
Orthodox file manager is redirected to
File manager#Orthodox file managers. And that section claims to list only notable examples. Background, on an external web page about the
FAR Manager I followed the link to
Orthodox file manager and fixed a simple wikilink error (IBM XEDIT != X11 XEDIT). After that I stumbled over the notable examples missing SpeedCommander (German shareware). On the page with
NC clones it was listed as red link (stub deleted 7 years ago), I replaced that red link by an Interwiki to
w:de:SpeedCommander. While at it I also added this link here, but actually I think the main article for the list should be
NC clones instead of
Orthodox file manager. The notable examples here should not contain Interwiki links, but get a {{
Main|Norton Commander#Norton Commander inspired software}}
or similar. –
89.204.130.145 (
talk) 23:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
The given source is undated, and does not provide any of the cited metadata (author, publisher, etc). It is (at the moment) only a dump of a help-file, which doesn't provide in itself any useful information for the purpose for which it is used TEDickey ( talk) 09:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The source is from an 1970's file system and is marked by the unique user name identifier SGK, a key for which is provided at http://www.saildart.org/PHONE.LST%5BP,DOC%5D23. Link added for clarification. Skugell ( talk) 12:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Most of the examples given for treemap "file managers" provide only the ability to see a picture - not change the corresponding files. At the moment there's a redlink for KDirStat (which is understandable because it is unlikely to be found notable). The description of Space Gremlin hints at some file manager capability; the others do not hint at this. TEDickey ( talk) 23:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
This article contains way too many opinions. On the whole this reads like some 14-year-old's blog instead of an encyclopaedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 ( talk) 07:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
The article seems to be saying that the main difference between a spatial and a navigational file manager is that in a spatial file manager there is a one to one correspondence between directories and windows, and that the Windows File manager is like that except it can put the same directory in more than one window but has somehow gotten away from it. Windows File Manager still has the option to view directories in a new window, so what does that mean exactly? Hackwrench ( talk) 20:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC) I just looked through the section list and saw almost the exact same question has been asked, but that has been awhile. Hackwrench ( talk) 20:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
The topic asserts that Finder is a navigational file manager (which might be nice to explore if there were reliable sources for the term). However, this topic defines the term to say that there is a pane showing the filesystem tree. Finder does not show that; rather it shows a short list of favorite locations. TEDickey ( talk) 09:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Before 1990 there was a navigational file manager for MS-DOS. It was "PC Shell" in the "PC Tools" suite. /info/en/?search=PC_Tools_(software) It had a tree of directories on the left, and a list of contents on the right (which showed only files, not subdirectories). I found the tree view very useful, and usually preferred it to the 'commander' type (which I used only when I needed to see files from different directories in a single view). 125.168.52.41 ( talk) 12:29, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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