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I am in the process of improving and adapting this page but a vandal: RolandR saldly keeps altering this. I intend on slowly developing this page whilst this man seems to want to keep it a stub.
FZY is the oldest and largest Zionist Youth Movement in Britain being nearly 100 years old. A Google search for "FZY Zionist" returns over 3000 entries, every single one of them about the movement in question. [1] It has a vast and rich history that has involved many members who have gone on to hold high positions in the Jewish and Israeli communities. FZY's notability is utterly unquestionable. Dino246 14:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
The primary guideline for notability of a company or organization as stated in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)is: "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject." There is no evidence in the article that this is the case for FZY and I could find no evidence on line. Before you cite any such sources I would recommend reading through Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to make sure it is not excluded. I think that if no such sources can be found the best arguemnet for notability would be to argue the "The organization’s longevity, size of membership, or major achievements", which can also be considered per the guideline. Also you mention former members holding high positions, do any of them have pages on Wikipedia, that might help. [[ Guest9999 15:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)]]
I think you're probably right and FZY is notable, I agree that the article needs a lot of work as among other things it doesn't cite sources and it doesn't really say why FZY is notable. [[ Guest9999 00:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)]]
Fzyuser is repeatedly adding text copied directly from other sites, including [3], [4] and [5]. This is not permitted under Wikipedia policy, and could result in the user being blocked. Anyone wanting to improve this article with the use of the material in question should rewrite it in their own words. RolandR 10:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
There's a little tug of war going on here and both sides need to take a step back. To the person/people trying to add content to this article; I'm sure your intentions are pure but the FZY website itself is not a sufficient independent source for information on the movement and wholesale copy/pasting of info from there is against Wikipedia policy. Do some research, find some newspaper articles or 3rd party references to the history of FZY and write original prose summing up the history and operations of the movement. The Jewish Chronicle, Jerusalem Post and Haaretz should have plenty of articles on FZY's programmes and activities, Abba Eban's autobiography mentions his involvement in the Young Zionist Societies. Use sources like these. Avoid writing stuff that looks like promotional material and no one will have any justification for reverting your edits. Roland, on your talk page you are a self-identifying anti-Zionist and are perhaps being a little overzealous in your reverting here. FZY has a long history and is a major British Zionist youth movement today, the article really should be more than a mere stub. Give the new editors some time to develop the article. With clear guidelines to avoid plagiarising the FZY website and to back up their claims with independent sources they should be able to flesh this article out, please give them some space to do so without them feeling intimidated. Dino246 ( talk) 21:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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I am in the process of improving and adapting this page but a vandal: RolandR saldly keeps altering this. I intend on slowly developing this page whilst this man seems to want to keep it a stub.
FZY is the oldest and largest Zionist Youth Movement in Britain being nearly 100 years old. A Google search for "FZY Zionist" returns over 3000 entries, every single one of them about the movement in question. [1] It has a vast and rich history that has involved many members who have gone on to hold high positions in the Jewish and Israeli communities. FZY's notability is utterly unquestionable. Dino246 14:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
The primary guideline for notability of a company or organization as stated in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)is: "A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject." There is no evidence in the article that this is the case for FZY and I could find no evidence on line. Before you cite any such sources I would recommend reading through Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to make sure it is not excluded. I think that if no such sources can be found the best arguemnet for notability would be to argue the "The organization’s longevity, size of membership, or major achievements", which can also be considered per the guideline. Also you mention former members holding high positions, do any of them have pages on Wikipedia, that might help. [[ Guest9999 15:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)]]
I think you're probably right and FZY is notable, I agree that the article needs a lot of work as among other things it doesn't cite sources and it doesn't really say why FZY is notable. [[ Guest9999 00:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)]]
Fzyuser is repeatedly adding text copied directly from other sites, including [3], [4] and [5]. This is not permitted under Wikipedia policy, and could result in the user being blocked. Anyone wanting to improve this article with the use of the material in question should rewrite it in their own words. RolandR 10:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
There's a little tug of war going on here and both sides need to take a step back. To the person/people trying to add content to this article; I'm sure your intentions are pure but the FZY website itself is not a sufficient independent source for information on the movement and wholesale copy/pasting of info from there is against Wikipedia policy. Do some research, find some newspaper articles or 3rd party references to the history of FZY and write original prose summing up the history and operations of the movement. The Jewish Chronicle, Jerusalem Post and Haaretz should have plenty of articles on FZY's programmes and activities, Abba Eban's autobiography mentions his involvement in the Young Zionist Societies. Use sources like these. Avoid writing stuff that looks like promotional material and no one will have any justification for reverting your edits. Roland, on your talk page you are a self-identifying anti-Zionist and are perhaps being a little overzealous in your reverting here. FZY has a long history and is a major British Zionist youth movement today, the article really should be more than a mere stub. Give the new editors some time to develop the article. With clear guidelines to avoid plagiarising the FZY website and to back up their claims with independent sources they should be able to flesh this article out, please give them some space to do so without them feeling intimidated. Dino246 ( talk) 21:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
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