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This wiki page is reporting the popular Mythology of the killings in Juarez as fact. The fact is that women constitute 10% of the deaths in Juarez and is about the same for other violent Mexican cities, both per capita and percentage of deaths. It has been at this level for years. Women constitute about 20% of murders in the USA . The Femicide narrative is convenient for many, it fits their world view or deflects from the shocking level of violence in Juarez. The email from the "Huntress" also originated in the USA. This page is simply dreadful.
Molly Molloy at New Mexico State University who has researched this issue carefully. http://newscenter.nmsu.edu/7508/ CSDarrow ( talk) 17:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
PERHAPS ... instead of "fighting Wikipedia" you could try battling the problem! "A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 96 percent of all homicide perpetrators worldwide and 79% of the victims." This is from a Wiki article, Homicide Statistics by Gender ( /info/en/?search=Homicide_statistics_by_gender) ..
MEXICO 26,037 total homicides; 89.3% Male victims, total 23,251, or 19.2%.
10.7% Female Victims, total 2,786 or 2.3%. (2012)
USA 14,827 total homicides; 77.8% Male victims, total 11,535 or 3.7%.
22.2% Female victims, total 3,292, or 1.0% (2010)
BRAZIL 50,108 total homicides; 89.8% male, or 44,997 or 22.6%
10.2% Female victims, total 5,111, or 2.6% (2010)
In other articles, also on Wiki, and elsewhere on the web: By city: HOUSTON (2012) 216 total - as reported, there are few unreported murders. (302 dead, 2016)
JUAREZ (2010) 607 total - as reported; but great numbers of murders were not reported until later: 3700 in 2010.
Hundreds of thousands of people came to Juarez for work beginning in the early 1990's. The population of women workers as being the target for many iof the murders isn't debated. Neither is the fact that the majority of both victims and perpetrators of homicide are men, that's true everywhere. They are the most significant killers, and are also have the highest rates of being the victims. No one can say that about women, anywhere. Women are usually the victims, everywhere. This isn't rabid feminism. It's simple facts. Extrapolate what you will, those facts are irrefutable.
This isn't about feminism or bad reporting either. The stats speak for themselves,and I believe people are mixing up the years in which things happened in Juarez. The cartels, like the Sinoloa and Juarez, began to run the scene from 2008 to 2012. Facts are that more women than average were being kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered in Juarez than elsewhere from the early 1900's up to about 2010, when ALL murders dropped by almost 50%. In that one year alone, more than 3700 murderes were counted, but by 2011, that number had dropped by nearly 50%. Better reporting? Worse? What changed in 2010 and beyond? National Geographic article ..."Mexico found the political will, in Juárez at least, to strengthen the criminal justice system and invest in the local government. Doing so encouraged bravery from some unexpected protagonists: law enforcement officials who forged a more professional police force in a country where cops are often corrupt, businesspeople who stayed to fight rather than flee, and government officials who challenged the sclerotic bureaucracy and spearheaded dramatic reforms." ( http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/06/juarez-mexico-border-city-drug-cartels-murder-revival/ ) PLUS, the international community had eyes on them all, including the American companies. Have the rates of female rape and murders significantly dropped in 2017?
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I have restored the longstanding "multiple issues" tag which was removed recently. Yes, the article includes the research of Molly Molloy and others, but it still continues to present a highly misleading picture. Female deaths make up as low as 10% of homicides. But this doesn't stop the article containing such comments as: "This patriarchal backlash may indeed be the result of lack of employment opportunities for men and more women entering the workforce which has altered traditional gender dynamics and created a situation of conflict between the sexes." What patriarchal backlash? And there are stupid statements, such as: "Most of the victims are young women who come from impoverished backgrounds and work in maquiladoras, as factory workers, in other sectors of the informal economy, or are students. In addition, many victims share common physical attributes, including dark skin, slender physique, and dark, shoulder-length hair." Well, most young women in Mexico share those physical attributes. The article is a land that logic forgot. Bizarrely, the article also suggests that the men convicted of the murders were innocent! And (of course) it also points to "perceived government inaction in preventing violence against women and girls and bringing perpetrators to justice". The article contains a lot of emotional quotes, but very little facts. For example, "Amnesty International reports, 'Inadequate official data on the crimes committed in Chihuahua, particularly accurate figures on the exact number of murders and abductions of girls and women, has led to disputes around the issues that obscure the quest for justice'". OK, so we can have a quest for justice, even if we don't know anyone died??? The death toll is estimated as of 2005. Sorry, that's a long time ago, people. Almost all of the sources used are from 10 years ago, yet the article presents the situation as ongoing. How is that factual accurate? Clearly it's not. I think Molly Molloy exposed this as a myth a long time ago. Weirdly, people keep on adding to the article without adding to the sources (only 26). I think this article is an candidate for major editing, if not deletion.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:09, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
An article I am interested in is this article about femicides in Cd. JuarezT. he article has a lot of issues and warnings at the top about questions over its neutrality, factual accuracy, lends undue weight to ideas, and needs an update. I think it would be a really good fix up project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecprofit ( talk • contribs) 02:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Femicides in Ciudad Juárez per evidence provided by Drmies and Kaldari. No such user ( talk) 10:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Feminicides in Ciudad Juárez →
Femicides in Ciudad Juárez –
Tbhotch
moved this page from "Female homicides" to "Feminicides"--that's a great improvement, but it seems to me that "Femicide" is a more accepted word, and that "Feminicide" is an all-too close translation of the Spanish. I can't easily count the hits in Google Books, and there are plenty for each one. But our own article is called
Femicide, and looking through the article, I see only one hit for "feminicide" in the references: Monarrez Fragoso, Julia (2008), "An Analysis of Feminicide in Ciudad Juárez: 1993–2007"--and perhaps ironically that's published in a book called Strengthening Understanding of Femicide: Using Research to Galvanize Action and Accountability. And "femicide" occurs six or seven times in the references for the article. In other words, I think there's enough reason to move the article.
Drmies (
talk) 17:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. (
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This wiki page is reporting the popular Mythology of the killings in Juarez as fact. The fact is that women constitute 10% of the deaths in Juarez and is about the same for other violent Mexican cities, both per capita and percentage of deaths. It has been at this level for years. Women constitute about 20% of murders in the USA . The Femicide narrative is convenient for many, it fits their world view or deflects from the shocking level of violence in Juarez. The email from the "Huntress" also originated in the USA. This page is simply dreadful.
Molly Molloy at New Mexico State University who has researched this issue carefully. http://newscenter.nmsu.edu/7508/ CSDarrow ( talk) 17:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
PERHAPS ... instead of "fighting Wikipedia" you could try battling the problem! "A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 96 percent of all homicide perpetrators worldwide and 79% of the victims." This is from a Wiki article, Homicide Statistics by Gender ( /info/en/?search=Homicide_statistics_by_gender) ..
MEXICO 26,037 total homicides; 89.3% Male victims, total 23,251, or 19.2%.
10.7% Female Victims, total 2,786 or 2.3%. (2012)
USA 14,827 total homicides; 77.8% Male victims, total 11,535 or 3.7%.
22.2% Female victims, total 3,292, or 1.0% (2010)
BRAZIL 50,108 total homicides; 89.8% male, or 44,997 or 22.6%
10.2% Female victims, total 5,111, or 2.6% (2010)
In other articles, also on Wiki, and elsewhere on the web: By city: HOUSTON (2012) 216 total - as reported, there are few unreported murders. (302 dead, 2016)
JUAREZ (2010) 607 total - as reported; but great numbers of murders were not reported until later: 3700 in 2010.
Hundreds of thousands of people came to Juarez for work beginning in the early 1990's. The population of women workers as being the target for many iof the murders isn't debated. Neither is the fact that the majority of both victims and perpetrators of homicide are men, that's true everywhere. They are the most significant killers, and are also have the highest rates of being the victims. No one can say that about women, anywhere. Women are usually the victims, everywhere. This isn't rabid feminism. It's simple facts. Extrapolate what you will, those facts are irrefutable.
This isn't about feminism or bad reporting either. The stats speak for themselves,and I believe people are mixing up the years in which things happened in Juarez. The cartels, like the Sinoloa and Juarez, began to run the scene from 2008 to 2012. Facts are that more women than average were being kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered in Juarez than elsewhere from the early 1900's up to about 2010, when ALL murders dropped by almost 50%. In that one year alone, more than 3700 murderes were counted, but by 2011, that number had dropped by nearly 50%. Better reporting? Worse? What changed in 2010 and beyond? National Geographic article ..."Mexico found the political will, in Juárez at least, to strengthen the criminal justice system and invest in the local government. Doing so encouraged bravery from some unexpected protagonists: law enforcement officials who forged a more professional police force in a country where cops are often corrupt, businesspeople who stayed to fight rather than flee, and government officials who challenged the sclerotic bureaucracy and spearheaded dramatic reforms." ( http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/06/juarez-mexico-border-city-drug-cartels-murder-revival/ ) PLUS, the international community had eyes on them all, including the American companies. Have the rates of female rape and murders significantly dropped in 2017?
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I have restored the longstanding "multiple issues" tag which was removed recently. Yes, the article includes the research of Molly Molloy and others, but it still continues to present a highly misleading picture. Female deaths make up as low as 10% of homicides. But this doesn't stop the article containing such comments as: "This patriarchal backlash may indeed be the result of lack of employment opportunities for men and more women entering the workforce which has altered traditional gender dynamics and created a situation of conflict between the sexes." What patriarchal backlash? And there are stupid statements, such as: "Most of the victims are young women who come from impoverished backgrounds and work in maquiladoras, as factory workers, in other sectors of the informal economy, or are students. In addition, many victims share common physical attributes, including dark skin, slender physique, and dark, shoulder-length hair." Well, most young women in Mexico share those physical attributes. The article is a land that logic forgot. Bizarrely, the article also suggests that the men convicted of the murders were innocent! And (of course) it also points to "perceived government inaction in preventing violence against women and girls and bringing perpetrators to justice". The article contains a lot of emotional quotes, but very little facts. For example, "Amnesty International reports, 'Inadequate official data on the crimes committed in Chihuahua, particularly accurate figures on the exact number of murders and abductions of girls and women, has led to disputes around the issues that obscure the quest for justice'". OK, so we can have a quest for justice, even if we don't know anyone died??? The death toll is estimated as of 2005. Sorry, that's a long time ago, people. Almost all of the sources used are from 10 years ago, yet the article presents the situation as ongoing. How is that factual accurate? Clearly it's not. I think Molly Molloy exposed this as a myth a long time ago. Weirdly, people keep on adding to the article without adding to the sources (only 26). I think this article is an candidate for major editing, if not deletion.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:09, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
An article I am interested in is this article about femicides in Cd. JuarezT. he article has a lot of issues and warnings at the top about questions over its neutrality, factual accuracy, lends undue weight to ideas, and needs an update. I think it would be a really good fix up project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alecprofit ( talk • contribs) 02:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Femicides in Ciudad Juárez per evidence provided by Drmies and Kaldari. No such user ( talk) 10:16, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Feminicides in Ciudad Juárez →
Femicides in Ciudad Juárez –
Tbhotch
moved this page from "Female homicides" to "Feminicides"--that's a great improvement, but it seems to me that "Femicide" is a more accepted word, and that "Feminicide" is an all-too close translation of the Spanish. I can't easily count the hits in Google Books, and there are plenty for each one. But our own article is called
Femicide, and looking through the article, I see only one hit for "feminicide" in the references: Monarrez Fragoso, Julia (2008), "An Analysis of Feminicide in Ciudad Juárez: 1993–2007"--and perhaps ironically that's published in a book called Strengthening Understanding of Femicide: Using Research to Galvanize Action and Accountability. And "femicide" occurs six or seven times in the references for the article. In other words, I think there's enough reason to move the article.
Drmies (
talk) 17:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. (
t ·
c)
buidhe 04:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)