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"high explosive developed with the use of nanotechnology". All hail our new Russian nanowarriors. Give me a break. "ultrasonic shockwave". FYI: "ultrasonic" means "sound with frequency higher that humans can hear (somewhere >20kHz)". Shock waves are supersonic (travel faster than sound), not ultrasonic.
IMHO, this was a political stunt aimed to woo neo-Russian nationalism. 62.40.79.66 ( talk) 11:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Ultrasonics may be a mistake, but nanotechnology was present as in any thermobaric munition: aluminium powder is milled to about 50nm, small enough to call it 'nano'. And 'nano' is the new fashion trend in Russia.
How is that 'nano' tech, the way the article is written could make it sound like the interior of the bomb is constructed by nanites, a technology decades if not centuries away. Milling aluminium powder is not new tech at all, it's used for thermite if I'm correct, yes? 207.233.27.2 ( talk) 21:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
The whole legitimacy section is slated, quoted DoD officials instead of independent researchers. DoD is not to be trusted regarding russian military power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.67.212 ( talk) 11:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the "nanotechnology" in question is an unusually thin layer/coating on the outside of the aluminum powder particles, that has allowed the milling of the powder to much smaller particle sizes without the problem of their corrosion or self-activation. While seemingly trivial, the process of making nanodots isn't much more complex.. Zaphraud ( talk) 18:55, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Source 7 is very tabloid and imprecise. Not a good sourcd fir an encyclopedia. It says FOAB is loaded with 44 tons of TNT etc.. Elias ( talk) 09:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Are there any indications that there are other more powerful but not-publicly-known non-nuclear bombs? If not, the "publicly-known" is redundant. Sijo Ripa 14:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
What about this: U.S. develops 14-ton super bomb, bigger than Russian vacuum bomb? Dated October 13. V8Cougar 15:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
"However, bombs such as this do have yields equal to or superior to smaller nuclear weapons, such as the M-388 Davy Crockett, which has a maximum yield equivalent to 20 tons of TNT."
According to the M-388 Davy Crockett article, 10-20 tons is the minimum yield, not the maximum for that weapon. The max is 500 tons (0.5 kilotons), which is much bigger than this Russian bomb. -- Howdybob 15:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but thats still nuclear isnt it so it doesnt count. -- Climax-Void Chat or My Contributions
What I thought is that the majority of nuclear weapon yield is in the form of fast neutron, damage environment, biological cell, electrical equipment, huge range, extremely short duration. For conventional bomb, it is mostly in blast shock and heat form, damage is much more localize with greater effect on infrastructure than nuclear weapon of the same yield —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hereiam3 ( talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Is this thing on youtube yet? They had the footage on the news, a bit weeny compared to the ending montage on Dr Strangelove, heheh. Comradeash 10:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone discussed other uses of this "highly efficient" explosive (five times better than TNT)? I'd like to see whether you can adapt the technology for the space program or perhaps even for use in low-weight storage batteries. Does anyone have a guess what it is? Wnt ( talk) 16:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Contrary to TNT, the fuel in thermobaric weapons id mixed with oxygen from the surrounding air before it can make a blast. In space, there is no surrounding oxygen. Elias ( talk) 07:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Surely the yield of the weapons must be in kilotons, not tons? The Hiroshima bomb was over 10 kilotons... Causantin ( talk) 09:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please take the time to more accurately detail how this bomb functions? Specifically, how does nanotechnology help this bomb achieve what no others have? Daniel Musto ( talk) 13:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
"That and the only other source of into is Russian propaganda." - What do you consider non-Russian propaganda then? Do you consider everything the US military reports as American propaganda, and only listen to what Russian media says about it? There will only ever be one single primary source for military developments, and that's the military. And lets not forget that the Soviet Union is no more.
"Given that the Russians fairly obviously lied about one capability for the weapon ("bomber launched" when it's obviously a sled-based device from a rear exit)" - How is this obvious? What proof do you have that they lied? You can believe the claims in wired if you want, but whether you do or not shouldn't make a difference in what goes into this article. That's no different than watching one of those 9/11 conspiracy videos and saying "Oh it's obvious that the buildings were detonated, look at the way the buildings collapsed"..you can even find many "experts" who agree. Yet most people with common sense know how convincing conspiracies which are based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence can be, even without ever presenting any solid proof. We can only present this as what it is - speculation by a few individuals - not factual, and not a widespread belief.
"Add on the long history of Russian exaggeration for weapon systems (see MIG-31, see the original Russian H-bomb test, see Bulova missile, etc...)" - Everyone exaggerates their capabilities, don't think America is an exception. Again, it's up to you whether you believe the "American propaganda" or the "real truth - Russian media", we shouldn't really be arguing about who's right and who's wrong, it's impossible to know and there are two viable sides to an argument that can't be won. LokiiT ( talk) 16:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Added a bit on the MOAB accuracy compared to the FOAB. Aseidave ( talk) 19:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I noted that this quotation in the article;
References a difference between Fuel-Air weapons and Thermobaric weapons and suggests that this would be relevant to the FOAB's capabilities, each type of weapon is wikilinked to their respective article. However, Fuel-Air bomb is a redirect to the Thermobaric weapon page, and the latter page explicitly states that a Fuel-Air bomb is simply another name for a thermobaric weapon. So there's a bit of a contradiction there, I don't have a thorough enough knowledge of the subject to clear it up, but it's a bit of a glaring problem either with the quote in question or the Thermobaric weapon article. 99.241.175.121 ( talk) 05:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
From
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/09/thermobarics-dr.html
So although fuel-air explosives are extremely effective at destroying buildings (particularly from the inside), they're not so useful against other targets. Thermobaric explosives or TBX lie somewhere between pure fuel-air and condensed explosives. A thermobaric explosive can be solid but 'fuel rich', for example such a mix of regular explosive with powdered aluminum or similar material. When it is set off, the thermobaric explosive produces an expanding fireball, with the leading edge containing white-hot aluminum particles which add to the explosive effect as they come into contact with the air and burn.
Djma12 (
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I don't know enough about these contraptions to make corrections either, but the contradictory statements between this article and the
Thermobaric weapons/
fuel-air bombs article still persist ('fuel-air bomb' redirects to 'thermobaric weapon'). According to the thermobaric weapon page, a fuel-air bomb is a form of thermobaric weapon.
I note LokiiT's point that 'Wikipedia isn't required to be factually correct, only supported by reliable sources', but it seems specious in this situation. Where we are aware of glaring inconsistencies in WKP entries it is surely best for editors to take action. Perhaps there is enough technological progress and analysis available by now to solve the apparent contradiction now without introducing original research. Centrepull ( talk) 12:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
While FAE redirects to Thermobaric weapon, it seems FAE is only a subclass. Thermobaric weapons have in common that they use oxygen from the environment, but may differ regarding the form of fuel (powder, fluid or compressed gas, or even a solid block?),æ the ignition mechanism (tandem-charge disperse-ignite or continuously expanding fire frontier), mixing of oxidizers or high-explosives in the fuel, etc.. Elias ( talk) 07:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
PS: Not being required to be factually correct is an excuse for occasionally being factually wrong despite following the good principle of citing reliable sources. But I am pretty sure a source can no longer be considered reliable if it has been shown to state falsehood as truth. Once falsehood has been found in Wikipedia, it ought to be weeded out. Elias ( talk) 08:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Fuel-air-explosives (FAE) are low explosives or fuels. They "combust" and release the wanted energy through rapid oxidation of a fuel, mush like the gasoline in your car. RDX, TNT, etc., are high explosives. They "detonate" and release energy through the rapid decomposition of molecular chains (nitrate chains are known to be particularly energetic, the "N" in TNT for example). Detonation and combustion are not related! Combustion is the energetic combining of a fuel with an oxidizer; detonation is the breaking apart of a molecule. THAT MEANS high explosives do NOT carry their own oxidizers! The advantage of an FAE lies in the very high energy density of many fuels. Gasoline has more energy then TNT. Hard to believe, I know, but it's true. The difference is, TNT releases what energy it has waaaaay faster. So, can you make an FAE that's more powerful then the same amount of high explosives? No, the release rate greatly favors the high explosive, but the FAE could release significantly more energy (over a longer period of time) and do more damage to certain types of targets while doing so. So, can the FOAB concievably be more destructive then the MOAB? Sure, but it depends on the hardness of the target. Regardless, it's not more destructive then MOAB because the MOAB has to "carry its own oxidizers". Detonation is not combustion! Nwilde ( talk) 23:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes but the shockwave still propagates through the fuel cloud at supersonic velocities. The cloud will sustain the velocity of the wave used to initiate the combustion. The bomb isn't just spreading around some gas and lighting it on fire, its much more controlled and deadly than that - one might say it is a 'detonating cumbuston' as opposed to a 'deflagrating cumbustion.' -- Nebarnix ( talk) 23:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
It's hard to make comparisons to MOAB because the Russian device seems to be created only to showcase a better explosive (larger explosion for less weight), rather than to 1up America on an actual bomb. This is why the FOAB will not be entering production, the explosive used to make it will probably be copied over to RPG32 thermobaric warheads, Smerch thermobaric rockets etc 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 06:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
-they already produced 100 of these-- Crossswords ( talk) 07:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I am a little surprised that a bomb carrying 7000 kgf of explosives weighs only 7100 kgf. MOAB has 8500 kgf of explosive and weighs 10300 kgf. Greglocock ( talk) 22:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
The article simply says 'about seven tons' - which could well be taken to mean short tons (about 6,300kg) which would sound roughly correct. Jellyfish dave ( talk) 13:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
OR, much more likely, its just a BS claim, why would the Russians be using short tons, which is an American Imperial measurement? This whole little incident from 12 years ago is pretty farcical, just a bit of propaganda with no follow-up and no verification; no pictures of the bomb, bomber, etc. Just a picture of a bomber flying, a bomb falling (at distance) and an explosion (at distance) followed by a number of bold claims. LikkerdySplit ( talk) 02:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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According to the table, FOAB achieves twice the blast radius of MOAB with four times the TNT equivalent. This would not add up if both blasts were spherical, as the volume of displaced air scales roughly linearly with the amount of energy released. It may be possible to increase the blast radius on the ground by shaping the charges and the shell to produce a flatter fireball, ideally more like a "firedisk". Indeed, FOAB would have to succeed better than MOAB on this to achieve such a huge blast radius. This seems like a relevant aspect to sniff out some sources on.
Another possibility is that the blast radii are specified according to different criteria. The blast radius article is very thin, hinting that the concept may not be well-defined.
A third possibility is that some of the specifications are mere propaganda. Elias ( talk) 08:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy in wikipedia. This article says: He questions if it was what some experts call a fuel-air explosive or if it was a thermobaric weapon. "Fuel-air and thermobaric bombs differ in usefulness".
Wikipedia say that fuel-air is the most common thermobaric. Can someone verify what was actually written in the source? Either this article or "
Thermobaric weapon" must be fixed. -
Altenmann
>talk
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That author and the source do not add any clarity- sorry, I was not sufficiently clear. I was asking about the source cited in our article. And cannot fix the quotation (if possible), because the source in Wired requires subscription. - Altenmann >talk 20:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
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"high explosive developed with the use of nanotechnology". All hail our new Russian nanowarriors. Give me a break. "ultrasonic shockwave". FYI: "ultrasonic" means "sound with frequency higher that humans can hear (somewhere >20kHz)". Shock waves are supersonic (travel faster than sound), not ultrasonic.
IMHO, this was a political stunt aimed to woo neo-Russian nationalism. 62.40.79.66 ( talk) 11:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Ultrasonics may be a mistake, but nanotechnology was present as in any thermobaric munition: aluminium powder is milled to about 50nm, small enough to call it 'nano'. And 'nano' is the new fashion trend in Russia.
How is that 'nano' tech, the way the article is written could make it sound like the interior of the bomb is constructed by nanites, a technology decades if not centuries away. Milling aluminium powder is not new tech at all, it's used for thermite if I'm correct, yes? 207.233.27.2 ( talk) 21:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
The whole legitimacy section is slated, quoted DoD officials instead of independent researchers. DoD is not to be trusted regarding russian military power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.67.212 ( talk) 11:03, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the "nanotechnology" in question is an unusually thin layer/coating on the outside of the aluminum powder particles, that has allowed the milling of the powder to much smaller particle sizes without the problem of their corrosion or self-activation. While seemingly trivial, the process of making nanodots isn't much more complex.. Zaphraud ( talk) 18:55, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Source 7 is very tabloid and imprecise. Not a good sourcd fir an encyclopedia. It says FOAB is loaded with 44 tons of TNT etc.. Elias ( talk) 09:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Are there any indications that there are other more powerful but not-publicly-known non-nuclear bombs? If not, the "publicly-known" is redundant. Sijo Ripa 14:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
What about this: U.S. develops 14-ton super bomb, bigger than Russian vacuum bomb? Dated October 13. V8Cougar 15:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
"However, bombs such as this do have yields equal to or superior to smaller nuclear weapons, such as the M-388 Davy Crockett, which has a maximum yield equivalent to 20 tons of TNT."
According to the M-388 Davy Crockett article, 10-20 tons is the minimum yield, not the maximum for that weapon. The max is 500 tons (0.5 kilotons), which is much bigger than this Russian bomb. -- Howdybob 15:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but thats still nuclear isnt it so it doesnt count. -- Climax-Void Chat or My Contributions
What I thought is that the majority of nuclear weapon yield is in the form of fast neutron, damage environment, biological cell, electrical equipment, huge range, extremely short duration. For conventional bomb, it is mostly in blast shock and heat form, damage is much more localize with greater effect on infrastructure than nuclear weapon of the same yield —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hereiam3 ( talk • contribs) 16:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Is this thing on youtube yet? They had the footage on the news, a bit weeny compared to the ending montage on Dr Strangelove, heheh. Comradeash 10:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone discussed other uses of this "highly efficient" explosive (five times better than TNT)? I'd like to see whether you can adapt the technology for the space program or perhaps even for use in low-weight storage batteries. Does anyone have a guess what it is? Wnt ( talk) 16:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Contrary to TNT, the fuel in thermobaric weapons id mixed with oxygen from the surrounding air before it can make a blast. In space, there is no surrounding oxygen. Elias ( talk) 07:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Surely the yield of the weapons must be in kilotons, not tons? The Hiroshima bomb was over 10 kilotons... Causantin ( talk) 09:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please take the time to more accurately detail how this bomb functions? Specifically, how does nanotechnology help this bomb achieve what no others have? Daniel Musto ( talk) 13:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
"That and the only other source of into is Russian propaganda." - What do you consider non-Russian propaganda then? Do you consider everything the US military reports as American propaganda, and only listen to what Russian media says about it? There will only ever be one single primary source for military developments, and that's the military. And lets not forget that the Soviet Union is no more.
"Given that the Russians fairly obviously lied about one capability for the weapon ("bomber launched" when it's obviously a sled-based device from a rear exit)" - How is this obvious? What proof do you have that they lied? You can believe the claims in wired if you want, but whether you do or not shouldn't make a difference in what goes into this article. That's no different than watching one of those 9/11 conspiracy videos and saying "Oh it's obvious that the buildings were detonated, look at the way the buildings collapsed"..you can even find many "experts" who agree. Yet most people with common sense know how convincing conspiracies which are based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence can be, even without ever presenting any solid proof. We can only present this as what it is - speculation by a few individuals - not factual, and not a widespread belief.
"Add on the long history of Russian exaggeration for weapon systems (see MIG-31, see the original Russian H-bomb test, see Bulova missile, etc...)" - Everyone exaggerates their capabilities, don't think America is an exception. Again, it's up to you whether you believe the "American propaganda" or the "real truth - Russian media", we shouldn't really be arguing about who's right and who's wrong, it's impossible to know and there are two viable sides to an argument that can't be won. LokiiT ( talk) 16:13, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Added a bit on the MOAB accuracy compared to the FOAB. Aseidave ( talk) 19:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I noted that this quotation in the article;
References a difference between Fuel-Air weapons and Thermobaric weapons and suggests that this would be relevant to the FOAB's capabilities, each type of weapon is wikilinked to their respective article. However, Fuel-Air bomb is a redirect to the Thermobaric weapon page, and the latter page explicitly states that a Fuel-Air bomb is simply another name for a thermobaric weapon. So there's a bit of a contradiction there, I don't have a thorough enough knowledge of the subject to clear it up, but it's a bit of a glaring problem either with the quote in question or the Thermobaric weapon article. 99.241.175.121 ( talk) 05:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
From
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/09/thermobarics-dr.html
So although fuel-air explosives are extremely effective at destroying buildings (particularly from the inside), they're not so useful against other targets. Thermobaric explosives or TBX lie somewhere between pure fuel-air and condensed explosives. A thermobaric explosive can be solid but 'fuel rich', for example such a mix of regular explosive with powdered aluminum or similar material. When it is set off, the thermobaric explosive produces an expanding fireball, with the leading edge containing white-hot aluminum particles which add to the explosive effect as they come into contact with the air and burn.
Djma12 (
talk)
14:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't know enough about these contraptions to make corrections either, but the contradictory statements between this article and the
Thermobaric weapons/
fuel-air bombs article still persist ('fuel-air bomb' redirects to 'thermobaric weapon'). According to the thermobaric weapon page, a fuel-air bomb is a form of thermobaric weapon.
I note LokiiT's point that 'Wikipedia isn't required to be factually correct, only supported by reliable sources', but it seems specious in this situation. Where we are aware of glaring inconsistencies in WKP entries it is surely best for editors to take action. Perhaps there is enough technological progress and analysis available by now to solve the apparent contradiction now without introducing original research. Centrepull ( talk) 12:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
While FAE redirects to Thermobaric weapon, it seems FAE is only a subclass. Thermobaric weapons have in common that they use oxygen from the environment, but may differ regarding the form of fuel (powder, fluid or compressed gas, or even a solid block?),æ the ignition mechanism (tandem-charge disperse-ignite or continuously expanding fire frontier), mixing of oxidizers or high-explosives in the fuel, etc.. Elias ( talk) 07:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
PS: Not being required to be factually correct is an excuse for occasionally being factually wrong despite following the good principle of citing reliable sources. But I am pretty sure a source can no longer be considered reliable if it has been shown to state falsehood as truth. Once falsehood has been found in Wikipedia, it ought to be weeded out. Elias ( talk) 08:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Fuel-air-explosives (FAE) are low explosives or fuels. They "combust" and release the wanted energy through rapid oxidation of a fuel, mush like the gasoline in your car. RDX, TNT, etc., are high explosives. They "detonate" and release energy through the rapid decomposition of molecular chains (nitrate chains are known to be particularly energetic, the "N" in TNT for example). Detonation and combustion are not related! Combustion is the energetic combining of a fuel with an oxidizer; detonation is the breaking apart of a molecule. THAT MEANS high explosives do NOT carry their own oxidizers! The advantage of an FAE lies in the very high energy density of many fuels. Gasoline has more energy then TNT. Hard to believe, I know, but it's true. The difference is, TNT releases what energy it has waaaaay faster. So, can you make an FAE that's more powerful then the same amount of high explosives? No, the release rate greatly favors the high explosive, but the FAE could release significantly more energy (over a longer period of time) and do more damage to certain types of targets while doing so. So, can the FOAB concievably be more destructive then the MOAB? Sure, but it depends on the hardness of the target. Regardless, it's not more destructive then MOAB because the MOAB has to "carry its own oxidizers". Detonation is not combustion! Nwilde ( talk) 23:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes but the shockwave still propagates through the fuel cloud at supersonic velocities. The cloud will sustain the velocity of the wave used to initiate the combustion. The bomb isn't just spreading around some gas and lighting it on fire, its much more controlled and deadly than that - one might say it is a 'detonating cumbuston' as opposed to a 'deflagrating cumbustion.' -- Nebarnix ( talk) 23:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
It's hard to make comparisons to MOAB because the Russian device seems to be created only to showcase a better explosive (larger explosion for less weight), rather than to 1up America on an actual bomb. This is why the FOAB will not be entering production, the explosive used to make it will probably be copied over to RPG32 thermobaric warheads, Smerch thermobaric rockets etc 99.236.221.124 ( talk) 06:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
-they already produced 100 of these-- Crossswords ( talk) 07:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I am a little surprised that a bomb carrying 7000 kgf of explosives weighs only 7100 kgf. MOAB has 8500 kgf of explosive and weighs 10300 kgf. Greglocock ( talk) 22:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
The article simply says 'about seven tons' - which could well be taken to mean short tons (about 6,300kg) which would sound roughly correct. Jellyfish dave ( talk) 13:57, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
OR, much more likely, its just a BS claim, why would the Russians be using short tons, which is an American Imperial measurement? This whole little incident from 12 years ago is pretty farcical, just a bit of propaganda with no follow-up and no verification; no pictures of the bomb, bomber, etc. Just a picture of a bomber flying, a bomb falling (at distance) and an explosion (at distance) followed by a number of bold claims. LikkerdySplit ( talk) 02:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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According to the table, FOAB achieves twice the blast radius of MOAB with four times the TNT equivalent. This would not add up if both blasts were spherical, as the volume of displaced air scales roughly linearly with the amount of energy released. It may be possible to increase the blast radius on the ground by shaping the charges and the shell to produce a flatter fireball, ideally more like a "firedisk". Indeed, FOAB would have to succeed better than MOAB on this to achieve such a huge blast radius. This seems like a relevant aspect to sniff out some sources on.
Another possibility is that the blast radii are specified according to different criteria. The blast radius article is very thin, hinting that the concept may not be well-defined.
A third possibility is that some of the specifications are mere propaganda. Elias ( talk) 08:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy in wikipedia. This article says: He questions if it was what some experts call a fuel-air explosive or if it was a thermobaric weapon. "Fuel-air and thermobaric bombs differ in usefulness".
Wikipedia say that fuel-air is the most common thermobaric. Can someone verify what was actually written in the source? Either this article or "
Thermobaric weapon" must be fixed. -
Altenmann
>talk
21:07, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
That author and the source do not add any clarity- sorry, I was not sufficiently clear. I was asking about the source cited in our article. And cannot fix the quotation (if possible), because the source in Wired requires subscription. - Altenmann >talk 20:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)