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An infobox for the Little Willie John recording of "Fever" was requested at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/List_of_notable_songs/5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by InnocuousPseudonym ( talk • contribs) 20:24 UTC, 17 July 2007
Does anyone know the version used in the Mastercard Fifa Football World Cup ads? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.23.218 ( talk • contribs) 12:02 UTC, 28 June 2006
Was it Martin Short (on SCTV) who, as "Peggy Lee for the Bran Council", sang "Fiber"? — Tamfang 21:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
No merge - Madonna's version is notable enough in it's own right to have an article on - it certain has more references (five) this one has one - labelled as an external link. Would also overbalance this article entirely.-- Alf melmac 12:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Please note : There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs/coverversions with the purpose of trying to establish a standard rule for merge/separate different versions of the same song. Please make known your feelings on the matter. Regards. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 07:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
A new merge proposal has been made between the Little Willie John Fever article and the Madonna Fever article since they are both about the same song.
This article has far too much information on the Madonna version of the song. There have been hundreds of recordings of "Fever," the most historically significant being those of Little Willie John and Peggy Lee. The article should be weighted toward extensive discussion of those versions, and not Madonna's or any of the others. Other versions by major musical figures of the 20th and 21st century, Madonna and Elvis Presley, certainly deserve mention but have no place being either the focus of or the bulk of the information in the article. PJtP ( talk) 16:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly!!! This is one of the rare occasions when I prefer the German wiki entry... 84.60.181.243 ( talk) 02:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
According to the database linked in the external links section, there are 800 recorded versions of this song. What makes the listings (aside from Little Willie John) in this article significant enough to warrant their own section? The bullet list of Madonna's accomplishments with this song can easily be removed, but really shouldn't the whole section be removed? The Beyonce cover MIGHT be worth mentioning because of the minor controversy but what is significant about Amanda Lear's single that it gets a write-up but Peggy Lee and Elvis get buried in the intro? -- Brendanmccabe ( talk) 21:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Completely agree. A totally disproportionate amount of space is given to the Madonna and Beyonce versions, which is misleading. This article reads like it's been edited/vandalised by Madonna and Beyonce's PR departments. It's embarrassing.
Not embarrassing, just sad. What's next, a Justin Beiber version to be celebrated?? I'm 22, but I recognize definitive versions of classic songs. I like a couple Madonna songs, and several more Beyonce songs, but this treatment of a "Fever" article just make Wikipedia look like a free-for-all for ignoramouses. Someone please change this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.177.161 ( talk) 19:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Season 1, episode 5 of The Muppet Show featured a cover of the song with Rita Moreno and Animal. Originally aired October 9, 1976. Definitive. Unforgettable. 24.215.250.197 ( talk) 12:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
The French page mentions the involvement of Joe Tex in the writing, but not the English page. Could somebody confirm his involvement ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.140.72.25 ( talk) 16:42, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
The "controversy" surrounded the advert and had nothing to do with the song. Therefore it belongs in the Beyonce Knowles article, and should only be referenced here with a link.
The Beyonce section's way too long and reads like her PR department's written it.
I see no compelling reason to remove an interesting and relevant image from a distinguished NY stage showing one of the many uses of this song. Especially not on a misunderstanding (quoting the edit summary) that it's a "dance troup" (where did that come from?) rather than well established cabaret performers. A little investigation at Commons should ally any fears of falseness re: their "dancing" (actually performing La Lupe's lyrics also) to this song, which has been in their repertoire for 40 years. I'm reinstating the photo. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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Not next to the lead paragraph. There have been multiple notable versions of this song--Wild Side Story's is not among them. It's not essential, but I would not object to its retention (near the bottom of the article) as an illustration of the diversity of settings in which the song has found a home. I would argue that a vampish pic of Peggy Lee from 1958 or thereafter should be the initial illustration, although I don't see anything in the Commons that fits the bill. Surely her cover is the one that has been part of the public consciousness for fifty years, through its use in innumerable films and television shows, as well as radio play. As Little Willie John premiered the song and had a (lesser) hit with it, a photo of him near the top would also be welcome, although the Commons again comes up short. -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 22:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC) |
Why there is no mention of fact that Peggy Lee has another version with completely different lyrics from both the original and her first version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.72.57 ( talk) 14:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Can anybody supply a reference for this: "Only the first and the fourth verse of the Little Willie John version were used, because Lee thought that the second and the third original verses were too risque for her musical tastes.? I've just done a comparison of the lyrics - the verses left out by Peggy Lee seem comparatively innocuous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattypenny ( talk • contribs) 06:48, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. The current title appears to be correct per WP:SONGDAB. -- BDD ( talk) 18:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Fever (Little Willie John song) → Fever (Eddie Cooley and Otis Blackwell song) – The song is well-known to many people, and well-known artists rendered it, like Madonna. Of course, anybody can vote for Fever (Cooley and Blackwell song) instead. George Ho ( talk) 07:03, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 20:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Fever (Little Willie John song) → Fever (1956 song) – The other proposed title did not receive support because no general reader would be familiar with songwriters' names. I am now proposing a year disambiguator then. While Little Willie John version was the first, the Peggy Lee version was more well-known until the Madonna one (or Beyonce). Either I forget that Lee was not the first, or I did not know that she wasn't the first. And I don't think many people are familiar with Little Willie John today, as much as retro-enthusiasts or R&B-enthusiasts do. George Ho ( talk) 20:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I Am... ***D.D. 15:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
It's clear to me that the punctuation on this page, used to source Blackwell's quote, contains an error. It says: As Otis explained: "Eddie Cooley was a friend of mine from New York and he called me up and said "Man, I got an idea for a song called "Fever", but I can´t finish it. I had to write it under another name because, at that time, I was still under contract to Joe Davis.". But, this page on the same site makes it clear that it was Blackwell - not Cooley - who was contracted to publisher Joe Davis, and so had to conceal his identity by using the pseudonym John Davenport - Cooley's name appeared unaltered as the co-writer. I've tweaked the punctuation in the quote accordingly, to place the end of the Cooley quote after the words "...finish it". I hope this is uncontentious. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 19:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Calling the release the "promotional material" looks misleading. It was released as a digital download commercially. Shall "infobox song" or "infobox single" be used? If the former, how do we call it? If the latter... hmm? -- George Ho ( talk) 07:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
It's been months. Shall I change the Beyoncé infobox from "song" to "single"? I downloaded the iTunes player, went to the store, and found that the song is sold as a single. I must pay for the song. Same when I go to Amazon Music. George Ho ( talk) 08:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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There was no such thing as Billboard Hot 100 in 1956, that didn't start until 1958. The single reached #1 in R&B for 5 weeks, #24 in Best Sellers, and #28 in Top 100. Top 100 chart on the week it peaked is http://www.umdmusic.com/default.asp?Lang=English&Chart=D&ChDate=19560718&ChMode=N — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.137.114 ( talk) 12:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
the recent chopping of the list of other covers because it somewhat deletes the fact as how significant the song is in popular culture. I agree that some, many, of the versions included could go but this looks like overkill to me. However I have given up arguing about this these sorts of things, being content to just carp about them. Carptrash ( talk) 17:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
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An infobox for the Little Willie John recording of "Fever" was requested at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/List_of_notable_songs/5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by InnocuousPseudonym ( talk • contribs) 20:24 UTC, 17 July 2007
Does anyone know the version used in the Mastercard Fifa Football World Cup ads? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.23.218 ( talk • contribs) 12:02 UTC, 28 June 2006
Was it Martin Short (on SCTV) who, as "Peggy Lee for the Bran Council", sang "Fiber"? — Tamfang 21:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
No merge - Madonna's version is notable enough in it's own right to have an article on - it certain has more references (five) this one has one - labelled as an external link. Would also overbalance this article entirely.-- Alf melmac 12:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Please note : There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs/coverversions with the purpose of trying to establish a standard rule for merge/separate different versions of the same song. Please make known your feelings on the matter. Regards. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 07:42, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
A new merge proposal has been made between the Little Willie John Fever article and the Madonna Fever article since they are both about the same song.
This article has far too much information on the Madonna version of the song. There have been hundreds of recordings of "Fever," the most historically significant being those of Little Willie John and Peggy Lee. The article should be weighted toward extensive discussion of those versions, and not Madonna's or any of the others. Other versions by major musical figures of the 20th and 21st century, Madonna and Elvis Presley, certainly deserve mention but have no place being either the focus of or the bulk of the information in the article. PJtP ( talk) 16:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly!!! This is one of the rare occasions when I prefer the German wiki entry... 84.60.181.243 ( talk) 02:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
According to the database linked in the external links section, there are 800 recorded versions of this song. What makes the listings (aside from Little Willie John) in this article significant enough to warrant their own section? The bullet list of Madonna's accomplishments with this song can easily be removed, but really shouldn't the whole section be removed? The Beyonce cover MIGHT be worth mentioning because of the minor controversy but what is significant about Amanda Lear's single that it gets a write-up but Peggy Lee and Elvis get buried in the intro? -- Brendanmccabe ( talk) 21:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Completely agree. A totally disproportionate amount of space is given to the Madonna and Beyonce versions, which is misleading. This article reads like it's been edited/vandalised by Madonna and Beyonce's PR departments. It's embarrassing.
Not embarrassing, just sad. What's next, a Justin Beiber version to be celebrated?? I'm 22, but I recognize definitive versions of classic songs. I like a couple Madonna songs, and several more Beyonce songs, but this treatment of a "Fever" article just make Wikipedia look like a free-for-all for ignoramouses. Someone please change this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.177.161 ( talk) 19:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Season 1, episode 5 of The Muppet Show featured a cover of the song with Rita Moreno and Animal. Originally aired October 9, 1976. Definitive. Unforgettable. 24.215.250.197 ( talk) 12:53, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
The French page mentions the involvement of Joe Tex in the writing, but not the English page. Could somebody confirm his involvement ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.140.72.25 ( talk) 16:42, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
The "controversy" surrounded the advert and had nothing to do with the song. Therefore it belongs in the Beyonce Knowles article, and should only be referenced here with a link.
The Beyonce section's way too long and reads like her PR department's written it.
I see no compelling reason to remove an interesting and relevant image from a distinguished NY stage showing one of the many uses of this song. Especially not on a misunderstanding (quoting the edit summary) that it's a "dance troup" (where did that come from?) rather than well established cabaret performers. A little investigation at Commons should ally any fears of falseness re: their "dancing" (actually performing La Lupe's lyrics also) to this song, which has been in their repertoire for 40 years. I'm reinstating the photo. SergeWoodzing ( talk) 16:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Not next to the lead paragraph. There have been multiple notable versions of this song--Wild Side Story's is not among them. It's not essential, but I would not object to its retention (near the bottom of the article) as an illustration of the diversity of settings in which the song has found a home. I would argue that a vampish pic of Peggy Lee from 1958 or thereafter should be the initial illustration, although I don't see anything in the Commons that fits the bill. Surely her cover is the one that has been part of the public consciousness for fifty years, through its use in innumerable films and television shows, as well as radio play. As Little Willie John premiered the song and had a (lesser) hit with it, a photo of him near the top would also be welcome, although the Commons again comes up short. -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 22:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC) |
Why there is no mention of fact that Peggy Lee has another version with completely different lyrics from both the original and her first version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.72.57 ( talk) 14:39, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Can anybody supply a reference for this: "Only the first and the fourth verse of the Little Willie John version were used, because Lee thought that the second and the third original verses were too risque for her musical tastes.? I've just done a comparison of the lyrics - the verses left out by Peggy Lee seem comparatively innocuous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattypenny ( talk • contribs) 06:48, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. The current title appears to be correct per WP:SONGDAB. -- BDD ( talk) 18:50, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Fever (Little Willie John song) → Fever (Eddie Cooley and Otis Blackwell song) – The song is well-known to many people, and well-known artists rendered it, like Madonna. Of course, anybody can vote for Fever (Cooley and Blackwell song) instead. George Ho ( talk) 07:03, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 20:55, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Fever (Little Willie John song) → Fever (1956 song) – The other proposed title did not receive support because no general reader would be familiar with songwriters' names. I am now proposing a year disambiguator then. While Little Willie John version was the first, the Peggy Lee version was more well-known until the Madonna one (or Beyonce). Either I forget that Lee was not the first, or I did not know that she wasn't the first. And I don't think many people are familiar with Little Willie John today, as much as retro-enthusiasts or R&B-enthusiasts do. George Ho ( talk) 20:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I Am... ***D.D. 15:11, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
It's clear to me that the punctuation on this page, used to source Blackwell's quote, contains an error. It says: As Otis explained: "Eddie Cooley was a friend of mine from New York and he called me up and said "Man, I got an idea for a song called "Fever", but I can´t finish it. I had to write it under another name because, at that time, I was still under contract to Joe Davis.". But, this page on the same site makes it clear that it was Blackwell - not Cooley - who was contracted to publisher Joe Davis, and so had to conceal his identity by using the pseudonym John Davenport - Cooley's name appeared unaltered as the co-writer. I've tweaked the punctuation in the quote accordingly, to place the end of the Cooley quote after the words "...finish it". I hope this is uncontentious. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 19:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Calling the release the "promotional material" looks misleading. It was released as a digital download commercially. Shall "infobox song" or "infobox single" be used? If the former, how do we call it? If the latter... hmm? -- George Ho ( talk) 07:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
It's been months. Shall I change the Beyoncé infobox from "song" to "single"? I downloaded the iTunes player, went to the store, and found that the song is sold as a single. I must pay for the song. Same when I go to Amazon Music. George Ho ( talk) 08:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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There was no such thing as Billboard Hot 100 in 1956, that didn't start until 1958. The single reached #1 in R&B for 5 weeks, #24 in Best Sellers, and #28 in Top 100. Top 100 chart on the week it peaked is http://www.umdmusic.com/default.asp?Lang=English&Chart=D&ChDate=19560718&ChMode=N — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.137.114 ( talk) 12:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
the recent chopping of the list of other covers because it somewhat deletes the fact as how significant the song is in popular culture. I agree that some, many, of the versions included could go but this looks like overkill to me. However I have given up arguing about this these sorts of things, being content to just carp about them. Carptrash ( talk) 17:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)