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This is various stuff from the merge and I don't know how much is really needed. I feel that all of this can be found in other articles.
Properties of ferrous metals:
* may be pure iron or they may be alloys of iron and other elements. * it is common that they be highly magnetic, although not all of them are. (Austenitic stainless steel, a ferrous metal, is non-magnetic, while cobalt is magnetic but non-ferrous.)
==Ferrous metals== Common ferrous metals include the various irons and steels. Common non-ferrous metals include aluminum, copper, lead, tin, zinc.
==Other uses==For example, referring to "ferrous metallurgy" includes the production of metallic iron, including wrought iron, cast iron, steel, or other alloying elements.
-- Wizard191 ( talk) 18:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, the article may say the uses are mostly deprecated, but... what WERE the uses? I saw this matierial in a minecraft mod, so i'm interested in what it is used for. 209.240.127.38 ( talk) 15:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Why does the See Also section include Ferris wheel? That article says that the Ferris wheel was named after a guy whose last name was Ferris - nothing to do with Iron. -- Sbreheny ( talk) 00:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I may not be the first to propose this, but IMO, the articles that currently have the Latin names of ions (e.g. this one) should be moved to their newer element+Roman numeral equivalents (e.g. "Iron(II)"), with the Latin names becoming the redirects instead. I have two major reasons for this:
Could moves of such pages be considered? 134.153.39.171 ( talk) 13:42, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Having edited it some, now I think that it should be a disamb page, like this:
-- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 03:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
See the section "Reform it into an iron(II) article" below. -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 21:13, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Dropping a stone down the well here. In the now non-standard (though still widely used among practical chemists) English-language chemical nomenclature, 'ferrous' means iron(II) and 'ferric' iron(III). That is, the name of the cation is modified to reflect the valence state of iron in the compound. In (what may be) the obsolete German-language nomenclature, the name of the anion is modified to reflect the valence state of iron. Ferrous chloride = Eisenchlorür; Ferric chloride = Eisenchlorid. That makes perfect sense, it's just another way of looking at it.
We must avoid forcing modern terminology onto the old literature and customary practice. I recall a summer student who needed some ethanoic acid, but was unable to find a bottle of it anywhere in the lab. He didn't know the common name. Everything we do must be designed to help readers, not to enforce standards.
In conclusion: I quite like ferrous in its current state. It distinguishes clearly between the chemists' and the metallurgists' meanings, and points a reader who may have come across the word in helpful directions. Narky Blert ( talk) 22:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Instead of turning this page into a disamb, as proposed above (or in addition to that), one could create an iron(II) article with all the chemical information about the iron(II) cation and complexes of it. The ferric article already tries to do that for iron(III), and should then be renamed iron(III). Note that there are already many articles about anions, like sulfate and oxalate, and about some cations like ammonium; so an article about Fe2+ would make sense too. -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 21:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I am practically decided to create an article "iron(II)" with all the chemical information about "ferrous" in the chemist's sense. I believe that the chemists will like that. Could we revisit the fate of this "Ferrous" page after that? -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
The iron(II) page has been created. It is still a little more than a stub, though. I hope to be adding a lot more contents in the next month or so.-- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 15:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's
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This is various stuff from the merge and I don't know how much is really needed. I feel that all of this can be found in other articles.
Properties of ferrous metals:
* may be pure iron or they may be alloys of iron and other elements. * it is common that they be highly magnetic, although not all of them are. (Austenitic stainless steel, a ferrous metal, is non-magnetic, while cobalt is magnetic but non-ferrous.)
==Ferrous metals== Common ferrous metals include the various irons and steels. Common non-ferrous metals include aluminum, copper, lead, tin, zinc.
==Other uses==For example, referring to "ferrous metallurgy" includes the production of metallic iron, including wrought iron, cast iron, steel, or other alloying elements.
-- Wizard191 ( talk) 18:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, the article may say the uses are mostly deprecated, but... what WERE the uses? I saw this matierial in a minecraft mod, so i'm interested in what it is used for. 209.240.127.38 ( talk) 15:35, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Why does the See Also section include Ferris wheel? That article says that the Ferris wheel was named after a guy whose last name was Ferris - nothing to do with Iron. -- Sbreheny ( talk) 00:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I may not be the first to propose this, but IMO, the articles that currently have the Latin names of ions (e.g. this one) should be moved to their newer element+Roman numeral equivalents (e.g. "Iron(II)"), with the Latin names becoming the redirects instead. I have two major reasons for this:
Could moves of such pages be considered? 134.153.39.171 ( talk) 13:42, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Having edited it some, now I think that it should be a disamb page, like this:
-- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 03:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
See the section "Reform it into an iron(II) article" below. -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 21:13, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Dropping a stone down the well here. In the now non-standard (though still widely used among practical chemists) English-language chemical nomenclature, 'ferrous' means iron(II) and 'ferric' iron(III). That is, the name of the cation is modified to reflect the valence state of iron in the compound. In (what may be) the obsolete German-language nomenclature, the name of the anion is modified to reflect the valence state of iron. Ferrous chloride = Eisenchlorür; Ferric chloride = Eisenchlorid. That makes perfect sense, it's just another way of looking at it.
We must avoid forcing modern terminology onto the old literature and customary practice. I recall a summer student who needed some ethanoic acid, but was unable to find a bottle of it anywhere in the lab. He didn't know the common name. Everything we do must be designed to help readers, not to enforce standards.
In conclusion: I quite like ferrous in its current state. It distinguishes clearly between the chemists' and the metallurgists' meanings, and points a reader who may have come across the word in helpful directions. Narky Blert ( talk) 22:30, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Instead of turning this page into a disamb, as proposed above (or in addition to that), one could create an iron(II) article with all the chemical information about the iron(II) cation and complexes of it. The ferric article already tries to do that for iron(III), and should then be renamed iron(III). Note that there are already many articles about anions, like sulfate and oxalate, and about some cations like ammonium; so an article about Fe2+ would make sense too. -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 21:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I am practically decided to create an article "iron(II)" with all the chemical information about "ferrous" in the chemist's sense. I believe that the chemists will like that. Could we revisit the fate of this "Ferrous" page after that? -- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
The iron(II) page has been created. It is still a little more than a stub, though. I hope to be adding a lot more contents in the next month or so.-- Jorge Stolfi ( talk) 15:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)