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But then someone needs to proofread really good.
I have read that in the mid 1950s Ockelbo-Lundgren made a replica of the Ferrari 500 Mondial (now sold as Pagano [1]), but I haven't managed to find any info on it. It don't seem to be on the list here. Was it overlooked or is it listed under another name? // Liftarn
Ferrari was also succesful in the 2000's (VERY SUCCESSFUL IN F1), winning 5 out of 7 championships in the 2000's so far.. i'm adding the 2000's to the intro.
Hi
Ferrari built and shipped 3 cars for the last (cancelled) Carerra Panamerica race in the 50's. A friend of mine Jim Hall of Houston TX, not to be confused with Jim Hall of Chapparal fame (they did compete against each other when the Chapparal was still a front engined car). Bought one of these 3 4.9 Ferraris and raced it up into the late 60's at SCCA events in Texas. This car was very fast for it's time. It was clocked at 183mph at the annual 4th of July event in Galveston TX. There was nothing tempermental about this Ferrari. It would sit idling for hours in the texas heat between races in the pit area.
I have never seen any documentation of this car, and would be interested to find where it wound up.
Surprised there has been no mention that Ferraris are among the most desirable cars ever made, and are one of the ultimate status symbols of wealth in the western wealth. So I've got the ball rolling.
Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know.
Thanks
Richard
Hello Guys,
I'm trying to convince a friend of yours to collaborate in improving the text. Up to this time seemingly without success...
Among several errors here and there, what the text lacks most is the link between success in sportcar races / series car production and f1 endeavor.
A key point to consider here is the fact that Ferrari was born to race sportcars. As a marque, since its startup period, it manufactured sportcars, competition GTs and formula cars at the same time, in addition to road cars. With limited human and economic resources available, it was the only manufacturer that did this. And you can imagine how much a multiple competition program had costed (travel cars and people internationally, refurbishing and mantaining several types of engines at the same time etc, adapting their racecars to multiple rules) It also did this with immense success both before and after the institution of the sportscars championship in 1953.
A more thorough presentation of the Ferrari success in the world sportscar championship should be added.
Another key factor to consider is the advent of Ford in european motorsport. In the present version of the text, it is wrongly stated that Ferrari searched for Ford's help in 1963. Please check and correct this. It was Ford that approached Ferrari with a buying offer. Also, the economic and political power of Ford completely changed european racing forever. As for Ferrari, this event made evident that it was no more possible to lead multiple racing programs at the same time with the resources available. At the end of 1973, Ferrari abandoned sportcar racing to fully dedicate itself to f1. As a consequence, it went on to narrowly lose the 1974 f1 championship with Clay Regazzoni and to win several championships in the late 70s.
A third key factor that is not apparent in the text is that, after the retirement of Forghieri and the gradual phase out of the "old Ferrari" even if Ferrari in the 80s and 90s hired british specialists for the design of the f1 chassis (Barnard, Nichols etc), that were hailed as geniuses in their field of expertise by the press, the f1 program did not meet with much success. If you remember, in several seasons the f1 car was utterly wrong and not competitive.
As a general impression, the text right now seems to be written with limited knowledge of the history of the brand. In several parts there are wrong, subjective comments or alterations of the facts.
The 1967 Dino 206 Gt was not the first MR engined road Ferrari. The first was the 1963 250 LM that was not granted homologation for racing in the GT category of the 1964 WSSC but that still could be bought as a roadcar (it was sold with seats....) and was effectively sold to a few rich clients that do not raced it.
The text also lacks some detail as to the firm development in the different periods of its history.
What do you think? 151.44.36.9 ( talk) 09:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
I just changed the construction of sentences referring to Scuderia Ferrari: they are now singular in construction ("Ferrari is") rather than plural ("Ferrari are"). I give a couple of reasons for making this change:
The rendering of the team as plural was an idiosyncratic decision that I, an American, personally made. I do not think it reflects either correct British English usage or the best interests of this page. If anyone would like to make a counterpoint please feel free. Marisauna ( talk) 16:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Came here from seeing a beautiful car in the wild. The Monza sp2. It is listed as out of production as of 2023 but still listed as current in this article in contradiction to the article on the car. I am not familiar with the car industry nor car wiki but this seems contradictory to me. Either one is wrong or I'm missing an explanation in one (both?) Of the articles. 2A02:1406:45:93D8:1CE:9F43:9E29:8789 ( talk) 22:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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But then someone needs to proofread really good.
I have read that in the mid 1950s Ockelbo-Lundgren made a replica of the Ferrari 500 Mondial (now sold as Pagano [1]), but I haven't managed to find any info on it. It don't seem to be on the list here. Was it overlooked or is it listed under another name? // Liftarn
Ferrari was also succesful in the 2000's (VERY SUCCESSFUL IN F1), winning 5 out of 7 championships in the 2000's so far.. i'm adding the 2000's to the intro.
Hi
Ferrari built and shipped 3 cars for the last (cancelled) Carerra Panamerica race in the 50's. A friend of mine Jim Hall of Houston TX, not to be confused with Jim Hall of Chapparal fame (they did compete against each other when the Chapparal was still a front engined car). Bought one of these 3 4.9 Ferraris and raced it up into the late 60's at SCCA events in Texas. This car was very fast for it's time. It was clocked at 183mph at the annual 4th of July event in Galveston TX. There was nothing tempermental about this Ferrari. It would sit idling for hours in the texas heat between races in the pit area.
I have never seen any documentation of this car, and would be interested to find where it wound up.
Surprised there has been no mention that Ferraris are among the most desirable cars ever made, and are one of the ultimate status symbols of wealth in the western wealth. So I've got the ball rolling.
Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know.
Thanks
Richard
Hello Guys,
I'm trying to convince a friend of yours to collaborate in improving the text. Up to this time seemingly without success...
Among several errors here and there, what the text lacks most is the link between success in sportcar races / series car production and f1 endeavor.
A key point to consider here is the fact that Ferrari was born to race sportcars. As a marque, since its startup period, it manufactured sportcars, competition GTs and formula cars at the same time, in addition to road cars. With limited human and economic resources available, it was the only manufacturer that did this. And you can imagine how much a multiple competition program had costed (travel cars and people internationally, refurbishing and mantaining several types of engines at the same time etc, adapting their racecars to multiple rules) It also did this with immense success both before and after the institution of the sportscars championship in 1953.
A more thorough presentation of the Ferrari success in the world sportscar championship should be added.
Another key factor to consider is the advent of Ford in european motorsport. In the present version of the text, it is wrongly stated that Ferrari searched for Ford's help in 1963. Please check and correct this. It was Ford that approached Ferrari with a buying offer. Also, the economic and political power of Ford completely changed european racing forever. As for Ferrari, this event made evident that it was no more possible to lead multiple racing programs at the same time with the resources available. At the end of 1973, Ferrari abandoned sportcar racing to fully dedicate itself to f1. As a consequence, it went on to narrowly lose the 1974 f1 championship with Clay Regazzoni and to win several championships in the late 70s.
A third key factor that is not apparent in the text is that, after the retirement of Forghieri and the gradual phase out of the "old Ferrari" even if Ferrari in the 80s and 90s hired british specialists for the design of the f1 chassis (Barnard, Nichols etc), that were hailed as geniuses in their field of expertise by the press, the f1 program did not meet with much success. If you remember, in several seasons the f1 car was utterly wrong and not competitive.
As a general impression, the text right now seems to be written with limited knowledge of the history of the brand. In several parts there are wrong, subjective comments or alterations of the facts.
The 1967 Dino 206 Gt was not the first MR engined road Ferrari. The first was the 1963 250 LM that was not granted homologation for racing in the GT category of the 1964 WSSC but that still could be bought as a roadcar (it was sold with seats....) and was effectively sold to a few rich clients that do not raced it.
The text also lacks some detail as to the firm development in the different periods of its history.
What do you think? 151.44.36.9 ( talk) 09:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
I just changed the construction of sentences referring to Scuderia Ferrari: they are now singular in construction ("Ferrari is") rather than plural ("Ferrari are"). I give a couple of reasons for making this change:
The rendering of the team as plural was an idiosyncratic decision that I, an American, personally made. I do not think it reflects either correct British English usage or the best interests of this page. If anyone would like to make a counterpoint please feel free. Marisauna ( talk) 16:20, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Came here from seeing a beautiful car in the wild. The Monza sp2. It is listed as out of production as of 2023 but still listed as current in this article in contradiction to the article on the car. I am not familiar with the car industry nor car wiki but this seems contradictory to me. Either one is wrong or I'm missing an explanation in one (both?) Of the articles. 2A02:1406:45:93D8:1CE:9F43:9E29:8789 ( talk) 22:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)