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Please explain the reversion of my edits. You're edit summary mentioned only two things which could have easily been fixed without wiping out everything else. -- ErinHowarth 21:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
However, the year in which it may have occured is important, as well as the place it occured and the age of the participants, and the fact that she was living in the Smith home at the time the event is alleged to have happened. So this information needs to be worked back in.The undocumented wedding of Fanny and Joseph is suspected to have taken place in Kirtland, Ohio sometime in 1833 when she was sixteen years old and Joseph was 28. At that time, Fanny was living in the Smith home, perhaps helping Emma with house work and the children.
The following copied from User Talk:Trödel "Generally navigation templates like {{ LDS}} are only used on the pages that are links in the template itself, and, sometimes, other major articles. We generally don't include them on articles related to the topic which are not central. Thus I removed it from Fanny Alger, but left it on Kirtland --Trödel 02:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)"
A major restructuring proposal for all polygamy articles related to Mormonism has been made at Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr. and polygamy#Series and Restructuring proposal. Please visit and give your two cents. -- Descartes1979 ( talk) 04:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe that the statement at the beginning of the article, referring to Fanny Alger as the first plural wife of Joseph Smith, is misleading. This statement hints that their were more plural wives. Fanny Alger is actually the only known plural wife of Joseph Smith. I think that this should be cleared up in the article so as not to mislead people.-- Fizzos98 ( talk) 07:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Whatever one's view on Alger, she does not meet the notability guidelines as I had on the deleted (by Descartes1979) tag. She is notable only based on her relationship with a person of notability. Any secondary source material mentions only this relationship. She did not invent anything, did not hold any office (including church), and is in no other way notable. Even the article is based on a couple of questionable websites. Discuss then... Best, A Sniper ( talk) 07:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I disagree - First, there are reliable sources on this matter - I tried to add a couple of them in, though some of them elude me since I don't have copies of In Sacred Loneliness and Mormon Enigma. Second, I think that Fanny Alger has special relevance to the Latter Day Saint movement as Smith's first alleged plural wife. There are some historians that think it was because of Smith's extramarital affairs such as the one with Alger that caused him to come up with the polygamy revelation in the first place - to placate his wife Emma. Sure, Alger would be unknown if Smith had not married her - but then Monica Lewinsky would have been unknown if she had not had her special relationship with Bill Clinton. Also, the guide WP:NOTINHERITED is an essay, not an official guideline of the Wikipedia - and the fourth example in the essay on this point is actually an argument for inclusion of this article - that is to say the following statement is a fallacy: "Fanny Alger cannot be notable because it's Joseph Smith which is notable, and notability is not inherited." -- Descartes1979 ( talk) 07:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the mention of Orrison Smith as a son of Fanny Alger because I can't find him mentioned anywhere but in this Deseret News article, which I suspect may be an error. I'd be happy to learn differently if someone can enlighten me.-- John Foxe ( talk) 23:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I've been around Wikipedia for more than half its history, and I've never seen something as odd as what I've just witnessed. After I completely rewrote this article using reliable sources, A Sniper eliminated all my edits and restored the old, poorly sourced article. Then he got an AfD tag. If the article's going to go through the AfD process, the decision should be made on what's there instead of what used to be there.-- John Foxe ( talk) 09:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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Please explain the reversion of my edits. You're edit summary mentioned only two things which could have easily been fixed without wiping out everything else. -- ErinHowarth 21:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
However, the year in which it may have occured is important, as well as the place it occured and the age of the participants, and the fact that she was living in the Smith home at the time the event is alleged to have happened. So this information needs to be worked back in.The undocumented wedding of Fanny and Joseph is suspected to have taken place in Kirtland, Ohio sometime in 1833 when she was sixteen years old and Joseph was 28. At that time, Fanny was living in the Smith home, perhaps helping Emma with house work and the children.
The following copied from User Talk:Trödel "Generally navigation templates like {{ LDS}} are only used on the pages that are links in the template itself, and, sometimes, other major articles. We generally don't include them on articles related to the topic which are not central. Thus I removed it from Fanny Alger, but left it on Kirtland --Trödel 02:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)"
A major restructuring proposal for all polygamy articles related to Mormonism has been made at Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr. and polygamy#Series and Restructuring proposal. Please visit and give your two cents. -- Descartes1979 ( talk) 04:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe that the statement at the beginning of the article, referring to Fanny Alger as the first plural wife of Joseph Smith, is misleading. This statement hints that their were more plural wives. Fanny Alger is actually the only known plural wife of Joseph Smith. I think that this should be cleared up in the article so as not to mislead people.-- Fizzos98 ( talk) 07:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Whatever one's view on Alger, she does not meet the notability guidelines as I had on the deleted (by Descartes1979) tag. She is notable only based on her relationship with a person of notability. Any secondary source material mentions only this relationship. She did not invent anything, did not hold any office (including church), and is in no other way notable. Even the article is based on a couple of questionable websites. Discuss then... Best, A Sniper ( talk) 07:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I disagree - First, there are reliable sources on this matter - I tried to add a couple of them in, though some of them elude me since I don't have copies of In Sacred Loneliness and Mormon Enigma. Second, I think that Fanny Alger has special relevance to the Latter Day Saint movement as Smith's first alleged plural wife. There are some historians that think it was because of Smith's extramarital affairs such as the one with Alger that caused him to come up with the polygamy revelation in the first place - to placate his wife Emma. Sure, Alger would be unknown if Smith had not married her - but then Monica Lewinsky would have been unknown if she had not had her special relationship with Bill Clinton. Also, the guide WP:NOTINHERITED is an essay, not an official guideline of the Wikipedia - and the fourth example in the essay on this point is actually an argument for inclusion of this article - that is to say the following statement is a fallacy: "Fanny Alger cannot be notable because it's Joseph Smith which is notable, and notability is not inherited." -- Descartes1979 ( talk) 07:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the mention of Orrison Smith as a son of Fanny Alger because I can't find him mentioned anywhere but in this Deseret News article, which I suspect may be an error. I'd be happy to learn differently if someone can enlighten me.-- John Foxe ( talk) 23:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I've been around Wikipedia for more than half its history, and I've never seen something as odd as what I've just witnessed. After I completely rewrote this article using reliable sources, A Sniper eliminated all my edits and restored the old, poorly sourced article. Then he got an AfD tag. If the article's going to go through the AfD process, the decision should be made on what's there instead of what used to be there.-- John Foxe ( talk) 09:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)