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No idea how editing works, but "selective stopping" wouldn't produce a biased sex ratio. That's just not how statistics works.
Female abortion is not "female foeticide". The article needs to be either moved, merged, deleted or rewritten as per the legal definitions of foeticide and abortion. -- 92slim ( talk) 02:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
The question is whether the term is neutral enough to serve as a lemma. "Foeticide" implies that a foetus is an independent living organism, which is highly controversial. "Selective abortion" seems to be an adequate neutral term. The article should be renamed "Sex-selective abortion in India" or merged into Sex-selective abortion.-- 14.207.81.103 ( talk) 02:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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I would like to edit the lede to be a bit more straightforward, and specifically cite the specific government document found by the helpful Mr Potto above. So would it be possible to replace the existing first paragraph:
The frequency of female foeticide in India, the practice of killing a foetus because it is female, is indirectly estimated from the observed high birth sex ratio in India. The natural ratio of boys to girls at birth is assumed to be between 103 to 107, and any number above it is considered as suggestive of female foeticide. According to the decennial Indian census, the sex ratio in the 0 to 6 age group in India has risen from 102.4 males per 100 females in 1961, [1] to 104.1 in 1981, to 107.8 in 2001, to 108.8 in 2011. [2]
with:
The practice of female foeticide in India, causing the death of the foetus in the womb because of the gender, has resulted in an all-time high birth sex ratio in India, according to the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. [3] The Pre-Conception and Pre-Natal Diagnostic Techniques Act (PCPNDT) of 1994 criminalized prenatal sex screening and female foeticide, making it illegal in India to determine or disclose sex of the foetus to anyone. However, there are concerns that PCPNDT Act has been poorly enforced by authorities. [4]
The natural ratio of boys to girls at birth is assumed to be between 103 to 107, and any number above it is considered as suggestive of female foeticide. According to the decennial Indian census, the sex ratio in the 0 to 6 age group in India has risen from 102.4 males per 100 females in 1961, [5] to 104.1 in 1981, to 107.8 in 2001, to 108.8 in 2011. [2]
And delete the duplicate third paragraph about the PCPNDT legislation.
I think changing the subject of the lede to "the practice of female feticide" as opposed to "the frequency of female feticide" is a stronger lede, but I'm welcome to alternate suggestions on this. This way the lede has the definition with appropriate links, the notability of this practice, and the reference that this is according to a highly reliable source (Indian Ministry of Health). —Мандичка YO 😜 02:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
which is the last part of the lede, has to go as it's synthesis of the sources. I'm sure there are lots of sources to say that this is a current practice, so best if we don't try to bring about that statement by analyzing data tables. — Spaceman Spiff 17:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)Similarly, child sex ratio greater than 115 boys per 100 girls is found in regions where the predominant majority is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian; furthermore "normal" child sex ratio of 104 to 106 boys per 100 girls are also found in regions where the predominant majority is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian. These data contradict any hypotheses that may suggest that sex selection is an archaic practice which takes place among uneducated, poor sections or particular religion of the Indian society.
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No idea how editing works, but "selective stopping" wouldn't produce a biased sex ratio. That's just not how statistics works.
Female abortion is not "female foeticide". The article needs to be either moved, merged, deleted or rewritten as per the legal definitions of foeticide and abortion. -- 92slim ( talk) 02:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
The question is whether the term is neutral enough to serve as a lemma. "Foeticide" implies that a foetus is an independent living organism, which is highly controversial. "Selective abortion" seems to be an adequate neutral term. The article should be renamed "Sex-selective abortion in India" or merged into Sex-selective abortion.-- 14.207.81.103 ( talk) 02:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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I would like to edit the lede to be a bit more straightforward, and specifically cite the specific government document found by the helpful Mr Potto above. So would it be possible to replace the existing first paragraph:
The frequency of female foeticide in India, the practice of killing a foetus because it is female, is indirectly estimated from the observed high birth sex ratio in India. The natural ratio of boys to girls at birth is assumed to be between 103 to 107, and any number above it is considered as suggestive of female foeticide. According to the decennial Indian census, the sex ratio in the 0 to 6 age group in India has risen from 102.4 males per 100 females in 1961, [1] to 104.1 in 1981, to 107.8 in 2001, to 108.8 in 2011. [2]
with:
The practice of female foeticide in India, causing the death of the foetus in the womb because of the gender, has resulted in an all-time high birth sex ratio in India, according to the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare. [3] The Pre-Conception and Pre-Natal Diagnostic Techniques Act (PCPNDT) of 1994 criminalized prenatal sex screening and female foeticide, making it illegal in India to determine or disclose sex of the foetus to anyone. However, there are concerns that PCPNDT Act has been poorly enforced by authorities. [4]
The natural ratio of boys to girls at birth is assumed to be between 103 to 107, and any number above it is considered as suggestive of female foeticide. According to the decennial Indian census, the sex ratio in the 0 to 6 age group in India has risen from 102.4 males per 100 females in 1961, [5] to 104.1 in 1981, to 107.8 in 2001, to 108.8 in 2011. [2]
And delete the duplicate third paragraph about the PCPNDT legislation.
I think changing the subject of the lede to "the practice of female feticide" as opposed to "the frequency of female feticide" is a stronger lede, but I'm welcome to alternate suggestions on this. This way the lede has the definition with appropriate links, the notability of this practice, and the reference that this is according to a highly reliable source (Indian Ministry of Health). —Мандичка YO 😜 02:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
which is the last part of the lede, has to go as it's synthesis of the sources. I'm sure there are lots of sources to say that this is a current practice, so best if we don't try to bring about that statement by analyzing data tables. — Spaceman Spiff 17:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)Similarly, child sex ratio greater than 115 boys per 100 girls is found in regions where the predominant majority is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian; furthermore "normal" child sex ratio of 104 to 106 boys per 100 girls are also found in regions where the predominant majority is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian. These data contradict any hypotheses that may suggest that sex selection is an archaic practice which takes place among uneducated, poor sections or particular religion of the Indian society.
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was invoked but never defined (see the
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