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Currently the material on the relationship between Fani Willis and Nathan Wade takes up two paragraphs of the
Fani Willis#2020 election influence investigation subsection. Refer to
Special:Diff/1214511508 for current size of the section at time of writing this RfC.
Should the material on the relationship be trimmed so that it takes up no more than two sentences?
TarnishedPath
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12:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
While this page is tailored to deletion discussion, be that of articles, templates, images, categories, stub types, or redirects, these arguments to avoid may also apply to other discussions, such as about deleting article content, moving pages, etc.. Paris1127 ( talk) 21:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
"Editors should try to resolve their issues before starting an RfC. Try discussing the matter with any other parties on the related talk page. If you can reach a consensus or have your questions answered through discussion, then there is no need to start an RfC."Basically, someone posted a concern about the text being too long, and with absolutely no discussion an editor immediately changed the text, and an RfC was subsequently created. In addition, there's no related Wikipedia policy detailing a valid reason for shortening this information. The proposed reasons for limiting to two sentences - including WP:WEIGHT, WP:DUE, WP:UNDUE, WP:RECENTISM, and WP:BLP - were near-unanimously rejected in the previous RfC, so using them again for similar content is pointless. Mkstokes ( talk) 15:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I see the above section that nobody responded to a few days ago... shouldn't we have engaged in a discussion before this RfC? Shouldn't the RfC have a proposal for what text to change it to? I could see trimming as useful, but I don't think we can trim it to two sentences. We could cut A hearing under McAfee was convened to decide whether to remove Willis from the racketeering case
and lead the next sentence with After a hearing convened by McAfee,
to trim a little bit. –
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In January 2024, a past relationship between Willis and lead prosecutor Nathan Wade came to light which the defense argued constituted a conflict of interest. Judge McAfee did not find a conflict of interest under Georgia law but ruled that either Willis or Wade must leave the case to avoid the "appearance of impropriety".
During the trial it was revealed that Willis and lead prosecutor Nathan Wade had a prior personal relationship. Wade subsequently resigned from the case" TarnishedPath talk 00:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes, @ Muboshgu there should have been a detailed discussion before this RfC and a proposal for what text to change it to. The two suggestions in this discussion are inaccurate on the facts and obscure what really happened. I think the following details need to be provided:
In my opinion, these are the important details and thus make it clear why two sentences cannot possibly provide enough context to accurately describe the situation to a reader. The first suggestion above leaves out too much detail and the second one is inaccurate within the first 3 words (i.e., all of this happened pre-trial), provides zero details about the judge's findings, and glosses over the fact that Wade was forced to resign. Mkstokes ( talk) 16:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Based on the Survey responses so far, the two-sentence RfC is going to be rejected. Unfortunately, this RfC gives very little guidance regarding what should be posted as none of the suggested modifications include essential details of what happened. Therefore, I'm suggesting the following based on the cited articles:
On January 8, 2024, Michael Roman filed a pre-trial motion to dismiss the indictment and disqualify Fani Willis and her office from prosecuting the RICO case against him due to Willis having a financial conflict of interest related to her personal relationship with lead prosecutor Nathan Wade. On February 15, 2024, Judge Scott F. McAfee started an evidentiary hearing where he subsequently ruled on March 15, 2024, that either Willis - along with her office - or Wade must leave the case, because their relationship brought about a "significant appearance of impropriety." He also found no actual conflict of interest as there was insufficient evidence Willis had benefited financially. Based on the Judge's ruling, Nathan Wade resigned from the case a few hours later "...to move this case forward as quickly as possible."
That's 3 sentences with a healthy portion of the relevant details included. Honestly, several facts are missing and I had no problem with the extended paragraph. But in the spirit of gaining consensus I think this will work. Mkstokes ( talk) 00:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Since there was a consensus that this section can be trimmed, it was recommended that editors try to hash this out through the normal course of editing or start a new talk page section with concrete proposals for discussion. Here's my concrete proposal:
On January 8, 2024, Michael Roman filed a pre-trial motion to dismiss the indictment and disqualify Fani Willis and her office from prosecuting the RICO case against him due to Willis having a financial conflict of interest related to her personal relationship with lead prosecutor Nathan Wade. On February 15, 2024, Judge Scott F. McAfee started an evidentiary hearing where he subsequently ruled on March 15, 2024, that either Willis - along with her office - or Wade must leave the case, because their relationship brought about a "significant appearance of impropriety." He also found no actual conflict of interest as there was insufficient evidence Willis had benefited financially. Based on the Judge's ruling, Nathan Wade resigned from the case a few hours later "...to move this case forward as quickly as possible."
That's 3 sentences. Thoughts? Mkstokes ( talk) 15:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
1. The image of Fani Willis is oddly cropped, at a strange angle, and has a blurred background. Is there a better image we can use for this? A district attorney should have a recent, publicly available image online that we can use without fear of copyright.
2. The image of Fani Willis and Nikema Williams in the 2020 election influence investigation section is oddly placed. No mention in the article is made of how Fani Willis and Nikema Williams relate to one another, or why this image should be specifically placed within the 2020 election influence investigation section of the article itself. BootsED ( talk) 03:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Currently the material on the relationship between Fani Willis and Nathan Wade takes up two paragraphs of the
Fani Willis#2020 election influence investigation subsection. Refer to
Special:Diff/1214511508 for current size of the section at time of writing this RfC.
Should the material on the relationship be trimmed so that it takes up no more than two sentences?
TarnishedPath
talk
12:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
While this page is tailored to deletion discussion, be that of articles, templates, images, categories, stub types, or redirects, these arguments to avoid may also apply to other discussions, such as about deleting article content, moving pages, etc.. Paris1127 ( talk) 21:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
"Editors should try to resolve their issues before starting an RfC. Try discussing the matter with any other parties on the related talk page. If you can reach a consensus or have your questions answered through discussion, then there is no need to start an RfC."Basically, someone posted a concern about the text being too long, and with absolutely no discussion an editor immediately changed the text, and an RfC was subsequently created. In addition, there's no related Wikipedia policy detailing a valid reason for shortening this information. The proposed reasons for limiting to two sentences - including WP:WEIGHT, WP:DUE, WP:UNDUE, WP:RECENTISM, and WP:BLP - were near-unanimously rejected in the previous RfC, so using them again for similar content is pointless. Mkstokes ( talk) 15:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
I see the above section that nobody responded to a few days ago... shouldn't we have engaged in a discussion before this RfC? Shouldn't the RfC have a proposal for what text to change it to? I could see trimming as useful, but I don't think we can trim it to two sentences. We could cut A hearing under McAfee was convened to decide whether to remove Willis from the racketeering case
and lead the next sentence with After a hearing convened by McAfee,
to trim a little bit. –
Muboshgu (
talk)
16:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
In January 2024, a past relationship between Willis and lead prosecutor Nathan Wade came to light which the defense argued constituted a conflict of interest. Judge McAfee did not find a conflict of interest under Georgia law but ruled that either Willis or Wade must leave the case to avoid the "appearance of impropriety".
During the trial it was revealed that Willis and lead prosecutor Nathan Wade had a prior personal relationship. Wade subsequently resigned from the case" TarnishedPath talk 00:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes, @ Muboshgu there should have been a detailed discussion before this RfC and a proposal for what text to change it to. The two suggestions in this discussion are inaccurate on the facts and obscure what really happened. I think the following details need to be provided:
In my opinion, these are the important details and thus make it clear why two sentences cannot possibly provide enough context to accurately describe the situation to a reader. The first suggestion above leaves out too much detail and the second one is inaccurate within the first 3 words (i.e., all of this happened pre-trial), provides zero details about the judge's findings, and glosses over the fact that Wade was forced to resign. Mkstokes ( talk) 16:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Based on the Survey responses so far, the two-sentence RfC is going to be rejected. Unfortunately, this RfC gives very little guidance regarding what should be posted as none of the suggested modifications include essential details of what happened. Therefore, I'm suggesting the following based on the cited articles:
On January 8, 2024, Michael Roman filed a pre-trial motion to dismiss the indictment and disqualify Fani Willis and her office from prosecuting the RICO case against him due to Willis having a financial conflict of interest related to her personal relationship with lead prosecutor Nathan Wade. On February 15, 2024, Judge Scott F. McAfee started an evidentiary hearing where he subsequently ruled on March 15, 2024, that either Willis - along with her office - or Wade must leave the case, because their relationship brought about a "significant appearance of impropriety." He also found no actual conflict of interest as there was insufficient evidence Willis had benefited financially. Based on the Judge's ruling, Nathan Wade resigned from the case a few hours later "...to move this case forward as quickly as possible."
That's 3 sentences with a healthy portion of the relevant details included. Honestly, several facts are missing and I had no problem with the extended paragraph. But in the spirit of gaining consensus I think this will work. Mkstokes ( talk) 00:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Since there was a consensus that this section can be trimmed, it was recommended that editors try to hash this out through the normal course of editing or start a new talk page section with concrete proposals for discussion. Here's my concrete proposal:
On January 8, 2024, Michael Roman filed a pre-trial motion to dismiss the indictment and disqualify Fani Willis and her office from prosecuting the RICO case against him due to Willis having a financial conflict of interest related to her personal relationship with lead prosecutor Nathan Wade. On February 15, 2024, Judge Scott F. McAfee started an evidentiary hearing where he subsequently ruled on March 15, 2024, that either Willis - along with her office - or Wade must leave the case, because their relationship brought about a "significant appearance of impropriety." He also found no actual conflict of interest as there was insufficient evidence Willis had benefited financially. Based on the Judge's ruling, Nathan Wade resigned from the case a few hours later "...to move this case forward as quickly as possible."
That's 3 sentences. Thoughts? Mkstokes ( talk) 15:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
1. The image of Fani Willis is oddly cropped, at a strange angle, and has a blurred background. Is there a better image we can use for this? A district attorney should have a recent, publicly available image online that we can use without fear of copyright.
2. The image of Fani Willis and Nikema Williams in the 2020 election influence investigation section is oddly placed. No mention in the article is made of how Fani Willis and Nikema Williams relate to one another, or why this image should be specifically placed within the 2020 election influence investigation section of the article itself. BootsED ( talk) 03:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)