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Many people might think that FTTP is another kind of protocol. Isn't the name confusing in that respect? Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 16:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Fiber To The Home is the main article because when we are talking about fiver optics we usually mean broadband high speed internet to the home or small (home) business. Large businesses have their own telecommunications networks. Usually, other than small start up businesses, there would typically be security, networking and internet networks installed. In this case it would be an issue of fiber optic telecommunication because there would be other systems installed and it's obvious that it would go into a building, premises or vessel of some kind. The "last mile" issue topically refers to residential access. Residential areas have the lowest density and thus the highest cost, which is why they are the last to be converted to fiber. Business and commercial areas have higher density and usually already have fiber. Unless it's a low tech or a small business, there are already all kinds of wires going into it. Fiber to x mainly refers to fiber to the home or residential broadband internet as it is the main hurdle and the biggest issue today.
Fiber to x is a telecommunications issue and split up into different types of configurations of fiber optics. Fiber to the home is a completely different term and not a type of configurations. Fiber to the home typically refers to the mainstream implementation of fiber optics or the main hurdle to be overcome in the progress of the internet aka the last mile. It is not so much of a configuration as a social, or marketing term referring to the mainstream implementation of fiber optics.
Shouldn't FTTP article be renamed to Fiber to the Premises? See Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Prefer_spelled-out_phrases_to_acronyms Tygar 06:37, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
Isn't FTTB synonymous with FTTP? If so, I propose putting it back in the introduction. Riick 21:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Usually FTTB is used for when there is fibre to the basement of the building (or another convenient place) and then there is a copper loop (or the existing one) up to the home of the user. It is usually used for multi-dwelling units. FTTP I understand is a synonymous to FTTH, by which the fiber goes up to the final user house, without any equipment in between. Cgbraschi 14:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems like verizon's FIOS is directly to the home, but SBC's is only to the node. [1]
Do the terms FTTP and FTTH differntiate between the two in those scenarios, or are they truly interchangeable? - Brewthatistrue 5 July 2005 23:19 (UTC)
The above heading was inserted as a place-marker by Riick 08:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
If the meaning of FTTP (I don't usually use that term, and I thought it was synonymous with FTTH) is both FTTB and FTTH, then FTTP should have a separate article. FTTH and FTTB have quite different architectures (FTTB has always active equipment, and has two different stretches with fiber and copper) and most of the article refers to FTTH proper. All three separate architectures discussed: home run fiber, AON and PON apply only to FTTH. Most of the deployments mentioned apply only to FTTH. Cgbraschi 14:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I do believe we need to state the speed capabilities of FTTP in connecting to the internet. People are comparing internet connections by their download/upload speed nowadays, so putting it might be a leap to featured article status...-- 202.156.6.54 17:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
This section of talk was formerly titled "Availability". Riick 19:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not think that the availability section is appropriate in its current form. It has specific information, like a consumer's guide, rather than general information, which is appropriate for an encyclopedia. Besides being unencyclopedic, it is very difficult to keep such content current. For example, the article says that FTTP is available in Ascension Parish, LA and is offered by EATEL and its services include "telephone, broadband Internet, and television (Video on Demand and regular broadcasts)." An encyclopedia article should say something like, "FTTP has limited availability in the United States. Some companies such as Verizon, AT&T, Broadweave Networks and EATEL offer it in a few pilot locations. In addition, some municipal utilities and planned communities are developing FTTP networks." I suggest replacing this section with something similar. -- Kjkolb 10:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
In general, I find the deployment section extremely useful. It's nice to have real examples of the faster FTTP deployments. Many service providers only upgrade their bandwidth, particularly upload speed when faced with a competitor in the local market. Having this article as a reference to faster services allows people to see what is possible and ask for more from their providers. It's also useful for those who negotiate with the companies, city councils, reporters, consumers etc. We need this information to get more than the 6 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up. Why shouldn't we be able to telecommute as fast as being in the office. Why wouldn't you want to broadcast or video conference part of a child's birthday party in high definition (8.5Mbps download / 8.5 Mbps upload) to grandparents in another country who are unable to travel? I looked up this article for the sole purpose of finding actual places where Internet speeds in excess of 6Mbps/1Mbps are available and enough information or links to find and verify pricing information. The section can be improved but keep the verifiable specifics. It's the kind of thing where there is so much ype and marketing that having a service address is actually useful so you can put it in the availabilty engine to verify that the service is actually available and what the pricing is for that level of service! 75.7.7.133 08:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
A few ideas for keeping the "Deployment history" section appropriate for Wikipedia:
Aviable in Norway, via lyse.no & ntebb.no, nte provides Fiber to the premises for parts of nord trøndelag, and plan to provide so for entire nord trøndelag. got one hanging on the wall here :-)
Available in Sweden, through bredbandsbolaget, tele2, and several local isp:s since ~1999, with 100/10 now priced at ~30€. 212.247.37.98 11:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I read that Japan and Korea adopted FTTH as the industry standard (as opposed to DSL) a long time ago. -- 71.124.240.231 02:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Bell Canada is not doing FTTH with its Optimax service. It's FTTN (Fiber to the Neighborhood) and after that, it's ADSL2+
Neither Telstra nor Optus are offering FTTH/FTTP in Australia. Their cable networks are HFC/FTTN. It's fibre (note local/english spelling) to a node then both use coax from the node to the premises. Suggest full rewrite of section given the number of mistakes made.
User:192.76.80.74 keeps adding this:
At the risk of appearing to flog my now-defunct blog, I used to maintain a blog that listed, among other things, links to articles on specific FTTP projects around the world. The blog should not get a link here; see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. I have put a link to it on one of my user subpages; I think that's probably acceptable within the limits of Wikipedia:Vanity guidelines. The blog is out of date but may have some useful resources for editors looking for links to articles. -- A. B. 16:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
It's very worthwhile to list all these projects with some information on each, however as that list grows it will come to dominate this article. I suggest we considering forking this information to an article with a title such as "List of FTTP projects" and linking the two articles together.
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A. B. 15:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
A large amount of the Deployment History section adds little relevance to the subject. Including specifics like who is providing service in which cites in a county is definitely going too far [With the Exception of which city was it deployed in the world first]. I think it should be much more generic, definitely shorter. Possibly "Deployment History of FTTP" could have it's own article if it is wanted to be discussed further. I think here it should be limited three to five paragraphs. Covering what speeds, standards or equipment are in place in what years globally and unique developments affecting deployment. This would also be more likely to be read in it's entirety. WikipedianYknOK 12:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I had the following requests by email:
I am no expert on this topic. Can someone sort this one out? -- Alan Liefting- talk- 05:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Many people might think that FTTP is another kind of protocol. Isn't the name confusing in that respect? Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 16:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Fiber To The Home is the main article because when we are talking about fiver optics we usually mean broadband high speed internet to the home or small (home) business. Large businesses have their own telecommunications networks. Usually, other than small start up businesses, there would typically be security, networking and internet networks installed. In this case it would be an issue of fiber optic telecommunication because there would be other systems installed and it's obvious that it would go into a building, premises or vessel of some kind. The "last mile" issue topically refers to residential access. Residential areas have the lowest density and thus the highest cost, which is why they are the last to be converted to fiber. Business and commercial areas have higher density and usually already have fiber. Unless it's a low tech or a small business, there are already all kinds of wires going into it. Fiber to x mainly refers to fiber to the home or residential broadband internet as it is the main hurdle and the biggest issue today.
Fiber to x is a telecommunications issue and split up into different types of configurations of fiber optics. Fiber to the home is a completely different term and not a type of configurations. Fiber to the home typically refers to the mainstream implementation of fiber optics or the main hurdle to be overcome in the progress of the internet aka the last mile. It is not so much of a configuration as a social, or marketing term referring to the mainstream implementation of fiber optics.
Shouldn't FTTP article be renamed to Fiber to the Premises? See Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Prefer_spelled-out_phrases_to_acronyms Tygar 06:37, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
Isn't FTTB synonymous with FTTP? If so, I propose putting it back in the introduction. Riick 21:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Usually FTTB is used for when there is fibre to the basement of the building (or another convenient place) and then there is a copper loop (or the existing one) up to the home of the user. It is usually used for multi-dwelling units. FTTP I understand is a synonymous to FTTH, by which the fiber goes up to the final user house, without any equipment in between. Cgbraschi 14:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Seems like verizon's FIOS is directly to the home, but SBC's is only to the node. [1]
Do the terms FTTP and FTTH differntiate between the two in those scenarios, or are they truly interchangeable? - Brewthatistrue 5 July 2005 23:19 (UTC)
The above heading was inserted as a place-marker by Riick 08:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
If the meaning of FTTP (I don't usually use that term, and I thought it was synonymous with FTTH) is both FTTB and FTTH, then FTTP should have a separate article. FTTH and FTTB have quite different architectures (FTTB has always active equipment, and has two different stretches with fiber and copper) and most of the article refers to FTTH proper. All three separate architectures discussed: home run fiber, AON and PON apply only to FTTH. Most of the deployments mentioned apply only to FTTH. Cgbraschi 14:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I do believe we need to state the speed capabilities of FTTP in connecting to the internet. People are comparing internet connections by their download/upload speed nowadays, so putting it might be a leap to featured article status...-- 202.156.6.54 17:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
This section of talk was formerly titled "Availability". Riick 19:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not think that the availability section is appropriate in its current form. It has specific information, like a consumer's guide, rather than general information, which is appropriate for an encyclopedia. Besides being unencyclopedic, it is very difficult to keep such content current. For example, the article says that FTTP is available in Ascension Parish, LA and is offered by EATEL and its services include "telephone, broadband Internet, and television (Video on Demand and regular broadcasts)." An encyclopedia article should say something like, "FTTP has limited availability in the United States. Some companies such as Verizon, AT&T, Broadweave Networks and EATEL offer it in a few pilot locations. In addition, some municipal utilities and planned communities are developing FTTP networks." I suggest replacing this section with something similar. -- Kjkolb 10:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
In general, I find the deployment section extremely useful. It's nice to have real examples of the faster FTTP deployments. Many service providers only upgrade their bandwidth, particularly upload speed when faced with a competitor in the local market. Having this article as a reference to faster services allows people to see what is possible and ask for more from their providers. It's also useful for those who negotiate with the companies, city councils, reporters, consumers etc. We need this information to get more than the 6 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up. Why shouldn't we be able to telecommute as fast as being in the office. Why wouldn't you want to broadcast or video conference part of a child's birthday party in high definition (8.5Mbps download / 8.5 Mbps upload) to grandparents in another country who are unable to travel? I looked up this article for the sole purpose of finding actual places where Internet speeds in excess of 6Mbps/1Mbps are available and enough information or links to find and verify pricing information. The section can be improved but keep the verifiable specifics. It's the kind of thing where there is so much ype and marketing that having a service address is actually useful so you can put it in the availabilty engine to verify that the service is actually available and what the pricing is for that level of service! 75.7.7.133 08:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
A few ideas for keeping the "Deployment history" section appropriate for Wikipedia:
Aviable in Norway, via lyse.no & ntebb.no, nte provides Fiber to the premises for parts of nord trøndelag, and plan to provide so for entire nord trøndelag. got one hanging on the wall here :-)
Available in Sweden, through bredbandsbolaget, tele2, and several local isp:s since ~1999, with 100/10 now priced at ~30€. 212.247.37.98 11:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I read that Japan and Korea adopted FTTH as the industry standard (as opposed to DSL) a long time ago. -- 71.124.240.231 02:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Bell Canada is not doing FTTH with its Optimax service. It's FTTN (Fiber to the Neighborhood) and after that, it's ADSL2+
Neither Telstra nor Optus are offering FTTH/FTTP in Australia. Their cable networks are HFC/FTTN. It's fibre (note local/english spelling) to a node then both use coax from the node to the premises. Suggest full rewrite of section given the number of mistakes made.
User:192.76.80.74 keeps adding this:
At the risk of appearing to flog my now-defunct blog, I used to maintain a blog that listed, among other things, links to articles on specific FTTP projects around the world. The blog should not get a link here; see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. I have put a link to it on one of my user subpages; I think that's probably acceptable within the limits of Wikipedia:Vanity guidelines. The blog is out of date but may have some useful resources for editors looking for links to articles. -- A. B. 16:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
It's very worthwhile to list all these projects with some information on each, however as that list grows it will come to dominate this article. I suggest we considering forking this information to an article with a title such as "List of FTTP projects" and linking the two articles together.
--
A. B. 15:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
A large amount of the Deployment History section adds little relevance to the subject. Including specifics like who is providing service in which cites in a county is definitely going too far [With the Exception of which city was it deployed in the world first]. I think it should be much more generic, definitely shorter. Possibly "Deployment History of FTTP" could have it's own article if it is wanted to be discussed further. I think here it should be limited three to five paragraphs. Covering what speeds, standards or equipment are in place in what years globally and unique developments affecting deployment. This would also be more likely to be read in it's entirety. WikipedianYknOK 12:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I had the following requests by email:
I am no expert on this topic. Can someone sort this one out? -- Alan Liefting- talk- 05:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)