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Well yes, I had already provided some references in the first days of writing the article, and yet more are sought so swiftly (and indeed two more have now been provided) and I (the only editor involved) am accused of POV which I would dispute whilst being quite amiable to varying the details of the article.
Is it a POV to state the obvious that the GPO/Post Office/Royal Mail absolute monopoly of the UK letter post service, which has finally ended within this last year, was, as has been stated many times, a revenue protection exercise? Then how can common knowledge be a POV?
Were I to say that the UK as a whole will be the loser, indeed has already become the loser, as a result of the abolition of that post office monopoly, that would be a point of view - yet one which I actually believe to be true!
A citation is sought for the statement "The Ffestiniog Railway Letter Service is an officially authorised facility for posting letters, and also delivering letters to intended recipients, without the use of the United Kingdom G.P.O. Royal Mail Service." The article itself effectively describes how this is so. Firstly the official nature comes from the 1891 and 1974 agreements. Secondly, when a railway letter is handed in (posted) at a station and later handed (delivered) to the intended recipient at the the destination station, the entire process from beginning to end takes place without GPO involvement and at no cost to the post office. The price of this avoidance of the GPO monopoly was the affixing of the appropriate first class letter postage stamp on the letter in question. The stamp itself is not a post office service only evidence of prepayment for such service. To argue that the railway company by acting as the (unpaid) agent of the GPO in cancelling the postage stamp (as it is required to do) was 'a use of post office facilities' would surely be special pleading! NoelWalley 20:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Per Keith's pointing it out on commons, it was Festiniog Railway Letter Service at the time, not Ff. Anyone feel like moving this article? - mattbuck ( Talk) 12:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes I have done - at last! -- Keith 21:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I nominated commons:File:FRL-4H.jpg for deletion, though it was not being used, and I was informed that there are other similar images which should also be deleted because the GB stamp on the covers is covered by crown copyright for 50-years. You should likely move at least one image back to this wiki and make a fair-use claim with a completed fair-use rationale which would be acceptable of complying with all 10 non-free content criteria unless you can find a cover used before 1960 which would likely be freely licence depending on the rest of the cover. ww2censor ( talk) 20:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
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Well yes, I had already provided some references in the first days of writing the article, and yet more are sought so swiftly (and indeed two more have now been provided) and I (the only editor involved) am accused of POV which I would dispute whilst being quite amiable to varying the details of the article.
Is it a POV to state the obvious that the GPO/Post Office/Royal Mail absolute monopoly of the UK letter post service, which has finally ended within this last year, was, as has been stated many times, a revenue protection exercise? Then how can common knowledge be a POV?
Were I to say that the UK as a whole will be the loser, indeed has already become the loser, as a result of the abolition of that post office monopoly, that would be a point of view - yet one which I actually believe to be true!
A citation is sought for the statement "The Ffestiniog Railway Letter Service is an officially authorised facility for posting letters, and also delivering letters to intended recipients, without the use of the United Kingdom G.P.O. Royal Mail Service." The article itself effectively describes how this is so. Firstly the official nature comes from the 1891 and 1974 agreements. Secondly, when a railway letter is handed in (posted) at a station and later handed (delivered) to the intended recipient at the the destination station, the entire process from beginning to end takes place without GPO involvement and at no cost to the post office. The price of this avoidance of the GPO monopoly was the affixing of the appropriate first class letter postage stamp on the letter in question. The stamp itself is not a post office service only evidence of prepayment for such service. To argue that the railway company by acting as the (unpaid) agent of the GPO in cancelling the postage stamp (as it is required to do) was 'a use of post office facilities' would surely be special pleading! NoelWalley 20:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Per Keith's pointing it out on commons, it was Festiniog Railway Letter Service at the time, not Ff. Anyone feel like moving this article? - mattbuck ( Talk) 12:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes I have done - at last! -- Keith 21:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I nominated commons:File:FRL-4H.jpg for deletion, though it was not being used, and I was informed that there are other similar images which should also be deleted because the GB stamp on the covers is covered by crown copyright for 50-years. You should likely move at least one image back to this wiki and make a fair-use claim with a completed fair-use rationale which would be acceptable of complying with all 10 non-free content criteria unless you can find a cover used before 1960 which would likely be freely licence depending on the rest of the cover. ww2censor ( talk) 20:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)