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I think one of the "not to be confused with" banners should be placed at the top of the article. When I google search for sources I have to use the following qualifiers to get relevant sources:
So perhaps a "Not to be confused with fantasy football / fantasy sports" would be appropriate. I've never made one of those before though so if someone else is willing to do it I'd appreciate it. If not I'll look into it eventually. TipsyElephant ( talk) 16:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
I want to be clear on the talk page. Fantasy podcast is not synonymous with scripted podcast, fantasy podcast is not a subcategory of scripted podcast, and scripted podcast is not a subcategory of fantasy podcast. Some fantasy podcasts are scripted and some scripted podcasts are fantasy, but they are not the same. At least 11 of the 22 podcasts mentioned in the article are clearly not scripted and are clearly not some kind of audio drama. 7 of the ones that are scripted are all mentioned by a single source and at least 2 of the scripted podcasts are mentioned by questionable sources (A medium post and a post by "High Tech Deck"). So clearly fantasy podcasts don't have to be scripted, but if we want to discuss what the sources support the evidence is even more overwhelmingly against the claim that fantasy podcasts are scripted podcasts. Only a single source out of all twenty sources even use the word scripted. The LifeHacker source that mentions the word "scripted" says:
That's not a very convincing source for claiming that all fantasy podcasts are scripted podcasts. The only other source that could potentially be cited is the Vox source that says "The world of fiction podcasts, often referred to as audio dramas, has expanded in recent years to provide a wealth of ear-tingling stories." which might suggest that all "Fiction podcasts" are "Audio dramas" or simply that people refer to a large subset of "Fiction podcasts" as "Audio dramas". However, nothing in any of the sources suggests that "Fiction podcast" is synonymous with "Fantasy podcast" and even if they are there isn't a single source that suggests an "Audio drama" is synonymous with a "Scripted podcast". That's a lot of jumps and it's contradictory or unsupported by every other source being used. If someone wants to make the claim that all "Fantasy podcasts" are "Scripted podcasts" or "Audio drama podcasts" I'd like it to be supported by at least one reliable source that clearly states it. Otherwise it should be left vague. Besides, making that claim causes the article to lose any semblance of coherency. You can't claim all fantasy podcasts are scripted podcasts and then provide ten examples of non-scripted podcasts that apparently are somehow scripted. That makes no sense. Also, I don't understand why a word or phrase that's practically never used in the sources should ever be put in the article as the defining name or feature of the genre. TipsyElephant ( talk) 01:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
If someone does provide sources for the claim they should explicitly use the phrases that are relevant. For instance, if the source does not contain any reference to the phrase "Fantasy podcast" and also a reference to the phrase "Scripted podcast" than I don't see how it supports the claim. TipsyElephant ( talk) 01:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I think it's also worth mentioning that the non-scripted/non-audio drama podcasts appear to be significantly more notable. For instance, only one out of the six fantasy podcasts that already have a separate wikipedia article is scripted. Similarly, most of the scripted podcast examples are mentioned in listicles or briefly mentioned in articles about something else. Whereas The Adventure Zone, Critical Role, Hello From The Magic Tavern, and Clarkesworld Magazine all have at least one full news article dedicated to them. TipsyElephant ( talk) 03:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I thought about this a little more. Wouldn't a claim that a "Scripted podcast" is equivelant to a "Fantasy podcast" need to be written in such a way that the person making the claim is mentioned and a balance of opinions be present? For instance, "According to so-and-so, scripted podcasts are fantasy podcasts. However, here are ten examples that contradict that opinion" TipsyElephant ( talk) 03:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Part of the problem is that this article is lumping together fiction-based, non-fiction, and collaborative story-telling podcasts that involve fantasy themes under the single grouping "fantasy podcasts" and trying to say "fantasy podcast" equals a single thing. Is the defining characteristic that they are podcasts that involve/discuss fantasy themes? If so start with that, then subdivide the article into commentary/review podcasts, fiction podcasts (scripted, audio book, or whatever), and live-play/collaborative-storytelling podcasts, or whatever other subcategories make sense. Carter ( talk) 03:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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I think one of the "not to be confused with" banners should be placed at the top of the article. When I google search for sources I have to use the following qualifiers to get relevant sources:
So perhaps a "Not to be confused with fantasy football / fantasy sports" would be appropriate. I've never made one of those before though so if someone else is willing to do it I'd appreciate it. If not I'll look into it eventually. TipsyElephant ( talk) 16:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
I want to be clear on the talk page. Fantasy podcast is not synonymous with scripted podcast, fantasy podcast is not a subcategory of scripted podcast, and scripted podcast is not a subcategory of fantasy podcast. Some fantasy podcasts are scripted and some scripted podcasts are fantasy, but they are not the same. At least 11 of the 22 podcasts mentioned in the article are clearly not scripted and are clearly not some kind of audio drama. 7 of the ones that are scripted are all mentioned by a single source and at least 2 of the scripted podcasts are mentioned by questionable sources (A medium post and a post by "High Tech Deck"). So clearly fantasy podcasts don't have to be scripted, but if we want to discuss what the sources support the evidence is even more overwhelmingly against the claim that fantasy podcasts are scripted podcasts. Only a single source out of all twenty sources even use the word scripted. The LifeHacker source that mentions the word "scripted" says:
That's not a very convincing source for claiming that all fantasy podcasts are scripted podcasts. The only other source that could potentially be cited is the Vox source that says "The world of fiction podcasts, often referred to as audio dramas, has expanded in recent years to provide a wealth of ear-tingling stories." which might suggest that all "Fiction podcasts" are "Audio dramas" or simply that people refer to a large subset of "Fiction podcasts" as "Audio dramas". However, nothing in any of the sources suggests that "Fiction podcast" is synonymous with "Fantasy podcast" and even if they are there isn't a single source that suggests an "Audio drama" is synonymous with a "Scripted podcast". That's a lot of jumps and it's contradictory or unsupported by every other source being used. If someone wants to make the claim that all "Fantasy podcasts" are "Scripted podcasts" or "Audio drama podcasts" I'd like it to be supported by at least one reliable source that clearly states it. Otherwise it should be left vague. Besides, making that claim causes the article to lose any semblance of coherency. You can't claim all fantasy podcasts are scripted podcasts and then provide ten examples of non-scripted podcasts that apparently are somehow scripted. That makes no sense. Also, I don't understand why a word or phrase that's practically never used in the sources should ever be put in the article as the defining name or feature of the genre. TipsyElephant ( talk) 01:50, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
If someone does provide sources for the claim they should explicitly use the phrases that are relevant. For instance, if the source does not contain any reference to the phrase "Fantasy podcast" and also a reference to the phrase "Scripted podcast" than I don't see how it supports the claim. TipsyElephant ( talk) 01:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I think it's also worth mentioning that the non-scripted/non-audio drama podcasts appear to be significantly more notable. For instance, only one out of the six fantasy podcasts that already have a separate wikipedia article is scripted. Similarly, most of the scripted podcast examples are mentioned in listicles or briefly mentioned in articles about something else. Whereas The Adventure Zone, Critical Role, Hello From The Magic Tavern, and Clarkesworld Magazine all have at least one full news article dedicated to them. TipsyElephant ( talk) 03:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I thought about this a little more. Wouldn't a claim that a "Scripted podcast" is equivelant to a "Fantasy podcast" need to be written in such a way that the person making the claim is mentioned and a balance of opinions be present? For instance, "According to so-and-so, scripted podcasts are fantasy podcasts. However, here are ten examples that contradict that opinion" TipsyElephant ( talk) 03:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Part of the problem is that this article is lumping together fiction-based, non-fiction, and collaborative story-telling podcasts that involve fantasy themes under the single grouping "fantasy podcasts" and trying to say "fantasy podcast" equals a single thing. Is the defining characteristic that they are podcasts that involve/discuss fantasy themes? If so start with that, then subdivide the article into commentary/review podcasts, fiction podcasts (scripted, audio book, or whatever), and live-play/collaborative-storytelling podcasts, or whatever other subcategories make sense. Carter ( talk) 03:31, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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