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I was wondering this before you demerged the article from Barnstaple. Did it get split up into smaller and smaller pieces, or was it abolished, or what? —
SMALLJIM11:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Don't know. Sanders's descents end in 1327, a date he deems as marking the end of the true feudal age. I've certainly been wondering that myself. Perhaps you might like to look into it? (
Lobsterthermidor (
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17:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC))reply
Using two TDA articles, I've brought it down to 1509 (death of Margaret). A related question: is a feudal barony the same as an
Honour (feudal barony)? Barnstaple is listed in that article and if they are the same thing, I wonder if this article should be renamed
Honour of Barnstaple? What do you think? —
SMALLJIM16:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)reply
I think we can take it that if Sanders deems it "probable" there is very little doubt indeed. He discusses his criteria for inclusion in his intro. There are many more he excluded, but Barnstaple is a big player in this field & although size is not a criterion of itself, he states that de Tracy answered for 56 knight's fees (i.e. sub-manors he held) in 1235. In fact reading Sanders's footnotes for Barnstaple he actually quotes: "Geoffrey de Camville held Maud's lands by service of a barony...", he seems to have been scrupulously over-cautious in not deeming it a certain barony, but any records of payments of feudal relief, the clinching factor he set himself, have not apparently survived. (
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I was wondering this before you demerged the article from Barnstaple. Did it get split up into smaller and smaller pieces, or was it abolished, or what? —
SMALLJIM11:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)reply
Don't know. Sanders's descents end in 1327, a date he deems as marking the end of the true feudal age. I've certainly been wondering that myself. Perhaps you might like to look into it? (
Lobsterthermidor (
talk)
17:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC))reply
Using two TDA articles, I've brought it down to 1509 (death of Margaret). A related question: is a feudal barony the same as an
Honour (feudal barony)? Barnstaple is listed in that article and if they are the same thing, I wonder if this article should be renamed
Honour of Barnstaple? What do you think? —
SMALLJIM16:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)reply
I think we can take it that if Sanders deems it "probable" there is very little doubt indeed. He discusses his criteria for inclusion in his intro. There are many more he excluded, but Barnstaple is a big player in this field & although size is not a criterion of itself, he states that de Tracy answered for 56 knight's fees (i.e. sub-manors he held) in 1235. In fact reading Sanders's footnotes for Barnstaple he actually quotes: "Geoffrey de Camville held Maud's lands by service of a barony...", he seems to have been scrupulously over-cautious in not deeming it a certain barony, but any records of payments of feudal relief, the clinching factor he set himself, have not apparently survived. (
Lobsterthermidor (
talk)
17:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC))reply