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This is my first attempt at a non-orthographical/non-grammatical edit (AKA non-minor edit). There are most-definitely errors. Please, therefore, feel free to hack, revert, and slash to your heart’s content.
If someone with a bit more experience than I could please make an executive decision as to the 'currentosity' of the Paul Martin section and either keep or remove the current event banner, I would be much obliged.
As well, I’d like to know how to better-word/handle the external link at the end.
– Aeolien 02:37, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Many thanks for the heads up, SimonP. I realize that there is probably a better system. However, I found that, without the headings, the article was incredibly hard to read and follow. It definitely needed some sort of structure.
On a somewhat related note, does Arthur Meighen get his own section? Even then, that makes 7 of the reported 10 minority governments. I hope to take some time tomorrow or the next day to track down the missing sections.
Aeolien 03:28, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Hmm, the Conservatives have only 40.3% of the seats. I started looking through historical results, and got back through the 1960's, but still couldn't find a government that had the most seats, but had fewer than 40.3%. Did I miss something? This would make this a very weak minority government! Nfitz 07:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Weakness really needs to be definied and clarified in this case. If it is purely a mathematical measure of power than needs to be explicitly stated. If it is a measure of how the power is used by the Government in office than it is a much stronger minority Government than either the Clark or Martin minorities. What do you mean by MacDonald governing *as if* he had a majority. He always had majorities. The Liberal-Conservatives always ran wth the understanding the would sit with the Conservatives in the House. Schoeppe 06:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd ad them myself but I don't know what they are, someone who knows what the colours represent should add one.
This would require some real live research and citations from reliable secondary sources, but it would be interesting to know why formal coalition governments never really became a part of Canadian political culture, considering that minority governments seem to happen fairly frequently there. I'm interested in how the election in Quebec will play out in this regard: would there be any way for the second and third parties to form a government if they agreed formally or informally to support one another? -- Jfruh ( talk) 01:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure why the historical Conservative Party of Canada should have the same colour as the Progressive Conservatives rather than the new Conservative Party of Canada. If people insist on differentiating be the historical party and the new party a third colour would be more accurate than lumping all past variations of the centre-right party in Canada with the same colour.
Schoeppe 00:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure wy my edits were reverted. The following are the guidelines I read on reverts:
Reverting is a decision which should be taken seriously. Reverting is used primarily for fighting vandalism, or anything very similar to the effects of vandalism. If you are not sure whether a revert is appropriate, discuss it first rather than immediately reverting or deleting it. If you feel the edit is unsatisfactory, improve it rather than simply reverting or deleting it.
Have I been accused of vandalizing these pages?
I would much rather have my edits edited, or discuss them, rather than being reverted. Schoeppe 00:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
My objections to separating the new Conservative Party of Canada from all former non-Liberal Party of Canada governments as a clear violation of NPOV has been stated on Template:Canadian politics/party colours. The Progressive Conservative Party of Canada was a new legal entity distinct from the historical Conservative Party of Canada. By portraying the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada as an heir to the historical Conservative Party of Canada while explicitly stating that the new Conservative Party of Canada is distinct from any other party that has governed Canada clearly violates NPOV by reinforcing an image the Liberal Party of Canada is trying to foster. The image that the new Conservative Party of Canada is unrelated to the history of the historical Conservative Party of Canada or the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada as the party of the centre-right in Canada. Using one colour for both Conservative Party's of Canada recognizes that the party in power at the time was legally the Conservative Party of Canada. A neutral standard that is an agreement with NPOV. Schoeppe 05:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Bearcat has threatened me with being edit blocked for something I haven't done. Where does Bearcat derive the legal authority to threaten me? Bearcat states that I have not left the impression that the new CPC is related to the old PCs. That is false. I have maintained that the new CPC is related to the old CPC. None of my edits over the past two days have left new CPC with the same colour as the old CPC. Bearcat is clearly not operating from NPOV. He is pushing forth the agenda of the Canadian left, as a self-proclaimed supporter of the NDP it is understandable why he is arguing for this change. But the edits Bearcat made clearly violate NPOV. Who is Bearcat to threten me? Schoeppe 15:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
There is no reason to condescend or insult. "Beyond any kind of help" is not apporpriate language. The historical Conservative Party of Canada became a new legal entity when it became the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. It had to legally change it's name to be recognized under a new name in the House of Commons. That is where your argument falls apart. Your comparison is false. There appear to be only three users interested in this discussion. Does that mean the three of us can work to forge a new consensus? Or does your intransigence imbue you with the power to end all discussion on this matter? Again, the recent edits I have made have not been to use to change the colours of the old PC Party of Canada. Schoeppe 16:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't care about the parties of the past, I do however object to (new) being included with the Conservative Party of Canada. There is the New Democratic Party, but since the historical Conservative Party is identified as such, being historical and no longer in use, what purpose does the (new) serve? None. Remove it you say? Why, I would love to, thank you. Jeremy99 03:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Where is Brian Mulroney in this page? How come he is not shown? 99.243.193.64 ( talk) 02:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Contrary to Stephen Harper's propaganda, the longest minority in Canadian history was King's 1921 minority, followed by Pearson's 1965 minority. So anyway, I'm taking the part out that says Harper's was the longest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerbreadmen ( talk • contribs) 14:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article Canadian federal election, 1872, there were 200 seats in the House and the Conservatives won 99; wouldn't this be a minority, then? 24.64.165.129 ( talk) 16:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
There have been reverts back and forth for a while regarding who should be first on the list here: the 14th Parliament of W.L.M. King or the 39th of Harper. According to our source, the 14th was longer, but it went back and forth between majority and minority. If we measure how long it actually spent as a minority, it would only be 7th place, but we have no source to verify the exactly amount of time it spent as a minority; the number listed in the prose and footnotes looks like original research. So, the question is: should we keep King's in first place like our source does, even though it is misleading, or should we put it in 7th even though it is original research? -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 21:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
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This is my first attempt at a non-orthographical/non-grammatical edit (AKA non-minor edit). There are most-definitely errors. Please, therefore, feel free to hack, revert, and slash to your heart’s content.
If someone with a bit more experience than I could please make an executive decision as to the 'currentosity' of the Paul Martin section and either keep or remove the current event banner, I would be much obliged.
As well, I’d like to know how to better-word/handle the external link at the end.
– Aeolien 02:37, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Many thanks for the heads up, SimonP. I realize that there is probably a better system. However, I found that, without the headings, the article was incredibly hard to read and follow. It definitely needed some sort of structure.
On a somewhat related note, does Arthur Meighen get his own section? Even then, that makes 7 of the reported 10 minority governments. I hope to take some time tomorrow or the next day to track down the missing sections.
Aeolien 03:28, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Hmm, the Conservatives have only 40.3% of the seats. I started looking through historical results, and got back through the 1960's, but still couldn't find a government that had the most seats, but had fewer than 40.3%. Did I miss something? This would make this a very weak minority government! Nfitz 07:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Weakness really needs to be definied and clarified in this case. If it is purely a mathematical measure of power than needs to be explicitly stated. If it is a measure of how the power is used by the Government in office than it is a much stronger minority Government than either the Clark or Martin minorities. What do you mean by MacDonald governing *as if* he had a majority. He always had majorities. The Liberal-Conservatives always ran wth the understanding the would sit with the Conservatives in the House. Schoeppe 06:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd ad them myself but I don't know what they are, someone who knows what the colours represent should add one.
This would require some real live research and citations from reliable secondary sources, but it would be interesting to know why formal coalition governments never really became a part of Canadian political culture, considering that minority governments seem to happen fairly frequently there. I'm interested in how the election in Quebec will play out in this regard: would there be any way for the second and third parties to form a government if they agreed formally or informally to support one another? -- Jfruh ( talk) 01:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure why the historical Conservative Party of Canada should have the same colour as the Progressive Conservatives rather than the new Conservative Party of Canada. If people insist on differentiating be the historical party and the new party a third colour would be more accurate than lumping all past variations of the centre-right party in Canada with the same colour.
Schoeppe 00:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure wy my edits were reverted. The following are the guidelines I read on reverts:
Reverting is a decision which should be taken seriously. Reverting is used primarily for fighting vandalism, or anything very similar to the effects of vandalism. If you are not sure whether a revert is appropriate, discuss it first rather than immediately reverting or deleting it. If you feel the edit is unsatisfactory, improve it rather than simply reverting or deleting it.
Have I been accused of vandalizing these pages?
I would much rather have my edits edited, or discuss them, rather than being reverted. Schoeppe 00:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
My objections to separating the new Conservative Party of Canada from all former non-Liberal Party of Canada governments as a clear violation of NPOV has been stated on Template:Canadian politics/party colours. The Progressive Conservative Party of Canada was a new legal entity distinct from the historical Conservative Party of Canada. By portraying the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada as an heir to the historical Conservative Party of Canada while explicitly stating that the new Conservative Party of Canada is distinct from any other party that has governed Canada clearly violates NPOV by reinforcing an image the Liberal Party of Canada is trying to foster. The image that the new Conservative Party of Canada is unrelated to the history of the historical Conservative Party of Canada or the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada as the party of the centre-right in Canada. Using one colour for both Conservative Party's of Canada recognizes that the party in power at the time was legally the Conservative Party of Canada. A neutral standard that is an agreement with NPOV. Schoeppe 05:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Bearcat has threatened me with being edit blocked for something I haven't done. Where does Bearcat derive the legal authority to threaten me? Bearcat states that I have not left the impression that the new CPC is related to the old PCs. That is false. I have maintained that the new CPC is related to the old CPC. None of my edits over the past two days have left new CPC with the same colour as the old CPC. Bearcat is clearly not operating from NPOV. He is pushing forth the agenda of the Canadian left, as a self-proclaimed supporter of the NDP it is understandable why he is arguing for this change. But the edits Bearcat made clearly violate NPOV. Who is Bearcat to threten me? Schoeppe 15:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
There is no reason to condescend or insult. "Beyond any kind of help" is not apporpriate language. The historical Conservative Party of Canada became a new legal entity when it became the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. It had to legally change it's name to be recognized under a new name in the House of Commons. That is where your argument falls apart. Your comparison is false. There appear to be only three users interested in this discussion. Does that mean the three of us can work to forge a new consensus? Or does your intransigence imbue you with the power to end all discussion on this matter? Again, the recent edits I have made have not been to use to change the colours of the old PC Party of Canada. Schoeppe 16:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't care about the parties of the past, I do however object to (new) being included with the Conservative Party of Canada. There is the New Democratic Party, but since the historical Conservative Party is identified as such, being historical and no longer in use, what purpose does the (new) serve? None. Remove it you say? Why, I would love to, thank you. Jeremy99 03:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Where is Brian Mulroney in this page? How come he is not shown? 99.243.193.64 ( talk) 02:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Contrary to Stephen Harper's propaganda, the longest minority in Canadian history was King's 1921 minority, followed by Pearson's 1965 minority. So anyway, I'm taking the part out that says Harper's was the longest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingerbreadmen ( talk • contribs) 14:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article Canadian federal election, 1872, there were 200 seats in the House and the Conservatives won 99; wouldn't this be a minority, then? 24.64.165.129 ( talk) 16:22, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
There have been reverts back and forth for a while regarding who should be first on the list here: the 14th Parliament of W.L.M. King or the 39th of Harper. According to our source, the 14th was longer, but it went back and forth between majority and minority. If we measure how long it actually spent as a minority, it would only be 7th place, but we have no source to verify the exactly amount of time it spent as a minority; the number listed in the prose and footnotes looks like original research. So, the question is: should we keep King's in first place like our source does, even though it is misleading, or should we put it in 7th even though it is original research? -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 21:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
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