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By my reading, one of four examples actually meets the definition given by the article. Either the definition's wrong, or the examples are. 137.195.54.217 ( talk) 16:09, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree. the section should be changed. 142.22.115.48 ( talk) 19:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The “Palestine archipelago” map no longer shows up at Strange Maps; here is a good instance of it. — Tamfang ( talk) 00:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Text and references copied from Fantasy map to List of fictional counties, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 15:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I changed the article title from Fantasy map to Fantasy cartography to better reflect the recent broadening of the article's scope. -- Twomatters ( talk) 07:30, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi AnonMoos, Thanks for the thoughts.
The Oxford dictionary defines ‘cartography’ as “the science or practice of drawing maps.” This to me sounds like cartography encompasses (pardon the pun) both academic and non-academic facets.
Also if you check out the general cartography article, that also includes plenty of non-academic elements.
Based on the definition and the general cartography wiki page, the inclusion of the word “cartography” in the title seems to me to fit the scope of the article as it currently is.
I would also argue that the topic of fantasy maps and map-making has become substantially more academic in the last 20 years. There are several academic journals of geography, cartography and cartographic information that have published articles on the topic. I have recently cited several of them in the article.
These are some of my reasons I’m still satisfied with the updated title. I’m definitely open to being convinced it’s not right, I’m just not there yet!
Happy to keep talking about this. Twomatters ( talk) 13:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Also AnonMoos, In the cartography lead section, it explains that only 1 of the 5 fundamental objectives of traditional cartography is concerned with map projections. Twomatters ( talk) 13:42, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's a section for suggestions about the short description. Short description helper -- Twomatters ( talk) 00:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
The result was: rejected by
Szmenderowiecki (
talk)
05:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
5x expanded by Twomatters ( talk). Self-nominated at 00:53, 14 May 2022 (UTC).
Wonderdraft[9] and Inkarnate.[10]). Make sure there are no unreferenced paragraphs ( Fantasy cartography#Early history). If public domain content has been used then that could be mentioned using suitable templates (for example with reference to
In 1516... This map inspired artistic cartographers...) The section on "Types" and "Cartographic software" could do with some more referencing. Please note that if you think you have adequately referenced something I've pointed out or overlooked please do comment below.
How common is it for fantasy novels to contain at least one map? Of the two-hundred surveyed books, sixty-seven (34%) contained at least one map"would be better in prose format. The tables have been copied as they are.
The Central Part of The Province of Loreno, you could simply write "Part of Loreno". Also try to limit the duplicity in links as far as possible (for example 'Cold War' doesn't need to be linked in both hook and caption); however there are no hard and fast rules about this. Check out the DYK archives for lots of examples.
These fantasy maps have now been declassified....
- 12 academic journal articles - 10 books - 8 online magazine articles - 4 academic books - 3 blogs - 2 online reviews - 2 artist websites - 1 to oxford dictionary - 1 wiki
I'm unfamiliar with the acceptable ratio of academic to non-academic sources. Is there a wiki page on this? I appreciate you guys persisting with me and this article! Twomatters ( talk) 00:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I've been thinking... perhaps are more suitable article title is 'Speculative cartography' rather than 'Fantasy cartography' to match the expanded scope. My reason for this is that within the section 'Types', 'Genre' I've written about 'Fantasy' and 'Science fiction' as different genre-types of maps. But they both belong to the broader genre of speculative fiction. As it stands I feel like its like an article on ice-cream but its titled 'Gelato'. Thoughts? -- Twomatters ( talk) 23:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Looking at this page, I think it is possible to reorganize the sections to make things simpler.
I think that the "Type" section can be done away with and replaced with sections for "Genre," "Scope," and "Purpose." This would simplify the headings a bit. Under Genre, I think that the subgenre section can be done away with, and each set of subgenres moved under the respective genre. As there are only two, this would be simple.
Implementing these two suggestions would mean that there would be no third-order subheadings and would merge content from one subheading into two others.
For how genres look in the view, perhaps we could do something like the gallery of subbranches in the Geography page. GeogSage ( talk) 01:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Worth mentioning that the Zendia maps are in Esperanto? — Tamfang ( talk) 05:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
Are there any cyberpunk maps? —Tamfang ( talk) 18:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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By my reading, one of four examples actually meets the definition given by the article. Either the definition's wrong, or the examples are. 137.195.54.217 ( talk) 16:09, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree. the section should be changed. 142.22.115.48 ( talk) 19:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
The “Palestine archipelago” map no longer shows up at Strange Maps; here is a good instance of it. — Tamfang ( talk) 00:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Text and references copied from Fantasy map to List of fictional counties, See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 15:09, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I changed the article title from Fantasy map to Fantasy cartography to better reflect the recent broadening of the article's scope. -- Twomatters ( talk) 07:30, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi AnonMoos, Thanks for the thoughts.
The Oxford dictionary defines ‘cartography’ as “the science or practice of drawing maps.” This to me sounds like cartography encompasses (pardon the pun) both academic and non-academic facets.
Also if you check out the general cartography article, that also includes plenty of non-academic elements.
Based on the definition and the general cartography wiki page, the inclusion of the word “cartography” in the title seems to me to fit the scope of the article as it currently is.
I would also argue that the topic of fantasy maps and map-making has become substantially more academic in the last 20 years. There are several academic journals of geography, cartography and cartographic information that have published articles on the topic. I have recently cited several of them in the article.
These are some of my reasons I’m still satisfied with the updated title. I’m definitely open to being convinced it’s not right, I’m just not there yet!
Happy to keep talking about this. Twomatters ( talk) 13:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Also AnonMoos, In the cartography lead section, it explains that only 1 of the 5 fundamental objectives of traditional cartography is concerned with map projections. Twomatters ( talk) 13:42, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's a section for suggestions about the short description. Short description helper -- Twomatters ( talk) 00:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
The result was: rejected by
Szmenderowiecki (
talk)
05:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
5x expanded by Twomatters ( talk). Self-nominated at 00:53, 14 May 2022 (UTC).
Wonderdraft[9] and Inkarnate.[10]). Make sure there are no unreferenced paragraphs ( Fantasy cartography#Early history). If public domain content has been used then that could be mentioned using suitable templates (for example with reference to
In 1516... This map inspired artistic cartographers...) The section on "Types" and "Cartographic software" could do with some more referencing. Please note that if you think you have adequately referenced something I've pointed out or overlooked please do comment below.
How common is it for fantasy novels to contain at least one map? Of the two-hundred surveyed books, sixty-seven (34%) contained at least one map"would be better in prose format. The tables have been copied as they are.
The Central Part of The Province of Loreno, you could simply write "Part of Loreno". Also try to limit the duplicity in links as far as possible (for example 'Cold War' doesn't need to be linked in both hook and caption); however there are no hard and fast rules about this. Check out the DYK archives for lots of examples.
These fantasy maps have now been declassified....
- 12 academic journal articles - 10 books - 8 online magazine articles - 4 academic books - 3 blogs - 2 online reviews - 2 artist websites - 1 to oxford dictionary - 1 wiki
I'm unfamiliar with the acceptable ratio of academic to non-academic sources. Is there a wiki page on this? I appreciate you guys persisting with me and this article! Twomatters ( talk) 00:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
I've been thinking... perhaps are more suitable article title is 'Speculative cartography' rather than 'Fantasy cartography' to match the expanded scope. My reason for this is that within the section 'Types', 'Genre' I've written about 'Fantasy' and 'Science fiction' as different genre-types of maps. But they both belong to the broader genre of speculative fiction. As it stands I feel like its like an article on ice-cream but its titled 'Gelato'. Thoughts? -- Twomatters ( talk) 23:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Looking at this page, I think it is possible to reorganize the sections to make things simpler.
I think that the "Type" section can be done away with and replaced with sections for "Genre," "Scope," and "Purpose." This would simplify the headings a bit. Under Genre, I think that the subgenre section can be done away with, and each set of subgenres moved under the respective genre. As there are only two, this would be simple.
Implementing these two suggestions would mean that there would be no third-order subheadings and would merge content from one subheading into two others.
For how genres look in the view, perhaps we could do something like the gallery of subbranches in the Geography page. GeogSage ( talk) 01:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Worth mentioning that the Zendia maps are in Esperanto? — Tamfang ( talk) 05:02, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
Are there any cyberpunk maps? —Tamfang ( talk) 18:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)