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To avoid an edit war I’m withholding from reverting edits by anonymous user 66.8.166.218, but would like to know why allegations of cheating documented on various sources with video and images supporting the allegations are not valid. Cheating is wrong and notable even if not penalized by officials; why not include this in the article? SenorValencia ( talk) 03:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
There is not a question of whether cheating is wrong. The issue is that the citations are poor. The articles cited (Daily Hive and news.com.au) reference Twitter and Reddit post for any allegations of cheating. Neither of which is a reliable source and under Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content both are noted as unacceptable sources. Hence my noting that no official nor expert has made any allegations. And the Canadian team did not appear to file any protest either. 66.8.166.218 ( talk) 19:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
You're missing the point. I did not discount either of the news outlets. Al-Jazeera doesn't need to reference Facebook to be able to see that Arab Spring protests were happening. Facebook was a tool used for coordination, not the only reference to the fact that the Arab Spring was happening. A random White House staffer could be argued in a position of knowledge and expertise. Comparatively, the only allegations made against Fan Kexin was through Twitter posts and Reddit posts. An accurate portrayal of the situation is saying "Anonymous Twitter and Reddit users have accused Fan Kexin of flicking a marker at her opponent". These being the only sources of controversy listed in all the citations makes them unreliable. Also, you have the ruling body wrong, Olympics body (IOC) does not make the rulings, the International Skating Union (ISU) makes the rulings. And your argument that Olypmic body rulings are more prone to bias than independent secondary sources in an era of fake news and misinformation is shocking to me. 66.8.166.218 ( talk) 23:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
You misrepresented my comments. I said "your argument that Olypmic body rulings are more prone to bias than independent secondary sources in an era of fake news and misinformation is shocking to me". I did not question the sources, I am surprised at your belief that independent news sources would have less bias given how many baised news sources there are. Let me add additional lines to what you have written:
You didn't include news.com.au, so let me add it.
In each article, the authors write the accusations were coming from Reddit and/or Twitter and then describe the action. These articles are only describing online accusations from Reddit and Twitter. Furthermore, to fully describe the action, it should be be mentioned that Canadian Florence Brunelle was penalized for an illegal inside pass that caused the entire sequence (NBC Olympics). 66.8.166.218 ( talk) 04:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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To avoid an edit war I’m withholding from reverting edits by anonymous user 66.8.166.218, but would like to know why allegations of cheating documented on various sources with video and images supporting the allegations are not valid. Cheating is wrong and notable even if not penalized by officials; why not include this in the article? SenorValencia ( talk) 03:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
There is not a question of whether cheating is wrong. The issue is that the citations are poor. The articles cited (Daily Hive and news.com.au) reference Twitter and Reddit post for any allegations of cheating. Neither of which is a reliable source and under Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content both are noted as unacceptable sources. Hence my noting that no official nor expert has made any allegations. And the Canadian team did not appear to file any protest either. 66.8.166.218 ( talk) 19:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
You're missing the point. I did not discount either of the news outlets. Al-Jazeera doesn't need to reference Facebook to be able to see that Arab Spring protests were happening. Facebook was a tool used for coordination, not the only reference to the fact that the Arab Spring was happening. A random White House staffer could be argued in a position of knowledge and expertise. Comparatively, the only allegations made against Fan Kexin was through Twitter posts and Reddit posts. An accurate portrayal of the situation is saying "Anonymous Twitter and Reddit users have accused Fan Kexin of flicking a marker at her opponent". These being the only sources of controversy listed in all the citations makes them unreliable. Also, you have the ruling body wrong, Olympics body (IOC) does not make the rulings, the International Skating Union (ISU) makes the rulings. And your argument that Olypmic body rulings are more prone to bias than independent secondary sources in an era of fake news and misinformation is shocking to me. 66.8.166.218 ( talk) 23:59, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
You misrepresented my comments. I said "your argument that Olypmic body rulings are more prone to bias than independent secondary sources in an era of fake news and misinformation is shocking to me". I did not question the sources, I am surprised at your belief that independent news sources would have less bias given how many baised news sources there are. Let me add additional lines to what you have written:
You didn't include news.com.au, so let me add it.
In each article, the authors write the accusations were coming from Reddit and/or Twitter and then describe the action. These articles are only describing online accusations from Reddit and Twitter. Furthermore, to fully describe the action, it should be be mentioned that Canadian Florence Brunelle was penalized for an illegal inside pass that caused the entire sequence (NBC Olympics). 66.8.166.218 ( talk) 04:37, 11 February 2022 (UTC)