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Wondering if it's worth having a section about this group which works against the far-right? This is an interview with them and this is their website. Alternatively, they may be a good source of information? (I don't have time to read properly or investigate further just now). Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 00:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm currently working on creating a sidebar for every major ideological grouping of political beliefs in Australia (Liberalism, conservatism, socialism, far-right), which outlines current and historical organisations as well influential people and literature. These sidebars are used in American and Canadian politics pages, and it has been relatively overlooked in Australia. I've got a template in progress at User:Catiline52/Template:Far-right politics in Australia, any feedback or contributions would be appreciated. Not sure if there's a more relevant page to talk about this on. Catiline52 ( talk) 01:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
I think that PHON bares mentioning on this page, in context. Former PHON members have gone on to become prominent far-right figures, leaving PHON out altogether obfuscates the significant role that PHON has played in the rise of far-right parties and figures and the development of their respective ideologies. Bacondrum ( talk) 00:43, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Academic:
News:
That's a pretty firm consensus in reliable sources. Bacondrum ( talk) 05:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I personally think Hanson and PHON are firmly on the far-right and have played a major role in the rise of far-right politics in this country. There's heaps of reliable sources that claim as much (more than I actually expected) So I'm wondering what other editors think? So, Hanson and PHON...are they far-right? Bacondrum ( talk) 10:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey guys! I’d just like you to know I’ve made a related article, Draft:List of hate groups in Australia and New Zealand. If you guys wanted to help edit it, you can. I used this page for a lot of the info and this is the most work I’ve ever done on a Wikipedia article. It is being submitted for review and hopefully it will get to Wikipedia. ( 60.229.148.166 (talk)) 4:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
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I think I've got to the end of
Far-right terrorism in Australia, and would like to see other editors review and work on both this article and the new one in the light of the differentiated titles. I felt that a new article was necessary in the light of recentish terrorist plots and convictions, ASIO listing its first far-right proscribed organisation, and with far-right groups and individuals occupying 40% of their caseload, etc., and also to differentiate "extremist, with potential for violence and/or terrorism"-type groups and individuals from relatively mainstream far-right politics (PHON), Love Australia or Leave and whatever other groups there are that don't qualify for the description. I'm sure I've missed things, although I must say learnt about quite a few groups and movements of which I knew little or nothing, hence went off on long sidetracks along the way...
Also, wondering if it's worth separating the "21st-century groups" list into Current/Active and Defunct? A lot of them seem to have only had a short life and are now gone or morphed into other groups.
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 12:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I just had another quick skim, but think I need to go and do other things for a while and come back to it with fresh eyes. Me too, mixed feelings - but if the information provided is factual and leads to good sources, then we are informing people about the true nature of some of these groups, and if there is a minority who revel in any mention, so be it. If it's been covered in reputable secondary sources, then it deserves its place in Wikipedia. I know there is wp:undue, but it's hard to apply to named entities, when it seems warranted to include some info about them at least. I see a couple of problems with too many further subdivisions: the difficulty of categorising which groups fit which heading, and also that the headings get very small and the TOC even longer... Perhaps start with the "Political parties" / "Other groups" split and then review again? Anyway - as I say, I need a break from all this and will come back later. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 01:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Why are the far-right groups referred to as generally espousing Judeo-Christian beliefs in the introduction when many (dare I say most) are anti-Semitic?
129.93.161.223 ( talk) 03:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Following up on this, the term (when used incorrectly) can be harmful and there is an entire section of `Judeo-Christian`'s Wikipedia page dedicated to the controversial usage in politics and Christian supersessionism. Since this is not a quote and instead stated as a fact, it should not be present. If someone could point to (and prove) the Jewish values presented by far-right movements in Australia, this would be a non-issue.
2603:80A0:1640:1B6:9DA7:62D1:F960:DBD9 ( talk) 21:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
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Wondering if it's worth having a section about this group which works against the far-right? This is an interview with them and this is their website. Alternatively, they may be a good source of information? (I don't have time to read properly or investigate further just now). Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 00:24, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm currently working on creating a sidebar for every major ideological grouping of political beliefs in Australia (Liberalism, conservatism, socialism, far-right), which outlines current and historical organisations as well influential people and literature. These sidebars are used in American and Canadian politics pages, and it has been relatively overlooked in Australia. I've got a template in progress at User:Catiline52/Template:Far-right politics in Australia, any feedback or contributions would be appreciated. Not sure if there's a more relevant page to talk about this on. Catiline52 ( talk) 01:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
I think that PHON bares mentioning on this page, in context. Former PHON members have gone on to become prominent far-right figures, leaving PHON out altogether obfuscates the significant role that PHON has played in the rise of far-right parties and figures and the development of their respective ideologies. Bacondrum ( talk) 00:43, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Academic:
News:
That's a pretty firm consensus in reliable sources. Bacondrum ( talk) 05:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I personally think Hanson and PHON are firmly on the far-right and have played a major role in the rise of far-right politics in this country. There's heaps of reliable sources that claim as much (more than I actually expected) So I'm wondering what other editors think? So, Hanson and PHON...are they far-right? Bacondrum ( talk) 10:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey guys! I’d just like you to know I’ve made a related article, Draft:List of hate groups in Australia and New Zealand. If you guys wanted to help edit it, you can. I used this page for a lot of the info and this is the most work I’ve ever done on a Wikipedia article. It is being submitted for review and hopefully it will get to Wikipedia. ( 60.229.148.166 (talk)) 4:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
References
I think I've got to the end of
Far-right terrorism in Australia, and would like to see other editors review and work on both this article and the new one in the light of the differentiated titles. I felt that a new article was necessary in the light of recentish terrorist plots and convictions, ASIO listing its first far-right proscribed organisation, and with far-right groups and individuals occupying 40% of their caseload, etc., and also to differentiate "extremist, with potential for violence and/or terrorism"-type groups and individuals from relatively mainstream far-right politics (PHON), Love Australia or Leave and whatever other groups there are that don't qualify for the description. I'm sure I've missed things, although I must say learnt about quite a few groups and movements of which I knew little or nothing, hence went off on long sidetracks along the way...
Also, wondering if it's worth separating the "21st-century groups" list into Current/Active and Defunct? A lot of them seem to have only had a short life and are now gone or morphed into other groups.
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 12:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I just had another quick skim, but think I need to go and do other things for a while and come back to it with fresh eyes. Me too, mixed feelings - but if the information provided is factual and leads to good sources, then we are informing people about the true nature of some of these groups, and if there is a minority who revel in any mention, so be it. If it's been covered in reputable secondary sources, then it deserves its place in Wikipedia. I know there is wp:undue, but it's hard to apply to named entities, when it seems warranted to include some info about them at least. I see a couple of problems with too many further subdivisions: the difficulty of categorising which groups fit which heading, and also that the headings get very small and the TOC even longer... Perhaps start with the "Political parties" / "Other groups" split and then review again? Anyway - as I say, I need a break from all this and will come back later. Laterthanyouthink ( talk) 01:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Why are the far-right groups referred to as generally espousing Judeo-Christian beliefs in the introduction when many (dare I say most) are anti-Semitic?
129.93.161.223 ( talk) 03:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Following up on this, the term (when used incorrectly) can be harmful and there is an entire section of `Judeo-Christian`'s Wikipedia page dedicated to the controversial usage in politics and Christian supersessionism. Since this is not a quote and instead stated as a fact, it should not be present. If someone could point to (and prove) the Jewish values presented by far-right movements in Australia, this would be a non-issue.
2603:80A0:1640:1B6:9DA7:62D1:F960:DBD9 ( talk) 21:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)