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It is often asserted that the FSB is the KGB in a new guise. I think this issue should be dealt with in this article. The KGB page deals with this ambiguously by talking about 'function'. We know the broad 'function' is the same, but how different is the FSB from the KGB? Is it a different organisation covering the same role (state security) or the same organisation with a few cosmetic changes?-- Jack Upland 01:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
In all truth FSB really is the KGB in a new guise. Much of the leadership is the KGB from the cold war era, of course this is starting to change since even Russians must retire from their posts at some point in time. The KGB was essentially the CIA and the FBI mashed into one Russian version. It was the secret police of the people in power, and took care of placing agents in other countries. In the new Russia that task is now split between FSB and SVR. The operations run by these to agencies are extremely sized back, but they both serve the same purpose that the KGB aimed for.
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The article has several mistakes. The FAPSI was reorginized to the FSO (Федеральная Служба Охраны, something like Federal Guard Service). President's regiment is also part of the FSO, not the FSB. Only small part of FAPSI was included in FSB - for example, Communications Security Center.
Also in the FSB exists uniformed personnel (by the way FSB and FSO have similiar blue-black uniform) and civilian personnel (secretaries, consultants, technicians, cleaners and scientific and technical workers). I think that 300000 is not uniformed personnel number, but FSB total quantity-- Вантус ( talk) 23:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
FYI (don't quote me) Talkshow host Rush Limbaugh just said, "Vladimir Putin patiently awaits Obama being reelected. He was sworn in for a third term in Russia. >>> This means that Russia has a leader to the right of France. (That was joking, but true.) Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 16:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the lede, "According to the federal law, the FSB is considered a military service just like the Armed Forces, MVD Internal Troops, FSO, SVR, FSKN and EMERCOM's civil defence." was removed without explanation. I do not see a clear statement in the article body, so I have not reverted the removal. If the paragraph is correct, that should be stated somewhere in the article body with a reference. Is it correct? -- Yngvadottir ( talk) 13:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
But as a whole the article is really bad. I think it should be better to scrap it whole and replace with few sentences of driest content possible, at least there won't be an overwhelming barrage of propaganda and disinformation there this way (I removed some, but I couldn't even bring myself to really read this tripe). -- Niemti ( talk) 19:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. As "Federal Security Service" already redirects here, so disambiguation is unnecessary. Cúchullain t/ c 19:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Federal Security Service (Russia) →
Federal Security Service –
Seems to be written by the FSB staffers. Someone needs to properly rewrite it, around the central role that the organization (the Cheka) plays in the Russian state and society today, including all branches of the government and the businees. And just a proper history, year by year, instead of three separate sections with "terrorism" in their titles.
On a related note, I just finished rewriting with Alpha Group (from this sorry article talking about "western bias" and what not).
Also, the article was just plain shitty enough to have stuff like " Alexandru koczynski , since 12 May 2008 Federal Security Service Prezident protected" in the list of directors. So no, it's probably not written by the FSB "information" staff officers. Maybe just by semi-literate Nashists or something. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
And just how to erase this bizarre "Civilian agency" from the infobox? Of course they're siloviki, not a "civilian agency". The whole article should be scrapped and written completely anew. More in the style of Littel's The Security Organs of the Russian Federation. A Brief History 1991-2004, which is so much more encyclopedic than this "encyclopedia article". -- Niemti ( talk) 17:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Starting from 1998, people from state security services came to power as Prime Ministers of Russia: a KGB veteran Yevgeny Primakov; former FSB Director Sergei Stepashin; and finally former FSB Director Vladimir Putin who was appointed in August 8 1999.
In August 7, Shamil Basaev began incursion to Dagestan which was regarded by Anna Politkovskaya as a provocation intitiated from Moscow to start war in Chechnya, because Russian forces provided safe passage for Islamic fighters back to Chechnya [1]. It was reported that Aleksander Voloshin from Yeltsin administration paid money to Shamil Basayev to stage this military operation [2] [3] [4] (Basaev reportedly worked for Russian GRU at this time and earlier [5] [6] [7]). In September 4 a series of four Russian apartment bombings began. Three FSB agents were caught while planting a large bomb at the basement of an apartment complex in the town of Ryazan in September 22. That was last of the bombings. Russian Minister of Internal Affairs Rushailo congratulated police with preventing the terrorist act, but FSB Director Nikolai Patrushev had declared that the incident was a training exercise just an hour later, when he had learned that the FSB agents are caught.
Next day, Boris Yeltsin received a demand from 24 Russian governors to transfer all state powers to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, according to Sergei Yushenkov [8] Second Chechen War began in September 24. This war made Prime Minister Vladimir Putin very popular, although he was previously unknown to the public, and helped him to win a landslide victory in the presidential elections in March 26 2000.
That was a successful coup d'état organized by the FSB to bring Vladimir Putin to power, according to former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko, lawmaker Sergei Yushenkov, and journalist David Satter, a Johns Hopkins University and Hoover Institute scholar [9] [8] [10]. All attempts to independently investigate the Russian apartment bombings were unsuccessful. Journalist Artyom Borovik died in a suspicious plane crash. Vice-chairman of Sergei Kovalev commission created to investigate the bombings Sergei Yushenkov was assassinated. Another member of this commission Yuri Shchekochikhin died presumably from poisoning by thallium. Investigator Mikhail Trepashkin hired by relatives of victims was arrested and convicted by Russian authorities for allegedly disclosing state secrets.
"Christmas Gifts" the FSB. FSB works, nor without Humor.FSB trend - distribute each year soft Eight gifts for us. Can we discuss it, perhaps? Antoin de Hoop Zweite ( talk) 15:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
According to former Russian Duma member Konstantin Borovoi, "Putin's appointment is the culmination of the KGB's crusade for power. This is its finale. Now the KGB runs the country." [11] Olga Kryshtanovskaya, director of the Moscow-based Center for the Study of Elites, has found that up to 78% of 1,016 leading political figures in Russia have served previously in organizations affiliated with KGB or FSB [12]. She said: "If in the Soviet period and the first post-Soviet period, the KGB and FSB people were mainly involved in security issues, now half are still involved in security but the other half are involved in business, political parties, NGOs, regional governments, even culture... They started to use all political institutions." [12] "Like cockroaches spreading from a squalid apartment to the rest of the building, they have eventually gained a firm foothold everywhere," said Sergei Grigoryants, a Soviet dissident. [11]
This situation is very similar to that of the former Soviet Union where all key positions in the government were occupied by members of the Communist Party. The KGB or FSB members usually remain in the "acting reserve" even if they formally leave the organization ("acting reserve" members receive second FSB salary, follow FSB instructions, and remain "above the law" being protected by the organization, according to Kryshtanovskaya [13]). As Vladimir Putin said, "There is no such thing as a former KGB man" [14]. GRU defector and writer Victor Suvorov explained that members of Russian security services can leave such organizations only in a coffin, because they know too much. Soon after becoming prime minister of Russia, Putin also claimed that "A group of FSB colleagues dispatched to work undercover in the government has successfully completed its first mission." [11].
The idea about KGB as a political force rather than a security organization has been discussed by journalist John Barron, historian Victor Suvorov, retired KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin [15], and Evgenia Albats, a Harvard graduate and writer on KGB subjects, who was assigned to examine the KGB archives after the failed Soviet coup attempt of 1991. According to Albats, most KGB leaders, including Lavrenty Beria, Yuri Andropov, and Vladimir Kryuchkov, have always struggled for the power with the Communist Party and manipulated the communist leaders. Moreover, FSB has formal membership, military discipline, an extensive network of civilian informants [16], hardcore ideology, and support of population (60% of Russians trust FSB [17]), which makes it a perfect totalitarian political party [18] However the FSB party does not advertise its leading role because the secrecy is an important advantage.
With regard to death of Aleksander Litvinenko, the highest-ranking Soviet Bloc intelligence defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa stated that there is "a band of over 6,000 former officers of the KGB — one of the most criminal organizations in history — who grabbed the most important positions in the federal and local governments, and who are perpetuating Stalin’s, Khrushchev’s, and Brezhnev’s practice of secretly assassinating people who stand in their way." [19]
Would be to complement maybe, possibly the article(item). Something about ehwige <FSB - GRU restate>. Maybe, this is planned in such a way to educate better achievements(performances) of both services. For unconcerned ones this looks funny anyhow. The mutual(reciprocal) denigrations, up to agents remove. Volvo1-BDR-841 ( talk) 16:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Many Russian opposition lawmakers and investigative journalists have been assassinated while investigating corruption and alleged crimes conducted by FSB and state authorities: Sergei Yushenkov, Yuri Shchekochikhin, Galina Starovoitova, Anna Politkovskaya, Alexander Litvinenko, Paul Klebnikov, Nadezhda Chaikova, Nina Yefimova, and many others [1] [20] [21], [16]. Former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky believes that murders of writers Yuri Shchekochikhin (author of "Slaves of KGB" [1]), Anna Politkovskaya, and Aleksander Litvinenko show that FSB has returned to the practice of political assassinations [2] which were conducted in the past by Thirteenth KGB Department. [22] Just before his death, Alexander Litvinenko accused Vladimir Putin of personally ordering the assassination of Anna Politkovskaya.
An increasing number of scientists have been accused of espionage and illegal technology exports by FSB during the last decade: researcher Igor Sutyagin [23], physicist Valentin Danilov [24] , physical chemist Oleg Korobeinichev [25], academician Oskar Kaibyshev [26], and physicist Yury Ryzhov [27]. Some other widely covered cases of political prosecution include investigator Mikhail Trepashkin [28] and journalist Vladimir Rakhmankov [29]. All these people are either under arrest or serve long jail sentences. Human rights groups also identified Mikhail Khodorkovsky as a political prisoner.
Ecologist and journalist Alexander Nikitin, who worked with Bellona Foundation, was accused of espionage. He published material exposing hazards posed by the Russian Navy's nuclear fleet. He was acquitted in 1999 after spending several years in prison (his case was sent for re-investigation 13 times while he remained in prison). Other cases of prosecution are the cases of investigative journalist and ecologist Grigory Pasko [30] [31], Vladimir Petrenko who described danger posed by military chemical warfare stockpiles, and Nikolay Shchur, chairman of the Snezhinskiy Ecological Fund [32]
Other arrested people include Viktor Orekhov, a former KGB officer who assisted Soviet dissidents, Vladimir Kazantsev who disclosed illegal purchases of eavesdropping devices from foreign firms, and Vil Mirzayanov who had written that Russia was working on a nerve gas weapon [32]
Political dissidents from the former Soviet republics, such as Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, are often arrested by FSB and extradited to these countries for prosecution, despite to protests from international human rights organizations. [33] [34] Special services of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaidjan also kidnap people at the Russian territory, with the implicit approval of FSB [35]
There are credible reports that FSB use drugs to erase memory of people who had access to secret information [36]
Use of excessive force by FSB spetsnaz was criticized with regard to resolving Moscow theater hostage crisis and Beslan hostage crisis. According to Sergey Kovalev, Russian government kills its citizens without any hesitation. He provided the following examples: murdering of hostages by the poison gas during Moscow theater hostage crisis; burning school children alive by spetsnaz soldiers who used RPO flamethrowers during Beslan school hostage crisis; crimes committed by death squads in Chechnya [37]; and assassination of Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev [38]. Anna Politkovskaya and Irina Hakamada, who conducted unofficial negotiations with terrorists, stated that the hostage takers were not going to use their bombs to kill the people and destroy the building during Moscow theater hostage crisis [3]. This was supported by the subsequent events when the Chechens did not use their bombs.
It is also possible that FSB has returned to the old NKVD practice of creating puppet rebel forces, as during the Trust Operation, Basmachi Revolt, or operations against the Ukrainian Insurgent Army [39] Former FSB officer Aleksander Litvinenko stated in a June 2003 interview, with the Australian SBS television programme Dateline, that two of the Chechen terrorists involved in the 2002 Moscow theatre hostage crisis — whom he named as "Abdul the Bloody" and "Abu Bakar" — were working for the FSB, and that the agency manipulated the rebels into staging the attack. [40] Litvinenko said: "[w]hen they tried to find [Abdul the Bloody and Abu Bakar] among the dead terrorists, they weren't there. The FSB got its agents out. So the FSB agents among Chechens organised the whole thing on FSB orders, and those agents were released." The story about FSB connections with the hostage takers was confirmed by Mikhail Trepashkin. [41] Yulia Latynina and other journalists also accused FSB of staging many smaller terrorism acts, such as market place bombing in the city of Astrakhan, bus stops bombings in the city of Voronezh, and the blowing up the Moscow- Grozny train [42] [43], whereas innocent people were convicted or killed. Journalist Boris Stomakhin claimed that bombing in Moscow metro in 2004 [44] was probably organized by FSB agents rather than by the unknown man who called to Kavkaz Center and claimed his responsibility [45]. Stomakin was arrested and imprisoned for writing this and other articles. [46]
Many journalists and workers of international NGOs are reported to be kidnapped by FSB-affiliated forces in Chechnya who pretended to be Chechen terrorists: Andrei Babitsky from Radio Free Europe, Arjan Erkel and Kenneth Glack from Doctors Without Borders, and others [47]
According to Anna Politkovskaya, most of the "Islamic terrorism cases" were fabricated by the government, and the confessions have been obtained through the torture of innocent suspects. "The plight of those sentenced for Islamic terrorism today is the same as that of the political prisoners of the Gulag Archipelago... Russia continues to be infected by Stalinism", she said. [48].
Former FSB officer Aleksander Litvinenko accused FSB personnel of involvement in organized crime, such as drug trafficking and contract killings. [49] It was noted that FSB, far from being a reliable instrument in the fight against organized crime, is institutionally a part of the problem, due not only to its co-optation and penetration by criminal elements, but to its own absence of a legal bureaucratic culture and use of crime as an instrument of state policy [50]
FSB collaborates very closely with secret police services from some former Soviet Republics, especially Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan [51] [52] The FSB is accused of working to undermine governments of Baltic states [52] and Georgia [53]. During 2006 Georgian-Russian espionage controversy several Russian GRU officers were accused by Georgian authorities of preparations to commit sabotage and terrorist acts. Historian J. R. Nyquist believes that "The KGB president of Russia wants to reestablish the USSR. Whether America likes it or not, this very fact leads us to a new Cold War." [54]
Chairman of the United Nations Special Commission Richard Butler found than many Russian state-controlled companies are involved in the Oil-for-Food Programme-related fraud. As a part of this affair, former FSB Director Yevgeny Primakov had received large kickbacks from Saddam Hussein according to Butler [4]. KGB, FSB and Russian government had very close relationships with Saddam Hussein and Iraqi Intelligence Service Mukhabarat according to Yossef Bodansky, the Director of Research of the International Strategic Studies Association.
Не, а что вы <Gial.be> пугаете? Ето же наши ЦРУ&ФСБ. Ну генерал прокурор заинвестировал пару евро. Ну, сколько заинвестировал столько и отдадут. Riverun2 ( talk) 12:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Pleas explain your deletions of links. Thanks, Biophys ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Some of them are important books about FSB. Others are reviews, and not all of them were cited. Having such links is helpful for a reader. Biophys ( talk) 20:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
About healthy competitors between great powers. Suppose a healthy FSB - GRU between competitors is not always bad. In the case of certain Kalashnikov - merchants from France FSB has jumped in time to help. This <Al Asa> wanted to elliminieren whole Procouroutour de Roi! Or? From other side, but also sometimes to exaggerate. Just as with a drug courier (e.g.). Exestieren but ordinary means. Yes, and. Look what came of it, the 18-s in Sirya. Belgian soldiers want to come but also dalan major help. Or? Here it must be said, previous FSB regional Shef worked more smoothly, so do intiligent. Via Chevalier's of place, always took advantage of "gloves", jugoslavenische, Hebrew. So, what miemand noticed. Yes. Transported by this stat waschington. Or ? Fergfzrgfz ( talk) 20:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Article assessed as start class for military history. The Military History project does not use the C class at this time. -- dashiellx ( talk) 11:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
On the eve of New Year gifts. It makes sense to make the web beautiful with the link to the FSB's umbrella organizations. Recipient will know where to turn to.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium
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... Weinachtsmann2 ( talk) 19:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
The Cheka was first organization in the FSB history. Beginning of the FSB is 1917 year, December 20 (other history does not exist in the nature). - Mros4554 ( talk) 00:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC).
I think this article is overfocusing on the various conspiracy theories about FSB. We should concentrate mainly on describing the organization - on factual, uncontroversial information. Currently the article tries to advance the theory "Russia is an evil FSB-controlled totalitarian state" in almost every chapter. The material comes from a few conspiracy theory books, such as the one by Litvinenko and Felshtinsky (both are associates of the anti-Kremlin oligarch Berezovsky, and the books and documentaries are financed by him.) But the book is not really an academic source, so we should over overrely on it. I agree that the conspiracy theories should be discussed, but currently we are giving them too much space in relation to other things. Offliner ( talk) 03:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
eg User <Vituzzu>.which is a, possibly, interesting completion 195.244.180.59 ( talk) 13:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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It is often asserted that the FSB is the KGB in a new guise. I think this issue should be dealt with in this article. The KGB page deals with this ambiguously by talking about 'function'. We know the broad 'function' is the same, but how different is the FSB from the KGB? Is it a different organisation covering the same role (state security) or the same organisation with a few cosmetic changes?-- Jack Upland 01:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
In all truth FSB really is the KGB in a new guise. Much of the leadership is the KGB from the cold war era, of course this is starting to change since even Russians must retire from their posts at some point in time. The KGB was essentially the CIA and the FBI mashed into one Russian version. It was the secret police of the people in power, and took care of placing agents in other countries. In the new Russia that task is now split between FSB and SVR. The operations run by these to agencies are extremely sized back, but they both serve the same purpose that the KGB aimed for.
Hockeyref73 (
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06:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
The article has several mistakes. The FAPSI was reorginized to the FSO (Федеральная Служба Охраны, something like Federal Guard Service). President's regiment is also part of the FSO, not the FSB. Only small part of FAPSI was included in FSB - for example, Communications Security Center.
Also in the FSB exists uniformed personnel (by the way FSB and FSO have similiar blue-black uniform) and civilian personnel (secretaries, consultants, technicians, cleaners and scientific and technical workers). I think that 300000 is not uniformed personnel number, but FSB total quantity-- Вантус ( talk) 23:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
FYI (don't quote me) Talkshow host Rush Limbaugh just said, "Vladimir Putin patiently awaits Obama being reelected. He was sworn in for a third term in Russia. >>> This means that Russia has a leader to the right of France. (That was joking, but true.) Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 16:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the lede, "According to the federal law, the FSB is considered a military service just like the Armed Forces, MVD Internal Troops, FSO, SVR, FSKN and EMERCOM's civil defence." was removed without explanation. I do not see a clear statement in the article body, so I have not reverted the removal. If the paragraph is correct, that should be stated somewhere in the article body with a reference. Is it correct? -- Yngvadottir ( talk) 13:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
But as a whole the article is really bad. I think it should be better to scrap it whole and replace with few sentences of driest content possible, at least there won't be an overwhelming barrage of propaganda and disinformation there this way (I removed some, but I couldn't even bring myself to really read this tripe). -- Niemti ( talk) 19:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move. As "Federal Security Service" already redirects here, so disambiguation is unnecessary. Cúchullain t/ c 19:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Federal Security Service (Russia) →
Federal Security Service –
Seems to be written by the FSB staffers. Someone needs to properly rewrite it, around the central role that the organization (the Cheka) plays in the Russian state and society today, including all branches of the government and the businees. And just a proper history, year by year, instead of three separate sections with "terrorism" in their titles.
On a related note, I just finished rewriting with Alpha Group (from this sorry article talking about "western bias" and what not).
Also, the article was just plain shitty enough to have stuff like " Alexandru koczynski , since 12 May 2008 Federal Security Service Prezident protected" in the list of directors. So no, it's probably not written by the FSB "information" staff officers. Maybe just by semi-literate Nashists or something. -- Niemti ( talk) 17:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
And just how to erase this bizarre "Civilian agency" from the infobox? Of course they're siloviki, not a "civilian agency". The whole article should be scrapped and written completely anew. More in the style of Littel's The Security Organs of the Russian Federation. A Brief History 1991-2004, which is so much more encyclopedic than this "encyclopedia article". -- Niemti ( talk) 17:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Starting from 1998, people from state security services came to power as Prime Ministers of Russia: a KGB veteran Yevgeny Primakov; former FSB Director Sergei Stepashin; and finally former FSB Director Vladimir Putin who was appointed in August 8 1999.
In August 7, Shamil Basaev began incursion to Dagestan which was regarded by Anna Politkovskaya as a provocation intitiated from Moscow to start war in Chechnya, because Russian forces provided safe passage for Islamic fighters back to Chechnya [1]. It was reported that Aleksander Voloshin from Yeltsin administration paid money to Shamil Basayev to stage this military operation [2] [3] [4] (Basaev reportedly worked for Russian GRU at this time and earlier [5] [6] [7]). In September 4 a series of four Russian apartment bombings began. Three FSB agents were caught while planting a large bomb at the basement of an apartment complex in the town of Ryazan in September 22. That was last of the bombings. Russian Minister of Internal Affairs Rushailo congratulated police with preventing the terrorist act, but FSB Director Nikolai Patrushev had declared that the incident was a training exercise just an hour later, when he had learned that the FSB agents are caught.
Next day, Boris Yeltsin received a demand from 24 Russian governors to transfer all state powers to Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, according to Sergei Yushenkov [8] Second Chechen War began in September 24. This war made Prime Minister Vladimir Putin very popular, although he was previously unknown to the public, and helped him to win a landslide victory in the presidential elections in March 26 2000.
That was a successful coup d'état organized by the FSB to bring Vladimir Putin to power, according to former FSB officer Alexander Litvinenko, lawmaker Sergei Yushenkov, and journalist David Satter, a Johns Hopkins University and Hoover Institute scholar [9] [8] [10]. All attempts to independently investigate the Russian apartment bombings were unsuccessful. Journalist Artyom Borovik died in a suspicious plane crash. Vice-chairman of Sergei Kovalev commission created to investigate the bombings Sergei Yushenkov was assassinated. Another member of this commission Yuri Shchekochikhin died presumably from poisoning by thallium. Investigator Mikhail Trepashkin hired by relatives of victims was arrested and convicted by Russian authorities for allegedly disclosing state secrets.
"Christmas Gifts" the FSB. FSB works, nor without Humor.FSB trend - distribute each year soft Eight gifts for us. Can we discuss it, perhaps? Antoin de Hoop Zweite ( talk) 15:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
According to former Russian Duma member Konstantin Borovoi, "Putin's appointment is the culmination of the KGB's crusade for power. This is its finale. Now the KGB runs the country." [11] Olga Kryshtanovskaya, director of the Moscow-based Center for the Study of Elites, has found that up to 78% of 1,016 leading political figures in Russia have served previously in organizations affiliated with KGB or FSB [12]. She said: "If in the Soviet period and the first post-Soviet period, the KGB and FSB people were mainly involved in security issues, now half are still involved in security but the other half are involved in business, political parties, NGOs, regional governments, even culture... They started to use all political institutions." [12] "Like cockroaches spreading from a squalid apartment to the rest of the building, they have eventually gained a firm foothold everywhere," said Sergei Grigoryants, a Soviet dissident. [11]
This situation is very similar to that of the former Soviet Union where all key positions in the government were occupied by members of the Communist Party. The KGB or FSB members usually remain in the "acting reserve" even if they formally leave the organization ("acting reserve" members receive second FSB salary, follow FSB instructions, and remain "above the law" being protected by the organization, according to Kryshtanovskaya [13]). As Vladimir Putin said, "There is no such thing as a former KGB man" [14]. GRU defector and writer Victor Suvorov explained that members of Russian security services can leave such organizations only in a coffin, because they know too much. Soon after becoming prime minister of Russia, Putin also claimed that "A group of FSB colleagues dispatched to work undercover in the government has successfully completed its first mission." [11].
The idea about KGB as a political force rather than a security organization has been discussed by journalist John Barron, historian Victor Suvorov, retired KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin [15], and Evgenia Albats, a Harvard graduate and writer on KGB subjects, who was assigned to examine the KGB archives after the failed Soviet coup attempt of 1991. According to Albats, most KGB leaders, including Lavrenty Beria, Yuri Andropov, and Vladimir Kryuchkov, have always struggled for the power with the Communist Party and manipulated the communist leaders. Moreover, FSB has formal membership, military discipline, an extensive network of civilian informants [16], hardcore ideology, and support of population (60% of Russians trust FSB [17]), which makes it a perfect totalitarian political party [18] However the FSB party does not advertise its leading role because the secrecy is an important advantage.
With regard to death of Aleksander Litvinenko, the highest-ranking Soviet Bloc intelligence defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa stated that there is "a band of over 6,000 former officers of the KGB — one of the most criminal organizations in history — who grabbed the most important positions in the federal and local governments, and who are perpetuating Stalin’s, Khrushchev’s, and Brezhnev’s practice of secretly assassinating people who stand in their way." [19]
Would be to complement maybe, possibly the article(item). Something about ehwige <FSB - GRU restate>. Maybe, this is planned in such a way to educate better achievements(performances) of both services. For unconcerned ones this looks funny anyhow. The mutual(reciprocal) denigrations, up to agents remove. Volvo1-BDR-841 ( talk) 16:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
Many Russian opposition lawmakers and investigative journalists have been assassinated while investigating corruption and alleged crimes conducted by FSB and state authorities: Sergei Yushenkov, Yuri Shchekochikhin, Galina Starovoitova, Anna Politkovskaya, Alexander Litvinenko, Paul Klebnikov, Nadezhda Chaikova, Nina Yefimova, and many others [1] [20] [21], [16]. Former KGB officer Oleg Gordievsky believes that murders of writers Yuri Shchekochikhin (author of "Slaves of KGB" [1]), Anna Politkovskaya, and Aleksander Litvinenko show that FSB has returned to the practice of political assassinations [2] which were conducted in the past by Thirteenth KGB Department. [22] Just before his death, Alexander Litvinenko accused Vladimir Putin of personally ordering the assassination of Anna Politkovskaya.
An increasing number of scientists have been accused of espionage and illegal technology exports by FSB during the last decade: researcher Igor Sutyagin [23], physicist Valentin Danilov [24] , physical chemist Oleg Korobeinichev [25], academician Oskar Kaibyshev [26], and physicist Yury Ryzhov [27]. Some other widely covered cases of political prosecution include investigator Mikhail Trepashkin [28] and journalist Vladimir Rakhmankov [29]. All these people are either under arrest or serve long jail sentences. Human rights groups also identified Mikhail Khodorkovsky as a political prisoner.
Ecologist and journalist Alexander Nikitin, who worked with Bellona Foundation, was accused of espionage. He published material exposing hazards posed by the Russian Navy's nuclear fleet. He was acquitted in 1999 after spending several years in prison (his case was sent for re-investigation 13 times while he remained in prison). Other cases of prosecution are the cases of investigative journalist and ecologist Grigory Pasko [30] [31], Vladimir Petrenko who described danger posed by military chemical warfare stockpiles, and Nikolay Shchur, chairman of the Snezhinskiy Ecological Fund [32]
Other arrested people include Viktor Orekhov, a former KGB officer who assisted Soviet dissidents, Vladimir Kazantsev who disclosed illegal purchases of eavesdropping devices from foreign firms, and Vil Mirzayanov who had written that Russia was working on a nerve gas weapon [32]
Political dissidents from the former Soviet republics, such as Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, are often arrested by FSB and extradited to these countries for prosecution, despite to protests from international human rights organizations. [33] [34] Special services of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaidjan also kidnap people at the Russian territory, with the implicit approval of FSB [35]
There are credible reports that FSB use drugs to erase memory of people who had access to secret information [36]
Use of excessive force by FSB spetsnaz was criticized with regard to resolving Moscow theater hostage crisis and Beslan hostage crisis. According to Sergey Kovalev, Russian government kills its citizens without any hesitation. He provided the following examples: murdering of hostages by the poison gas during Moscow theater hostage crisis; burning school children alive by spetsnaz soldiers who used RPO flamethrowers during Beslan school hostage crisis; crimes committed by death squads in Chechnya [37]; and assassination of Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev [38]. Anna Politkovskaya and Irina Hakamada, who conducted unofficial negotiations with terrorists, stated that the hostage takers were not going to use their bombs to kill the people and destroy the building during Moscow theater hostage crisis [3]. This was supported by the subsequent events when the Chechens did not use their bombs.
It is also possible that FSB has returned to the old NKVD practice of creating puppet rebel forces, as during the Trust Operation, Basmachi Revolt, or operations against the Ukrainian Insurgent Army [39] Former FSB officer Aleksander Litvinenko stated in a June 2003 interview, with the Australian SBS television programme Dateline, that two of the Chechen terrorists involved in the 2002 Moscow theatre hostage crisis — whom he named as "Abdul the Bloody" and "Abu Bakar" — were working for the FSB, and that the agency manipulated the rebels into staging the attack. [40] Litvinenko said: "[w]hen they tried to find [Abdul the Bloody and Abu Bakar] among the dead terrorists, they weren't there. The FSB got its agents out. So the FSB agents among Chechens organised the whole thing on FSB orders, and those agents were released." The story about FSB connections with the hostage takers was confirmed by Mikhail Trepashkin. [41] Yulia Latynina and other journalists also accused FSB of staging many smaller terrorism acts, such as market place bombing in the city of Astrakhan, bus stops bombings in the city of Voronezh, and the blowing up the Moscow- Grozny train [42] [43], whereas innocent people were convicted or killed. Journalist Boris Stomakhin claimed that bombing in Moscow metro in 2004 [44] was probably organized by FSB agents rather than by the unknown man who called to Kavkaz Center and claimed his responsibility [45]. Stomakin was arrested and imprisoned for writing this and other articles. [46]
Many journalists and workers of international NGOs are reported to be kidnapped by FSB-affiliated forces in Chechnya who pretended to be Chechen terrorists: Andrei Babitsky from Radio Free Europe, Arjan Erkel and Kenneth Glack from Doctors Without Borders, and others [47]
According to Anna Politkovskaya, most of the "Islamic terrorism cases" were fabricated by the government, and the confessions have been obtained through the torture of innocent suspects. "The plight of those sentenced for Islamic terrorism today is the same as that of the political prisoners of the Gulag Archipelago... Russia continues to be infected by Stalinism", she said. [48].
Former FSB officer Aleksander Litvinenko accused FSB personnel of involvement in organized crime, such as drug trafficking and contract killings. [49] It was noted that FSB, far from being a reliable instrument in the fight against organized crime, is institutionally a part of the problem, due not only to its co-optation and penetration by criminal elements, but to its own absence of a legal bureaucratic culture and use of crime as an instrument of state policy [50]
FSB collaborates very closely with secret police services from some former Soviet Republics, especially Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan [51] [52] The FSB is accused of working to undermine governments of Baltic states [52] and Georgia [53]. During 2006 Georgian-Russian espionage controversy several Russian GRU officers were accused by Georgian authorities of preparations to commit sabotage and terrorist acts. Historian J. R. Nyquist believes that "The KGB president of Russia wants to reestablish the USSR. Whether America likes it or not, this very fact leads us to a new Cold War." [54]
Chairman of the United Nations Special Commission Richard Butler found than many Russian state-controlled companies are involved in the Oil-for-Food Programme-related fraud. As a part of this affair, former FSB Director Yevgeny Primakov had received large kickbacks from Saddam Hussein according to Butler [4]. KGB, FSB and Russian government had very close relationships with Saddam Hussein and Iraqi Intelligence Service Mukhabarat according to Yossef Bodansky, the Director of Research of the International Strategic Studies Association.
Не, а что вы <Gial.be> пугаете? Ето же наши ЦРУ&ФСБ. Ну генерал прокурор заинвестировал пару евро. Ну, сколько заинвестировал столько и отдадут. Riverun2 ( talk) 12:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Pleas explain your deletions of links. Thanks, Biophys ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Some of them are important books about FSB. Others are reviews, and not all of them were cited. Having such links is helpful for a reader. Biophys ( talk) 20:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
About healthy competitors between great powers. Suppose a healthy FSB - GRU between competitors is not always bad. In the case of certain Kalashnikov - merchants from France FSB has jumped in time to help. This <Al Asa> wanted to elliminieren whole Procouroutour de Roi! Or? From other side, but also sometimes to exaggerate. Just as with a drug courier (e.g.). Exestieren but ordinary means. Yes, and. Look what came of it, the 18-s in Sirya. Belgian soldiers want to come but also dalan major help. Or? Here it must be said, previous FSB regional Shef worked more smoothly, so do intiligent. Via Chevalier's of place, always took advantage of "gloves", jugoslavenische, Hebrew. So, what miemand noticed. Yes. Transported by this stat waschington. Or ? Fergfzrgfz ( talk) 20:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Article assessed as start class for military history. The Military History project does not use the C class at this time. -- dashiellx ( talk) 11:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
On the eve of New Year gifts. It makes sense to make the web beautiful with the link to the FSB's umbrella organizations. Recipient will know where to turn to.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium
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... Weinachtsmann2 ( talk) 19:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
The Cheka was first organization in the FSB history. Beginning of the FSB is 1917 year, December 20 (other history does not exist in the nature). - Mros4554 ( talk) 00:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC).
I think this article is overfocusing on the various conspiracy theories about FSB. We should concentrate mainly on describing the organization - on factual, uncontroversial information. Currently the article tries to advance the theory "Russia is an evil FSB-controlled totalitarian state" in almost every chapter. The material comes from a few conspiracy theory books, such as the one by Litvinenko and Felshtinsky (both are associates of the anti-Kremlin oligarch Berezovsky, and the books and documentaries are financed by him.) But the book is not really an academic source, so we should over overrely on it. I agree that the conspiracy theories should be discussed, but currently we are giving them too much space in relation to other things. Offliner ( talk) 03:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
eg User <Vituzzu>.which is a, possibly, interesting completion 195.244.180.59 ( talk) 13:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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