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I suggest the page to be moved to Feodosiya. It is both Russian and Ukrainian name, and also closer to the original Greek pronunciation. I believe that Theodosia is rarely used even in English. -- Ghirlandajo 14:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Don't want to be a pedant - okay, maybe I do - but the 'original' Greek pronunciation was an aspirated 't', not a fricative, but 'th' is the standard transliteration. Both are valid, but the 'more correct' transliteration is outdated since the media today, knowing it as a Ukrainian town, write it 'Feodosiya'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.146.80 ( talk) 16:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Instead of quarreling about this I would have thought a link to this page might be appropriate, even entertaining: /info/en/?search=2006_anti-NATO_protests_in_Feodosia. The quarrels about transliteration, transcription, plus the influence of a variety of languages will never cease. So - let's turn to something productive, one of them referring to the page above. 2001:8003:A921:6300:4D3:17B6:5962:EFF8 ( talk) 23:54, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Anittas added correct detailes, but not on the topic. Alexader Havras and Isaac Havras were the rulers of the Principality of Theodoro, south-western Crimea. In 1475 Stephen III of Moldavia really helped his brother-in-law, Alexander, to replace Isaac. But these facts are not simpliciter connected with the history of Genoesian Caffa. Don Alessandro 16:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
In 1475, Stephen III of Moldavia sent his brother-in-law, Alexander Gabras, to Caffa with the purpose of replacing a local ruler from the Gabrades family, who was Alexander's own brother and vassal to the Ottomans.
Dear friends! Stephen III sent Alexander Gabras (Havras, Gavras) not to Caffa, but to the city of Theodoro (Feodoro) - today's Mangup-Kale. And Isaac Gabras was the Prince of Theodoro. The House of Gabras was the ruling family of the Principality of Theodoro. Gabrases never ruled Caffa, and even never lived there! Genoesian Caffa and Greek Theodoro were two differen states, and there were several wars between them. That is why I've said that Anittas' additions were not on the topic. These facts are quite correct, but they have no direct connection to the history of the city of Caffa. Don Alessandro 12:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ghirlandajo that the page should be moved to Feodosiya. GoogleEarth has it mentioned as Feodosiya; that should account for something. Errabee 15:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Not really. The modern English books and media use Moscow for the capital of Russia. For whatever reason they use Feodosiya for this Crimean city. We should just use the most recognizable name which is the most frequently used one. The usage changed since 1911. If in another 100 years NYTimes and Britannica will consistently use Moskva, WP will do so too (provided all three will still be around). -- Irpen 07:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
"Copying the media" is another name for "following the most widely accepted English usage", which is required by WP:NC. -- Irpen 02:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Moved as requested. bd2412 T 16:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Feodosiya → Feodosia – WP:COMMONNAME [2] Երևանցի talk 10:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I'm not suggesting Theodosia, since it was mostly used through the 19th century and isn't common nowadays [3]-- Երևանցի talk 10:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Feodosia should not be shown as "Country: Russia/Ukraine[1]". The city is part of Crimea, which is part of Ukraine, both legally and under international law. Only Russia and two of its satellite countries recognize Russian rule. Therefore the city should be shown as "Ukraine (under Russian military occupation)". 101.98.138.52 ( talk) 08:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
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This section is copy-pasted also into Yevpatoria, Yalta, Kerch and Sevastopol pages by @ Vitalii Moshkivskyi: without any intro and with bare in-line references. This information is already in Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation article, and no information from this section makes a connection to the towns mentioned. As those articles stand, these sections should be removed, till relevant RS information for those specific sections can be provided. Smeagol 17 ( talk) 15:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
A line under the "Kefe (Ottoman)" section uses the term "Istanbul" for historical Constantinople at one point. I think this should be changed to using Constantinople across the board for consistency and accuracy.
Russia is approaching a decade of control in Crimea, it should be reviewed to show Russia as the country of the towns and cities within now. To stay accurate with the reality 2001:56A:FC20:3C00:5BD:C869:6853:F2BF ( talk) 23:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Feodosia lat,long:
Since "upper Tower, Genoese fortress" is intact and clear in satellite imagery I chose 45.0215621,35.3992733 ...GeoHack is not as precise...
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I suggest the page to be moved to Feodosiya. It is both Russian and Ukrainian name, and also closer to the original Greek pronunciation. I believe that Theodosia is rarely used even in English. -- Ghirlandajo 14:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Don't want to be a pedant - okay, maybe I do - but the 'original' Greek pronunciation was an aspirated 't', not a fricative, but 'th' is the standard transliteration. Both are valid, but the 'more correct' transliteration is outdated since the media today, knowing it as a Ukrainian town, write it 'Feodosiya'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.185.146.80 ( talk) 16:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Instead of quarreling about this I would have thought a link to this page might be appropriate, even entertaining: /info/en/?search=2006_anti-NATO_protests_in_Feodosia. The quarrels about transliteration, transcription, plus the influence of a variety of languages will never cease. So - let's turn to something productive, one of them referring to the page above. 2001:8003:A921:6300:4D3:17B6:5962:EFF8 ( talk) 23:54, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Anittas added correct detailes, but not on the topic. Alexader Havras and Isaac Havras were the rulers of the Principality of Theodoro, south-western Crimea. In 1475 Stephen III of Moldavia really helped his brother-in-law, Alexander, to replace Isaac. But these facts are not simpliciter connected with the history of Genoesian Caffa. Don Alessandro 16:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
In 1475, Stephen III of Moldavia sent his brother-in-law, Alexander Gabras, to Caffa with the purpose of replacing a local ruler from the Gabrades family, who was Alexander's own brother and vassal to the Ottomans.
Dear friends! Stephen III sent Alexander Gabras (Havras, Gavras) not to Caffa, but to the city of Theodoro (Feodoro) - today's Mangup-Kale. And Isaac Gabras was the Prince of Theodoro. The House of Gabras was the ruling family of the Principality of Theodoro. Gabrases never ruled Caffa, and even never lived there! Genoesian Caffa and Greek Theodoro were two differen states, and there were several wars between them. That is why I've said that Anittas' additions were not on the topic. These facts are quite correct, but they have no direct connection to the history of the city of Caffa. Don Alessandro 12:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ghirlandajo that the page should be moved to Feodosiya. GoogleEarth has it mentioned as Feodosiya; that should account for something. Errabee 15:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Not really. The modern English books and media use Moscow for the capital of Russia. For whatever reason they use Feodosiya for this Crimean city. We should just use the most recognizable name which is the most frequently used one. The usage changed since 1911. If in another 100 years NYTimes and Britannica will consistently use Moskva, WP will do so too (provided all three will still be around). -- Irpen 07:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
"Copying the media" is another name for "following the most widely accepted English usage", which is required by WP:NC. -- Irpen 02:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Moved as requested. bd2412 T 16:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Feodosiya → Feodosia – WP:COMMONNAME [2] Երևանցի talk 10:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I'm not suggesting Theodosia, since it was mostly used through the 19th century and isn't common nowadays [3]-- Երևանցի talk 10:35, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Feodosia should not be shown as "Country: Russia/Ukraine[1]". The city is part of Crimea, which is part of Ukraine, both legally and under international law. Only Russia and two of its satellite countries recognize Russian rule. Therefore the city should be shown as "Ukraine (under Russian military occupation)". 101.98.138.52 ( talk) 08:25, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:22, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
This section is copy-pasted also into Yevpatoria, Yalta, Kerch and Sevastopol pages by @ Vitalii Moshkivskyi: without any intro and with bare in-line references. This information is already in Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation article, and no information from this section makes a connection to the towns mentioned. As those articles stand, these sections should be removed, till relevant RS information for those specific sections can be provided. Smeagol 17 ( talk) 15:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
A line under the "Kefe (Ottoman)" section uses the term "Istanbul" for historical Constantinople at one point. I think this should be changed to using Constantinople across the board for consistency and accuracy.
Russia is approaching a decade of control in Crimea, it should be reviewed to show Russia as the country of the towns and cities within now. To stay accurate with the reality 2001:56A:FC20:3C00:5BD:C869:6853:F2BF ( talk) 23:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Feodosia lat,long:
Since "upper Tower, Genoese fortress" is intact and clear in satellite imagery I chose 45.0215621,35.3992733 ...GeoHack is not as precise...